Apple apologizes over Baby Shaker app

[AppleInsider]

Apple's App Store, often lambasted for being slow and excessively conservative in its approval process, is now apologizing for having approved a game where players kill babies by shaking them to death.

The Baby Shaker app was pulled two days after it was approved this Monday following a barrage of complaints that forced Apple to both take the app down and issue an apology, which was obtained by CNet News.com.

"This application was deeply offensive and should not have been approved for distribution on the App Store," the company said. " When we learned of this mistake, the app was removed immediately. We sincerely apologize for this mistake and thank our customers for bringing this to our attention."

Sikalosoft, the developer of the Baby Shaker game, was apparently also deluged with complaints, as it has stripped all mention of the title from its own website as well.

Apple has regularly delisted or refused new apps based on profanity, objectionable content, or in some cases, reasons related to licensing agreements or business protection, such as the NetShare tethering app for sharing mobile network access over WiFi to a computer.

That app was pulled even faster than Baby Shaker, then restored, then removed permanently, all due to contractual limitations with mobile carriers. Apple has since announced that iPhone 3.0 will incorporate native technology to perform tethering, but has noted that it still needs to work out details with the carriers who will have to supply the bandwidth to support that feature.

Other apps originally barred from the App Store as offensive include a cloud of farting apps which were later allowed back on the platform after developers complained that Apple's highbrow standards were causing more of a stink than the presence of a few less than classy titles.

Simply keeping up with the volume of new submissions is a tremendous task in itself; the App Store library has ballooned from 15,000 in January to over 35,000 apps just three months later. On top of that, Apple also has to account for taste, with some users and developers clamoring for no restrictions at all, while others demanding Apple police content. The company itself seeks to maintain a professional and sophisticated library of software content for the iPhone, in part to court the attention of corporations and business users.

A successful game of Baby Shake | (Screenshot by Tom Krazit/CNET)

Determining where to draw the line is a difficult business. At the company's annual shareholder meeting this spring, one conservative group sent a representative to voice outrage over the availability of TV programming in iTunes that they found objectionable, despite the fact that the shows they complained about are publicly broadcast over the air in the US, that their production has nothing to do with Apple, and that Apple provides parental controls in its products to allow families to limit what content their children access.

Apple currently does not badge App Store titles using standardized ratings like those used for video games, TV or movies, nor does it mark app content as explicit as it does with music and podcasts, both of which are designated as such by their producers, not by Apple.

Adding a rating system for mobile apps, even a voluntary one where developers set their own audience rating, could pacify the concerns of both conservative groups and those who want to sell adult content to a specialized audience.

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[CU10]

Acceptance process let this one through...

[wobegon]

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Apple currently does not badge App Store titles using standardized ratings like those used for video games, TV or movies, nor does it mark app content as explicit as it does with music and podcasts, both of which are designated as such by their producers, not by Apple.

They don't?


and


Note the age ratings on both, and the description of mature content in the hunting title.

[Virgil-TB2]

Originally Posted by CU10

Acceptance process let this one through...

I don't know, I think people are making entirely too much out of this incident. Especially given that all we have is a general description of the app, and none of the people damning it have ever played it or seen it.

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

At the risk of using the classic "old-timer" phrase ... it never hurt me or anyone I ever heard of.

We can't laugh at this sort of thing anymore, but we have wall to wall disgusting porn available to every six year old through the internet? This is "too shocking" yet we are (at least 30 or 40 percent of us) okay with raping and torturing our enemies in wartime?

Sometimes it seems like the world is topsy-turvy. We are so PC we can't make an inappropriate joke, but at the same time pretty much anything goes as long as you keep it nominally hidden or don't talk about it too much? That's just dishonest. I think censorship is always wrong unless there is an actual material harm that can be identified. This is not that. It's a stupid game like the folks at National Lampoon would have wrote if they could write iPhone games back then.

It's not Apple's job to protect us from boobies and bad jokes.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by wobegon

They don't?

image: http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...f/Picture9.png
and
image: http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...f/Picture8.png

Note the age ratings on both, and the description of mature content in the hunting title.

The article does state that they don't use "standardized' ratings, not that there are no ratings at all.

Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

You can't call it "black humour" anymore you racist.

[Hattig]

Ugh, what am I going to do with my game? Spent so long on "British Nanny", then this comes along and takes the wind from under my sails! :-(

Oh I know, I'll replace the babies with terrorists and all will be good.

[SpamSandwich]

This "game" isn't even worth the effort. More important is the fact that 1 billion apps have already been downloaded and that hasn't been acknowledged here yet. Why the delay?

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by Hattig

Oh I know, I'll replace the babies with terrorists and all will be good.

A sniper game against Somalian pirates might work right now.

Originally Posted by SpamSandwich

More important is the fact that 1 billion apps have already been downloaded and that hasn't been acknowledged here yet. Why the delay?

Probably waiting for the results of the winners and billionth app, otherwise it's just a boring title and time frame. It this were a blog site it would be enough for a posting.

[Clive At Five]

Originally Posted by solipsism

Probably waiting for the results of the winners and billionth app, otherwise it's just a boring title and time frame. It this were a blog site it would be enough for a posting.

The billionth app was "Baby Shaker," purchased by Steve Jobs.

[monstrosity]

Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2

I don't know, I think people are making entirely too much out of this incident. Especially given that all we have is a general description of the app, and none of the people damning it have ever played it or seen it.

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

At the risk of using the classic "old-timer" phrase ... it never hurt me or anyone I ever heard of.

We can't laugh at this sort of thing anymore, but we have wall to wall disgusting porn available to every six year old through the internet? This is "too shocking" yet we are (at least 30 or 40 percent of us) okay with raping and torturing our enemies in wartime?

Sometimes it seems like the world is topsy-turvy. We are so PC we can't make an inappropriate joke, but at the same time pretty much anything goes as long as you keep it nominally hidden or don't talk about it too much? That's just dishonest. I think censorship is always wrong unless there is an actual material harm that can be identified. This is not that. It's a stupid game like the folks at National Lampoon would have wrote if they could write iPhone games back then.

It's not Apple's job to protect us from boobies and bad jokes.

Totally agree

[Quadra 610]

So it was removed.

Ok, good.

Moving right along, then . . .

[Psych_guy]

Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2

I don't know, I think people are making entirely too much out of this incident. Especially given that all we have is a general description of the app, and none of the people damning it have ever played it or seen it.

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

At the risk of using the classic "old-timer" phrase ... it never hurt me or anyone I ever heard of.

We can't laugh at this sort of thing anymore, but we have wall to wall disgusting porn available to every six year old through the internet? This is "too shocking" yet we are (at least 30 or 40 percent of us) okay with raping and torturing our enemies in wartime?

Sometimes it seems like the world is topsy-turvy. We are so PC we can't make an inappropriate joke, but at the same time pretty much anything goes as long as you keep it nominally hidden or don't talk about it too much? That's just dishonest. I think censorship is always wrong unless there is an actual material harm that can be identified. This is not that. It's a stupid game like the folks at National Lampoon would have wrote if they could write iPhone games back then.

It's not Apple's job to protect us from boobies and bad jokes.

It's a matter of perspective and relative maturity. My 23 year old nephew thought it was hilarious and wanted to buy it, but I'm an MFT, and personally I don't find it all that funny. Just because standards and mores were more open in some senses, 20, 30 or 40 years ago, doesn't mean it could be or should be acceptable today. The public's opinion changes in light of some deviant behavior, this reaction and Apple's decision to pull the app is evidence of that. I believe you are mourning a more open time.

[deanbonkovich]

Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2

I don't know, I think people are making entirely too much out of this incident. Especially given that all we have is a general description of the app, and none of the people damning it have ever played it or seen it.

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

At the risk of using the classic "old-timer" phrase ... it never hurt me or anyone I ever heard of.

We can't laugh at this sort of thing anymore, but we have wall to wall disgusting porn available to every six year old through the internet? This is "too shocking" yet we are (at least 30 or 40 percent of us) okay with raping and torturing our enemies in wartime?

Sometimes it seems like the world is topsy-turvy. We are so PC we can't make an inappropriate joke, but at the same time pretty much anything goes as long as you keep it nominally hidden or don't talk about it too much? That's just dishonest. I think censorship is always wrong unless there is an actual material harm that can be identified. This is not that. It's a stupid game like the folks at National Lampoon would have wrote if they could write iPhone games back then.

It's not Apple's job to protect us from boobies and bad jokes.

Are you really that #$*&)!^ naive? It's a game where you shake babies to death? Is shaking a baby to death just a game to you? Or maybe your a sick and evil little f*#$&r like the developer of the game?

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by deanbonkovich

Is shaking a baby to death just a game to you?

A game shaking babies to death is still just a game, just as a game shooting people is still just a game, yet they are plentiful in all forms of gaming. That is not to say that the app is good choice for the App Store or any other store, but he did make it clear that we are making too much out of it and I think your post, complete with faux-expletives, reinforces his point.

[Trajectory]

Those life-loving conservatives would only be satisfied if you replaced the babies with gay people. Plus more gore and blood.

[carloblackmore]

This needs to go way beyond a pitiful badge of small text.
A lot of people think this is getting out of hand, my friends and I even decided to start a Facebook group against this type of thing.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=73370240971

Everyone should speak up. At some point Apple needs to take a stronger stand in the name of Corporate Social Responsibility. Ever heard of that Mr. Steve Jobs?? Look it up!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...responsibility
It's time to stop hiding behind the concern of censorship or objectivity when it gets to this point.

I appreciate that it may be hard to figure out where the line should be drawn - so what - boo hoo - that's what meetings and technology are for. That's what lawyers get paid big bucks for. So sit in a room for as long as it takes, put some of that famous genius of yours to work and figure it out.

[wobegon]

Originally Posted by solipsism

The article does state that they don't use "standardized' ratings, not that there are no ratings at all.

How are the app age/content ratings currently used on the App Store not "standardized"? What constitutes as "standardized"?

[Fast Fred 1]

Originally Posted by Trajectory

Those life-loving conservatives would only be satisfied if you replaced the babies with gay people. Plus more gore and blood.

Nawww, Gay people are always stirred never shaken.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by carloblackmore

This needs to go way beyond a pitiful badge of small text.
A lot of people think this going too far, my friends and I decided to start a Facebook group for this type of thing.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=73370240971

Everyone should speak up. At some point Apple needs to take a stronger stand in the name of Corporate Social Responsibility. Ever heard of that Mr. Jobs?? Look it up!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...responsibility
It's time to stop hiding behind a lame concept such as censorship or objectivity when it gets to this point.

I appreciate that it may be hard to figure out where the line should be drawn - so what - boo hoo - that's what technology is for. That's what lawyers get paid big bucks for. So sit in a room for as long as it takes, put some of that famous genius of yours to work and figure it out.

1) Creating a Facebook group to get Apple to do something is less effective than if you picketed Redmond, WA to get Apple's attention... and it's just lame to begin with.

2) Apple understand CSR and does quite a bit toward it, though perhaps in the name of. The removal of and lack of approval for questionable apps is proof of that.

3) I'm sure Apple will institute a unified ratings level at some point, but remember that the App Store only launched 9 months ago. I don't think Apple had any idea of how successful it would be. I know such groups exist to state problems without actually conceiving of resolutions so I'll give you a couple questions about the logistics: Who monitors the ratings? If the developer then the whole thing is pointless. If it's Apple then there is a very large, expensive team that needs to be made to monitor the 35k+ apps from start to finish, including each update, to make sure there is no language, images, audio, or general unpleasantly that someone could find offensive. Then they need to figure out what the rating levels and types will be. One family might be okay with first person shooters of people but not of wild game, and vice versa. That two types of families do exist. Then there is religious slander and sex and all sorts of things inbetween that isn't easily labeled. Does Apple just slap a good/bad rating like the RIAA's explicit content sticker or go with some silly generalizations about content like the MPAA has.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by wobegon

How are the app age/content ratings currently used on the App Store not "standardized"? What constitutes as "standardized"?

What Apple does to its store is the standard, and if they change it tomorrow that is the new standard from a certain PoV, but I don't think that is what was meant by the article. I think they meant like how video games are given standard ratings.

[halfyearsun]

The worst part in my mind is that the app isn't clever in the slightest. It's poorly produced and the developer put no effort into it whatsoever.

the biggest reason why it's indefensible is because it is poorly done. just because it's black humor doesn't automatically make it funny. black humor for the sake of black humor is just crass.

[jmadlena]

Those life-loving conservatives would only be satisfied if you replaced the babies with gay people. Plus more gore and blood.

You only show your own intolerance when you jump to conclusions without any evidence. Nice.

Though your use of "life-loving" sounds sarcastic, so I don't know what your angle is...

[Spiffy1]

Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2

I don't know, I think people are making entirely too much out of this incident. Especially given that all we have is a general description of the app, and none of the people damning it have ever played it or seen it.

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

At the risk of using the classic "old-timer" phrase ... it never hurt me or anyone I ever heard of.

We can't laugh at this sort of thing anymore, but we have wall to wall disgusting porn available to every six year old through the internet? This is "too shocking" yet we are (at least 30 or 40 percent of us) okay with raping and torturing our enemies in wartime?

Sometimes it seems like the world is topsy-turvy. We are so PC we can't make an inappropriate joke, but at the same time pretty much anything goes as long as you keep it nominally hidden or don't talk about it too much? That's just dishonest. I think censorship is always wrong unless there is an actual material harm that can be identified. This is not that. It's a stupid game like the folks at National Lampoon would have wrote if they could write iPhone games back then.

It's not Apple's job to protect us from boobies and bad jokes.

###
Having seen the effects of abuse, like a 20-day old baby come into the ED with its skull crushed and then dying shortly thereafter, a year old with severely burned feet after being dipped in a "hot bath", or a 4 year old with the mark of a hot clothes iron on her back, and many other incidents, I have to say that Apple did the right, if belated thing in pulling this app. Some topics are just not funny, at least if you have any sense of what is right and wrong, or what is in poor taste, or just plain disgusting. You can blather on and wax poetic for the days-of-yor, when men where men, women couldn't vote, and "coloreds" knew their place, but ultimately you are full of shit.

[lightstriker]

shaking babies are not as fun as jiggling boobs on the iPhone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuQ9...om=PL&index=27

[Takeo]

Originally Posted by Trajectory

Those life-loving conservatives would only be satisfied if you replaced the babies with gay people. Plus more gore and blood.

Whatever. I'm as liberal as they come and I found this highly offensive. There is such a thing as right and wrong. The baby shaker game is just stupid and repulsive. Not funny.

[teckstud]

I want a "kick the dog in the nuts App" - keep them from pissing on my steps in NYC.

[teckstud]

Originally Posted by lightstriker

shaking babies are not as fun as jiggling boobs on the iPhone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuQ9...om=PL&index=27

Plastic Fantastic!!

[EdipisReks]

Originally Posted by Takeo

Whatever. I'm as liberal as they come and I found this highly offensive. There is such a thing as right and wrong. The baby shaker game is just stupid and repulsive. Not funny.

just goes to show that there are sanctimonious pricks across the political spectrum.

[razorpit]

Originally Posted by Trajectory

Those life-loving conservatives would only be satisfied if you replaced the babies with gay people. Plus more gore and blood.

If it were a game about killing gays the creator would have been thrown in jail by now for a hate crime.

I may be wrong but I don't think there are many "liberals" out there who would think shaking babies to death would be considered a fun game. That's just bad stuff man. Hopefully some day when you become a parent you'll see things a little differently.

[dequardo]

People defending this horrid app make me sick.

[iLad]

seriously! If people want to buy an App were they shake babies to death then that's their prerogative as long as they don't hurt real babies. There are lots of games and movies out there with far worse horrific imagery. This is the USA , a democratic nation where people supposedly have have freedoms (if not then what the hell are we fighting for in the mid-east). Who the hell has any right to tell others what they can and can not do as long as they break no laws. Pulling this app is as unamerican as it gets. You don't have to like it, but you can't dictate to others what they choose for themselves. This is what a free democratic society is all about. if you censor this then censor everything stop Mezco from producing Living Dead Dolls, stop making horror movies like SAW or movies that show people eyes being plucked out while it oozes yellow goo. Just sad.

People stomping on the freedom of others makes me even sicker! You don't have to like it, that is what freedom is about.

[city]

Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2

I don't know, I think people are making entirely too much out of this incident. Especially given that all we have is a general description of the app, and none of the people damning it have ever played it or seen it.

Anyone over the age of 45 or so who remembers the 70's or the 60's can tell you that this sort of black humour used to be common, things like this were published in humour magazines and lampooned on comedy shows all the time.

At the risk of using the classic "old-timer" phrase ... it never hurt me or anyone I ever heard of.

We can't laugh at this sort of thing anymore, but we have wall to wall disgusting porn available to every six year old through the internet? This is "too shocking" yet we are (at least 30 or 40 percent of us) okay with raping and torturing our enemies in wartime?

Sometimes it seems like the world is topsy-turvy. We are so PC we can't make an inappropriate joke, but at the same time pretty much anything goes as long as you keep it nominally hidden or don't talk about it too much? That's just dishonest. I think censorship is always wrong unless there is an actual material harm that can be identified. This is not that. It's a stupid game like the folks at National Lampoon would have wrote if they could write iPhone games back then.

It's not Apple's job to protect us from boobies and bad jokes.

I have a pre-game system handheld pocket size Nintendo (I think) from the late seventies or early eighties that shows babies being dropped from a burning building. The object is to catch them. They splat when missed. At least one is trying to save a life.

I also have a handheld post war glass top box that drops a bb in a hold marked Hiroshimo. It's offensive!

[iansilv]

Originally Posted by Trajectory

Those life-loving conservatives would only be satisfied if you replaced the babies with gay people. Plus more gore and blood.

Let's just replace them with you and your kids.



that would be funny right? I mean- its just a game right? I don't want Apple defining good taste- its harmless- so lets put yo, your kids, your parents- let's put them in the game and sell it.

[iansilv]

Originally Posted by iLad

seriously! If people want to buy an App were they shake babies to death then that's their prerogative as long as they don't hurt real babies. There are lots of games and movies out there with far worse horrific imagery. This is the USA , a democratic nation where people supposedly have have freedoms (if not then what the hell are we fighting for in the mid-east). Who the hell has any right to tell others what they can and can not do as long as they break no laws. Pulling this app is as unamerican as it gets. You don't have to like it, but you can't dictate to others what they choose for themselves. This is what a free democratic society is all about. if you censor this then censor everything stop Mezco from producing Living Dead Dolls, stop making horror movies like SAW or movies that show people eyes being plucked out while it oozes yellow goo. Just sad.

People stomping on the freedom of others makes me even sicker! You don't have to like it, that is what freedom is about.

OK- so you think Child porn is ok? Oh- you mentioned the laws thing. Right- nice circular argument- you cant ban it unless its illegal... but you can make it illegal because you are stepping on someone's freedoms...

[iansilv]

Originally Posted by razorpit

If it were a game about killing gays the creator would have been thrown in jail by now for a hate crime.

I may be wrong but I don't think there are many "liberals" out there who would think shaking babies to death would be considered a fun game. That's just bad stuff man. Hopefully some day when you become a parent you'll see things a little differently.

'Nuff said. Liberals, conservatives- it does not matter- shaking babies is terrible and only a sick emotionless friendless fuck thinks it funny.

[carloblackmore]

Originally Posted by solipsism

1) Creating a Facebook group to get Apple to do something is less effective than if you picketed Redmond, WA to get Apple's attention... and it's just lame to begin with.

2) Apple understand CSR and does quite a bit toward it, though perhaps in the name of. The removal of and lack of approval for questionable apps is proof of that.

3) I'm sure Apple will institute a unified ratings level at some point, but remember that the App Store only launched 9 months ago. I don't think Apple had any idea of how successful it would be. I know such groups exist to state problems without actually conceiving of resolutions so I'll give you a couple questions about the logistics: Who monitors the ratings? If the developer then the whole thing is pointless. If it's Apple then there is a very large, expensive team that needs to be made to monitor the 35k+ apps from start to finish, including each update, to make sure there is no language, images, audio, or general unpleasantly that someone could find offensive. Then they need to figure out what the rating levels and types will be. One family might be okay with first person shooters of people but not of wild game, and vice versa. That two types of families do exist. Then there is religious slander and sex and all sorts of things inbetween that isn't easily labeled. Does Apple just slap a good/bad rating like the RIAA's explicit content sticker or go with some silly generalizations about content like the MPAA has.

Great points. With music, Apple was able to rely on a standard that was already put in place by the music industry. The App Store represents a new type of media that no one really has ownership of yet. But just like we held the music industry (not the artists) to a high standard for regulating content in their industry - we need to hold Apple (not the developers) to an equally high standard for this medium that they are clearly leading and profiting from. I'm sure they're doing their best - I'm just saying they need to allocate more resources toward this to do a better job that is worthy of their image and brand.

BTW - I don't expect my Facebook group to change Apple. But I do believe in karma - I feel it's necessary to do something extra - however small - to oppose the ridiculous stuff developers are throwing into the App Store.

[mzl]

Originally Posted by solipsism

A game shaking babies to death is still just a game, just as a game shooting people is still just a game, yet they are plentiful in all forms of gaming. That is not to say that the app is good choice for the App Store or any other store, but he did make it clear that we are making too much out of it and I think your post, complete with faux-expletives, reinforces his point.

I completely agree. The game may be stupid and in bad taste, but it is not really worth being upset over. A real reason for withdrawing the game would be that I sincerely doubt if the creator got permission to use the picture that was used for the icon.

[resurgent]

Instead of the slingbox app, they approved the baby shaker app. Nice.

[mzl]

Originally Posted by iansilv

OK- so you think Child porn is ok? Oh- you mentioned the laws thing. Right- nice circular argument- you cant ban it unless its illegal... but you can make it illegal because you are stepping on someone's freedoms...

You do realize the difference between a badly drawn image of a baby with crosses over the eyes and sexual exploitation of real, living children? Right? No, probably not...

[bigdaddyp]

Originally Posted by iansilv

'Nuff said. Liberals, conservatives- it does not matter- shaking babies is terrible and only a sick emotionless friendless fuck thinks it funny.

I support Apple pulling this app as it is their prerogative to set standards for what apps they will distribute and what they deem inappropriate. Personally I did not find it funny and can't fault them for pulling it. If they had chosen to keep it I would have supported that choice as well. What?? If they decided to keep it what exactly did the do wrong? Is cartoon violence illegal? Censorship is generally something that is bad and something I despise and would support them for that reason alone.
I have a son that has Aspergers syndrome. He is a beautiful child that I love very much and would die protecting him. He has brought much joy to our life and never fails to amaze with how clever and special he is. However he can be such a pain in the ass that I have joked about beating, drowning, electrocuting and feeding him to wolves. I also used to joke and tell him to go play in traffic. If you had not spent time with him and me you would and should be shocked hearing this. However by the age of five he has had to be committed, damn near killed his baby sister, caused thousand in damage to our house and generally wreaked havoc on our family. I have made jokes about abuse and frustrtation like this to his pediatrician and case worker and they laughed. The pediatrician once told me that anyone else she would call social services but she had noticed that I use humor to relive stress and supported my methods. The case worker that helped provide support for us and was a fierce child advocate joked back once on how to beat him and not leave a mark. Both new that I was kidding and in fact rarely used corporal punishment because it general it only had a negative effect on him.
Using your standard I am a sick friendless fuck but I say screw you and your sanctimonious attitude. I can understand anyone that works with abused children being offended but try being the parent that not only does not abuse their child but continues to provide a good loving home.