2009 iPhone models surface in Dutch T-Mobile systems

[AppleInsider]

Seemingly confirming Apple's basic iPhone product strategy for next week, T-Mobile Netherlands' phone catalog is showing 16GB and 32GB iPhones for 2009 as well as a possible 8GB model.

A pair of tips show an entry known as "iPhone 2009" in both black and white for the two identified capacities, hinting that Apple will no longer reserve a second color option for its best model.

Obtained by iPhoneClub, the images also curiously show two different entries for iPhones that are difficult to identify. One simply lists as "iPhone 2009 (NTB)" while another is "iPhone 3G 8GB Black V2." The former may just be a placeholder, but the second is less clear; the potential exists for it either to be a continuance of the iPhone 3G as-is after the new launch or else simply a minor, mid-cycle iPhone update that already exists in stores.

The 32GB instance has all been assumed to be in development due to the nature of flash memory technology but, if borne out by Apple's WWDC keynote on Monday, would represent the first capacity upgrade to the iPhone since the original iPhone was given a 16GB choice in early 2008.

However, an 8GB model, whether or not it's part of the 2009 refresh, would support the as-yet unverified rumors that Apple may retain a less expensive iPhone model in its catalog. The Cupertino-based iPhone creator is facing the two-pronged challenge of both a struggling world economy -- which contributed to its more modest iPhone sales last quarter -- as well as a new wave of competitors. Palm just today launched its Pre smartphone with multi-touch and has been fortunate enough to receive generally positive reviews that cast the touchscreen device as one of the few truly serious rivals to Apple's share of the smartphone business.

[Wayfarer]

*Yawn* Wake me up when Snow Leopard info surfaces.

[dronkert]

NTB = "Nader Te Bepalen" = To Be Determined.

[SpamSandwich]

So, I guess they'll be available on Monday or Tuesday... as everyone's been saying.

[winterspan]

Originally Posted by dronkert

NTB = "Nader Te Bepalen" = To Be Determined.

Thanks! I tried acronym finder and nothing in english made sense. it also had some German phrases listed, but I translated those and they didn't fit either. I was going to go crazy! LOL

[bonklers]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

*Yawn* Wake me up when Snow Leopard info surfaces.

i think apple is making great technological leaps with SL. Once its released we'll see that the comparisons in the media vs win7 haven't put it into perspective.
same thing with os3.0, i think once it's out it will make webOS look obsolete.
I can't wait for monday to come, AI rumors are nice time fillers but nothing beats the real deal.

[MacAttack09]

Does anyone actually think the new iPhone will be ready Monday or Tuesday? Wouldn't it have been leaked by now from the FCC? It doesn't seem like an Apple move.

[ipodrulz]

I really wish Apple cuts the 8GB line... please Apple. Do not dilute your brand. It hurts to see the iPhone being sold at Wal Mart, it's like the RAZR of 2009.

[MacTel]

We need more exciting rumors than this just a few days away from WWDC.

**** N E W S F L A SH ! ! !****

Apple decides the iPhone is just too good to sell and pulls it completely out of the market. In its place Apple is introducing to the world the iCan. It is a container for a multitude of items and when connected, with optional string, to another iCan you can almost have a conversation between two people. The iCan will be exclusive to AT&T for no less than five years in the U.S. Worldwide availability is undetermined at this time.

**** E N D N E W S F L A S H ****

Something like that. What happened to the good old days when we would have had rumors of flexible OLED displays, 10 megapixel with flash cameras, pico projectors, or vibrating batteries.

The iPhone still doesn't have voice dialing, that would be a good feature to have rumor or not.

[dagamer34]

Originally Posted by MacAttack09

Does anyone actually think the new iPhone will be ready Monday or Tuesday? Wouldn't it have been leaked by now from the FCC? It doesn't seem like an Apple move.

FCC is very strict on not leaking information before it's NDA is up. Leaking company secrets before announcements is a good way to get sued for millions of dollars in damages, especially when the FCC is privy to much more private information than will ever be publicly released.

[ThatSoCALguy]

When the pic states iPhone 3G V2, it possibily stands for version 2. Version 2 possibily refers to OS. 3.0. I don't know, only time will tell.

[mark2005]

Originally Posted by MacAttack09

Does anyone actually think the new iPhone will be ready Monday or Tuesday? Wouldn't it have been leaked by now from the FCC? It doesn't seem like an Apple move.

The whole FCC thing was used by Apple as an excuse in 2007; Apple really just wanted to stop people from renewing or signing new contracts during those six months before the iPhone was sold. The FCC has a "keep-under-wraps" option that I'm sure Apple has used since the beginning.

[city]

Originally Posted by ipodrulz

I really wish Apple cuts the 8GB line... please Apple. Do not dilute your brand. It hurts to see the iPhone being sold at Wal Mart, it's like the RAZR of 2009.

As many people as possible should be exposed to great products and great design. The iPhone's beauty and elegance is more apparent upon use. It doesn't matter where it's sold (Big Lots, 99¢ store, maybe not Sears). Everyone should have one. The RAZR was a hooky product reliant on advertising.

[hill60]

I work in a phonestore in Australia and an email was sent out asking us to update the iTunes we use for activation to 8.2...

...hmm!

Note this is the first update to iTunes we've had to do since installing 7 last year.

/taps side of nose

[floccus]

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Obtained by iPhoneClub, the images also curiously show two different entries for iPhones that are difficult to identify. One simply lists as "iPhone 2009 (NTB)" while another is "iPhone 3G 8GB Black V2." The former may just be a placeholder, ...

There are similar NTB items for Alcatel, Asus, and I would presume a bunch of others, so most likely thats a general placeholder for any manufacturer they expect to release new models. Keeping the old 8GB model and letting it serve as either a free w/ contract or v. cheap model that goes with prepaid would obviously help get more units shipped to more people.

[dagamer34]

Originally Posted by hill60

I work in a phonestore in Australia and an email was sent out asking us to update the iTunes we use for activation to 8.2...

...hmm!

Note this is the first update to iTunes we've had to do since installing 7 last year.

/taps side of nose

Well, iPhone OS 3.0 requires iTunes 8.2. That much is well known.

[AIaddict]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

Do you realize just how ignorant that sounds. It's a Phone.

You are the one putting your ignorance on display. Anyone an spends 5 minutes with an iPhone and walks away thinking "It's a Phone" is completely clueless to technology.

Despite the name, the iPhone is really a handheld computing platform that happens to be able to make phone calls. See the touch for what an iPhone is without the phone functionality. Anyway, as a computing platform the comment made a lot of sense.

[brucep]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

I stand corrected.

The only ones tarnishing Apple's name are people that trash Walmart and don't want the iPhone sold there and FanBoy's that make comments like...

"

Do you realize just how ignorant that sounds. It's a Phone.

You have somehow agreed and disagreed about the same post, all the while insulting and praising ciry.

Good Life

[Mr. H]

Looks like Teckstud's registered under another name

[jimmy176]

I don't avoid Wal-Mart because they're uncool, I avoid them because they underpay workers, quash unions, and support the Chinese economy more than the American economy.

I couldn't care less if I can get an iPhone there for 10 bucks cheaper.

[soundsgoodtome]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

The only ones tarnishing Apple's name are people that trash Walmart and don't want the iPhone sold there and FanBoy's that make comments like...

"The iPhone's beauty and elegance is more apparent upon use".

Do you realize just how ignorant that sounds. It's a Phone.

Do you realize how ignorant you sound, calling that statement ignorant?

Saying the iPhone's "a phone" is like saying the Taj Mahal's "a house." Anyone who's ever used an iPhone for any period of time will recognize that the quoted statement -- specifically as applied to its operating system -- is perfectly reasonable (aside from the improper verb agreement). :-) The attention to detail in the OS is unprecedented in any "phone" preceeding the iPhone. As one uses the device more and more, exploring other features, one is constantly surprised or amazed at the attention to detail.

Therefore, it's true: The iPhone's beauty and elegance are more apparent upon use.

Deal with it, dude.

[sennen]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

Would everyone quit with the Walmart trashing and how it's going to tarnish the Apple Brand.

The only one's tarnishing the Apple Brand are the FanBoys that don't want the iPhone to be sold at Walmart. It was a sound business decision because the average Mac & iPhone user already knows what they are going to purchase before they go in. There are 1000's more Walmarts than Apple & AT&T stores combined.

i agreed with this post.

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

I stand corrected.

The only ones tarnishing Apple's name are people that trash Walmart and don't want the iPhone sold there and FanBoy's that make comments like...

"The iPhone's beauty and elegance is more apparent upon use".

Do you realize just how ignorant that sounds. It's a Phone.

This post was rubbish, however. ignorant? how does it sound ignorant?

Originally Posted by city

As many people as possible should be exposed to great products and great design. The iPhone's beauty and elegance is more apparent upon use. It doesn't matter where it's sold (Big Lots, 99¢ store, maybe not Sears). Everyone should have one. The RAZR was a hooky product reliant on advertising.

i don't see what is wrong with this description. beauty and elegance aren't words usually used to describe phones, but in the iPhone's case, it is not an unreasonable claim. And if the writer feels there is a sense of beauty and elegance in the product and how it operates, who are you to gainsay it? i do seem to recall many media reviews using similar language when the iPhone first came out.

[justflybob]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

Would everyone quit with the Walmart trashing and how it's going to tarnish the Apple Brand.

The only one's tarnishing the Apple Brand are the FanBoys that don't want the iPhone to be sold at Walmart. It was a sound business decision because the average Mac & iPhone user already knows what they are going to purchase before they go in. There are 1000's more Walmarts than Apple & AT&T stores combined.

Besides the fact that WALMART sells a heck of a lot of iPods.

Does that make you any less "COOL".

Grow up.

Edit: I'd change your screen name... It's associated with a product sold at Walmart.

To some of us it is NOT about being "cool". It has more to do with WalMart policies towards their employees and they way they have stomped their way into many a quiet neighborhood and screwed the place up royally.

Or have you forgotten about their published policy about "only hiring 'healthy' people; making sure to first have someone work overtime, then cut their base hours that week, to AVOID paying them overtime; making sure "full-time" employees are sent home early or cut hours to avoid hitting the magic number of hours for required for benefits.

It's all very well documented, so I won't go into details here. But that's why I and many others would rather not see Apple in WalMart at all. Costco or Sam's Club, yes. Walmart? Hell no.

[DHKOsta]

NTB = nine terabytes

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by hill60

I work in a phonestore in Australia and an email was sent out asking us to update the iTunes we use for activation to 8.2...

Interesting. Do you think it was a pre-emptive decision by something making an assumption or did this come from a higher-up in the know.

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

I've had an iPhone from day 1.

My favorite Apps are USA Today, AP, Grocery App, Pandora & Wall Street Journal.

Edit. I like Shazam.
I like my phone but there is much in the market that competes with it and surpasses it now, even with 3.0 unless we see something that hasn't been announced on Monday.

It's a Tool. Nothing more, nothing less. I've had an iPhone for 2 years and it's still just a Phone.

Edit. I like Shazam. All Free Apps that I've paid Apple nothing for.

You like twice Shazam twice, interesting. Preferring one phone over another fine. None of the people you’ve spit at have stated that the iPhone is the only phone available and that it can do anything other phones can do, only better. They simply like their iPhone and look forward to the next one; for which you have gotten angry at them.

As for, “It's a Tool. Nothing more, nothing less.” there are many “tools” that we use that we also love. It’s part of human nature to love our most useful and beautifully designed tools. Do you not think cars are a tool and many people love their cars. I’m sure they treat them better than their phones. It’s still just an item, but when a product makes our lives easy or enriches it in some way we tend to appreciate it more than other products. Why such a simple concept is difficult for you understand, I can only guess: Either you are not human or you are live in a small shed in the woods despising technology.

Originally Posted by justflybob

Costco or Sam's Club, yes. Walmart? Hell no.

Note that Wal-Mart owns Sam’s Club.

[Lukeskymac]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

Troll.

And smiley faces only degrade your posting even further.

So am I a troll, too? After that post of yours, I thought exactly the same.

EDIT: LOL, after reading other comments, YOU seem to be the troll here...

[sennen]

such arrogance. laugh out loud.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by Lukeskymac

So am I a troll, too? After that post of yours, I thought exactly the same.

EDIT: LOL, after reading other comments, YOU seem to be the troll here...

Seem to be? He makes Teckstud look like Melgross. This guy is so far gone I can’t help but feel sorry for him. I wonder what kind of life someone so vile in thought could have.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

You have over 9,000 posts in 3 years to this room. I was thinking the same thing.

You may have less posts, but before you slither back into your hovel I hope that you can make just one useful post that helps the thread instead of trying to derail it. Just one! It may be too much to ask for but I’m optimistic by nature.

[BenRoethig]

Originally Posted by dagamer34

FCC is very strict on not leaking information before it's NDA is up. Leaking company secrets before announcements is a good way to get sued for millions of dollars in damages, especially when the FCC is privy to much more private information than will ever be publicly released.

I don't think anyone would actually sue the Feds. They could make life for a company very difficult going forward.

[pohl]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

It's a phone...
...It's a Tool. Nothing more, nothing less. I've had an iPhone for 2 years and it's still just a Phone.

Well, perhaps if there is such a thing as being colorblind, tonedeaf, etc. there is also the possibility of being unable to perceive differences in quality and therefore the impact that quality can have on the value of a tool.

I agree that the iPhone is a mere tool. One of the most obvious things that separates it from other tools in its class is that the software is designed in such a way that television advertisements actually show a user how to interact with the software. (To put it another way: the ads are tutorials.) Contrast that with television ads for other smartphones, where you see absolutely anything but how to interact with the software: you'll see people, perhaps...kicking a soccer ball or dancing. Most often you see abstract graphics whizzing about on the screen, and the product rotating with a small video clip of a beautiful woman on the display smiling at you. But I don't think I've ever seen a pair of hands choosing a name from a contact list, or navigating the web,...

So, yes, it's a tool. But it's a more usable tool, so at least by that one metric it's not equivalent to every other similar tool out there, as you imply.

[addabox]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

Have you ever wondered why Tech Stud, Italian Kid and People like me are allowed to stay in this room without being kicked out.

Because we keep people like you that are here for no other reason than to pull out your dictionary and make yourself sound smart when all you normally spew are facts that are incorrect in check.

With 9,340 posts you do nothing but derail the room by your total lack of knowledge in any subject or forum room that you've been in.

As I said with my first post. I sat on the sidelines and watched you belittle people for years and I'm tired of it. You are a mean person with an evil spirit that gets pleasure out of trying to ridicule anyone that disagrees with you or Anything Non Apple.

I don't know what it is that you think Solipsism has done to you that makes you post crazy shit like this, but you should cut it out. We can all see his posts and can see he's a pretty level headed guy.

Put him on your ignore list if he bothers you so much.

[pohl]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

That was so much bull shit it made my head hurt trying to read it.

Lol...yes, that could very well be a symptom of perceptual dysfunction. The universe is merciful, though, in that you'll never realize it.

[pohl]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

Hey Yoda, save it for the Star Wars Forum.

YouTube threads might be a better fit for your calibre.

[Dunks]

Originally Posted by DHKOsta

NTB = nine terabytes

Finally a rumour I can confirm.

And it's available in many shades of brown.

[aplnub]

Originally Posted by bonklers

same thing with os3.0, i think once it's out it will make webOS look obsolete.

maybe, maybe not. The current lag expirenced on the iPhone has to dissapear for the iPhone to really make a difference with 3.0.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by bonklers

same thing with os3.0, i think once it's out it will make webOS look obsolete.

Originally Posted by aplnub

maybe, maybe not. The current lag expirenced on the iPhone has to dissapear for the iPhone to really make a difference with 3.0.

WebOS will still look impressive in many ways for a smartphone OS. The UI is pretty slick, overall. There are some issues with the speed and functionality in some ways, but overall it’s a pretty solid debut.

iPhone OS 3.0 is still slow in some ways. Though it’s still in Beta, there will be little to any speed gains on the ARMv6 with 128MB RAM. Even with the same ARMv7 with 256MB RAM as the Pre and with a PowerVR/Nvidia GPU there will still be aspects of the Pre that should work more fluently. It is a lighter OS, after all.

[bonklers]

you should all lighten up! take each comment as a single opinion and not as a fact. so if someone says, "i love shopping at walmart" then good for them, cause thats what they like, and your response should be "i think its wrong to shop there cause of A,B, and C" and not "youre going to burn in hell of shopping there"

once we get a shiny new iphone i think the comments will be happier.

[Macrosheep]

Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan

I don't know what Walmart you are talking about.

Walmart has a reputation of hiring the elderly to greet people and have a policy to hire the handicapped.

That is what I see at the Walmart I shop at and they have great prices on many name brand products such as the iPod, Blackberry, Samsung, Sony, Macs, Food.

If Walmart is that offensive to you then I'd suggest not buying any products that are sold there, because you are supporting Vendors that support them.

You wil have no computer, no phone, no food, no household items.

Be the first to say I will not support any Vendor that does business with Walmart because that vendor has chosen to do business with them.

So you're relying on what you see when you walk into a store as your entire basis for how Wal-Mart does business? It's sad, really, that someone can get through life without learning that the world is more complex than it appear at first glimpse. Wal-Mart's horrendous record is common knowledge, and is easily researched - heard of Google? Especially since Sam Walton died, it's grown into one of the worst examples of corporate greed and exploitation of the poor ever recorded. I worked there in my teen years, and saw it first-hand. I haven't shopped there since I quit the place (over 10 years), so it is very possible to get along just fine without the place. I do find it funny that you accept Wal-Mart as a happy place based on face value, but you repeatedly call others "ignorant". To quote a good movie, "I do not think that means what you think it means."

Overall, I'm not sure that this the best place for you. I'm afraid that if you go to Apple-centric web sites, you're bound to encounter Apple fans. If that angers you, there's a whole Internet out there for you to go explore.

By the way, if the iPhone is only a phone, and the iPod Touch is the iPhone without the phone, it must be impossible that I just wrote this comment from my Touch! Weird!

[nvidia2008]

Now back on topic, I think the new sexy iPhone 3G will be available in 16GB and 32GB in both Black and White each.

The 8GB iPhone 3G will be the current model iPhone 3G which will still be available at an "Optional" basis depending on the Telcos in various countries. They can decide to carry it or not.

So Telcos around the world, will have the option of using it.

AT&T I think, 50% chance they will not use that option to avoid cannibalization of the iPhone 3G 16GB and 32GB. Hard to say at this point.

I think Apple Stores USA will only carry 16GB and 32GB. While 8GB old model only available at AT&T.

8GB old model becomes like the iPod Shuffle while the 16GB and 32GB is like the iPod Touch, if we were to make a very rough analogy to the iPod lines.

This leaves flexibility for Apple and Telcos around the world to have a bit more "free play" to see how to fill out their iPhone offerings from the older 8GB to the new and sexy 16GB and 32GB models.