Reason for small hardware updates-->next year is hw year?

Stratosfear · 11-03-2002, 12:36 PM

Maybe reason for small hardware updates are, that Apple has put all the energy for making OS X ready like what Linux is now. Look where OS X is now and how many years it has been on market.Still OS X isn't ready and some things are still slow, but direction has been good/fast.

I am sure, that during the next year Apple will put more power into hardware development and we will see a lot more faster/better hardware. As Steve has said: "Will have options during the next year."

joek · 11-03-2002, 01:36 PM

no...

the reason for small hardware updates is that that's what is the norm.

Every update people bitch about "oh this is just a small update to hold us over until the 'big one'".

Wake up people. Small hardware updates are the routine... the "big one" is by far the exception.

Clive · 11-03-2002, 03:24 PM

[quote]Originally posted by joek:
no...

the reason for small hardware updates is that that's what is the norm.

<hr></blockquote>

I agree. Additionally Apple couldn't afford to be holding back on hardware if they had it, that's their way to make sales. When they have it it will be out - I don't think next year will be any more special than the past year (new iMac, remodelled G4s, brand new product - Xserve...).

So next year you might get speed-bumped iMacs, new PowerBooks, new pro towers with a new processor - very late in 2003 - and the processor to go in the Xserve too - though perhaps 3-6 months after the towers, so putting that into 2004).

Which is effectively no different to 2002.

madmax559 · 11-03-2002, 03:28 PM

new apple ad

small hardware.....beacuse size doesn't matter.

stunned · 11-03-2002, 08:16 PM

I am optimistic Apple will come out with more significant hardware updates next year. Especially if they switch to IBM or Motorola suddenly come out with a faster processor.

We all know that mhz dun matter that much.... but Apple by now must realise that it matters to switchers. Ignore that, and they are doomed.

So, lets hope Apple wakes up next year.

Nebrie · 11-03-2002, 08:42 PM

Didn't Steve Jobs say that next year, a lot of things they are doing as well as things that don't make sense to most of us now are going to finally come together next year?

smithjoel · 11-03-2002, 08:45 PM

Wow, somthing just hit me reading this thread. AMD is killing Apple!!! Before the Athlon, Intel would realese a couple of speed bumps a year. Like Apple still dose today. But then the PC world went from 600MHz to 1GHz in six months. While Mot went from 500 to 450, back to 500. I think if AMD was still a "value CPU", Apple and Intel would at least be close in performance.

Leonis · 11-03-2002, 11:09 PM

Only small updates is because Apple has no more new stuff

I am just joking.....so don't flame me

[ 11-03-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]

serrano · 11-04-2002, 12:48 AM

Wasn't this year supposed to be the hw year? Or was that last?

Bogie · 11-04-2002, 01:20 AM

Dual G4 processors with dual 5.25" drive bays, DDR RAM, dual video output, dual ATA hard drive controllers, ATA/100.

How quickly people forget.

Big Mac · 11-04-2002, 04:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Stratosfear:
Maybe reason for small hardware updates are, that Apple has put all the energy for making OS X ready like what Linux is now. Look where OS X is now and how many years it has been on market.Still OS X isn't ready and some things are still slow, but direction has been good/fast. [SNIP]<hr></blockquote>

I fail to see where you're going with this sentiment. Apple's hardware and software development teams are separate. Moreover, I don't think OS X is lacking in comparison to Linux in any possible way; to the contrary, OS X is superior in many ways. Most concur with the assertion that Apple's poor progress in hardware has been due to Motorola. It definitely cannot be blamed on OS X.

Stratosfear · 11-04-2002, 05:53 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Big Mac:


I fail to see where you're going with this sentiment. Apple's hardware and software development teams are separate. Moreover, I don't think OS X is lacking in comparison to Linux in any possible way; to the contrary, OS X is superior in many ways. Most concur with the assertion that Apple's poor progress in hardware has been due to Motorola. It definitely cannot be blamed on OS X.<hr></blockquote>

From old news:

When asked if Apple would seek an alternative to Motorola's PowerPC, namely chips from Intel, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said the company first had to finish the transition to Mac OS X: "Then we'll have options, and we like to have options," he said.

cowerd · 11-04-2002, 10:26 AM

[quote]Dual G4 processors with dual 5.25" drive bays, DDR RAM, dual video output, dual ATA hard drive controllers, ATA/100.

How quickly people forget.<hr></blockquote>
Yeah, they're flying off the shelves as we speak.

[ 11-04-2002: Message edited by: cowerd ]

Fat Freddy · 11-04-2002, 12:31 PM

[quote]Originally posted by serrano:

Wasn't this year supposed to be the hw year? Or was that last?<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Amorph · 11-04-2002, 01:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:

Yeah, they're flying off the shelves as we speak.

<hr></blockquote>

Of course they are.

What did you think that huge fan was for?

Bogie · 11-04-2002, 02:14 PM

Just trying to remind people that Apple did release Power Macs with every feature people have been screaming for over the past year except 2GHz G4s ... and yet they claim this isn't a hardware year ... Whatever, its never enough, there is always something to complain about.

RazzFazz · 11-04-2002, 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Bogie:
and yet they claim this isn't a hardware year ... Whatever, its never enough, there is always something to complain about.<hr></blockquote>

Well, this being AppleInsider, people most likely will only ever stop complaining once Macs outperform PCs in every single spec and cost less (a.k.a. "never").

Bye,
RazzFazz

MrBillData · 11-04-2002, 02:42 PM

My new Dual PM is definitly worth it this year.

But this certainly wasn't a Powerbook year.
Apple has slipped behind some Intel laptops and it
may not be until next year before they catch up.

MrBillData · 11-06-2002, 05:19 PM

Well, next year came pretty fast.

A 1 GHz Superdrive Powerbook will be in my hands come Saturday morning. That is if the New KoP store will have any for its grand opening. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

Jerome · 11-07-2002, 08:42 PM

[quote]Originally posted by MrBillData:
Well, next year came pretty fast.

A 1 GHz Superdrive Powerbook will be in my hands come Saturday morning. That is if the New KoP store will have any for its grand opening. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <hr></blockquote>

I doubt you'll have one by saturday, the online Apple store shows a 3-4 weeks delay. If you do find one, can you buy one for me? There are no Apple stores in Canada.

CharlesS · 11-07-2002, 09:11 PM

Ah, the old refrain...

11-03-2002, 12:36 PM	#1
Stratosfear Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 148	Reason for small hardware updates-->next year is hw year? Maybe reason for small hardware updates are, that Apple has put all the energy for making OS X ready like what Linux is now. Look where OS X is now and how many years it has been on market.Still OS X isn't ready and some things are still slow, but direction has been good/fast. I am sure, that during the next year Apple will put more power into hardware development and we will see a lot more faster/better hardware. As Steve has said: "Will have options during the next year."

11-03-2002, 03:24 PM	#3
Clive Privileges Revoked Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London, European Union Posts: 718	[quote]Originally posted by joek: <strong>no... the reason for small hardware updates is that that's what is the norm. </strong><hr></blockquote> I agree. Additionally Apple couldn't afford to be holding back on hardware if they had it, that's their way to make sales. When they have it it will be out - I don't think next year will be any more special than the past year (new iMac, remodelled G4s, brand new product - Xserve...). So next year you might get speed-bumped iMacs, new PowerBooks, new pro towers with a new processor - very late in 2003 - and the processor to go in the Xserve too - though perhaps 3-6 months after the towers, so putting that into 2004). Which is effectively no different to 2002. B&W G3/350 22" La Cie II, 12" PowerBook, 67 Mustang, 96 Honda Pan European

11-03-2002, 08:16 PM	#5
stunned Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,092	I am optimistic Apple will come out with more significant hardware updates next year. Especially if they switch to IBM or Motorola suddenly come out with a faster processor. We all know that mhz dun matter that much.... but Apple by now must realise that it matters to switchers. Ignore that, and they are doomed. So, lets hope Apple wakes up next year. iSurf, iSaw and iType

11-03-2002, 08:45 PM	#7
smithjoel Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In your pants Posts: 240	Wow, somthing just hit me reading this thread. AMD is killing Apple!!! Before the Athlon, Intel would realese a couple of speed bumps a year. Like Apple still dose today. But then the PC world went from 600MHz to 1GHz in six months. While Mot went from 500 to 450, back to 500. I think if AMD was still a "value CPU", Apple and Intel would at least be close in performance. Resistance is futile when electrons are excited.

11-03-2002, 11:09 PM	#8
Leonis AI Community Dictator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,392	Only small updates is because Apple has no more new stuff I am just joking.....so don't flame me [ 11-03-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p> Mac Pro 2.66, 5GB RAM, 250+120 HD, 23" Cinema Display MacBook 1.83GHz, 2GB RAM

11-03-2002, 01:36 PM	#2
joek Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 85	no... the reason for small hardware updates is that that's what is the norm. Every update people bitch about "oh this is just a small update to hold us over until the 'big one'". Wake up people. Small hardware updates are the routine... the "big one" is by far the exception.

11-03-2002, 03:28 PM	#4
madmax559 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 595	new apple ad small hardware.....beacuse size doesn't matter.

11-03-2002, 08:42 PM	#6
Nebrie Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 469	Didn't Steve Jobs say that next year, a lot of things they are doing as well as things that don't make sense to most of us now are going to finally come together next year?

11-04-2002, 12:48 AM	#9
serrano Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,806	Wasn't this year supposed to be the hw year? Or was that last? macbookairforum.com - MacBook Air Forum imfdb.org - We know guns in movies.

11-04-2002, 01:20 AM	#10
Bogie Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 407	Dual G4 processors with dual 5.25" drive bays, DDR RAM, dual video output, dual ATA hard drive controllers, ATA/100. How quickly people forget. AI Member since 1998. Founder GACmug, former Chairman. Macintosh Specialist and Administrator, Lees-McRae College

11-04-2002, 04:58 AM	#11
Big Mac Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 469	[quote]Originally posted by Stratosfear: <strong>Maybe reason for small hardware updates are, that Apple has put all the energy for making OS X ready like what Linux is now. Look where OS X is now and how many years it has been on market.Still OS X isn't ready and some things are still slow, but direction has been good/fast. [SNIP]</strong><hr></blockquote> I fail to see where you're going with this sentiment. Apple's hardware and software development teams are separate. Moreover, I don't think OS X is lacking in comparison to Linux in any possible way; to the contrary, OS X is superior in many ways. Most concur with the assertion that Apple's poor progress in hardware has been due to Motorola. It definitely cannot be blamed on OS X. PPC4EVER

11-04-2002, 05:53 AM	#12
Stratosfear Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 148	[quote]Originally posted by Big Mac: <strong> I fail to see where you're going with this sentiment. Apple's hardware and software development teams are separate. Moreover, I don't think OS X is lacking in comparison to Linux in any possible way; to the contrary, OS X is superior in many ways. Most concur with the assertion that Apple's poor progress in hardware has been due to Motorola. It definitely cannot be blamed on OS X.</strong><hr></blockquote> From old news: When asked if Apple would seek an alternative to Motorola's PowerPC, namely chips from Intel, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said the company first had to finish the transition to Mac OS X: "Then we'll have options, and we like to have options," he said.

11-04-2002, 10:26 AM	#13
cowerd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: on the plantation Posts: 570	[quote]Dual G4 processors with dual 5.25" drive bays, DDR RAM, dual video output, dual ATA hard drive controllers, ATA/100. How quickly people forget.<hr></blockquote> Yeah, they're flying off the shelves as we speak. [ 11-04-2002: Message edited by: cowerd ]</p> four more beers, four more beers

11-04-2002, 12:31 PM	#14
Fat Freddy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: United States of Europe Posts: 133	[quote]Originally posted by serrano: <strong> Wasn't this year supposed to be the hw year? Or was that last?</strong><hr></blockquote> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Waiting for the Power Mac G5 since Oktober 2001

11-04-2002, 01:40 PM	#15
Amorph Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Iowa City Posts: 6,811	[quote]Originally posted by cowerd: <strong> Yeah, they're flying off the shelves as we speak. </strong><hr></blockquote> Of course they are. What did you think that huge fan was for? "...within intervention's distance of the embassy." - CvB Original music: The Mayflies - Black earth Americana. Now on iTMS! Becca Sutlive - Iowa Fried Rock 'n Roll - now on iTMS!

11-04-2002, 02:14 PM	#16
Bogie Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 407	Just trying to remind people that Apple did release Power Macs with every feature people have been screaming for over the past year except 2GHz G4s ... and yet they claim this isn't a hardware year ... Whatever, its never enough, there is always something to complain about. AI Member since 1998. Founder GACmug, former Chairman. Macintosh Specialist and Administrator, Lees-McRae College

11-04-2002, 02:38 PM	#17
RazzFazz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 727	[quote]Originally posted by Bogie: <strong>and yet they claim this isn't a hardware year ... Whatever, its never enough, there is always something to complain about.</strong><hr></blockquote> Well, this being AppleInsider, people most likely will only ever stop complaining once Macs outperform PCs in every single spec and cost less (a.k.a. "never"). Bye, RazzFazz

11-04-2002, 02:42 PM	#18
MrBillData Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: 243 miles up Posts: 489	My new Dual PM is definitly worth it this year. But this certainly wasn't a Powerbook year. Apple has slipped behind some Intel laptops and it may not be until next year before they catch up. The Bush public works project to repave the road from Suspicion to Paranoia is over budget.

11-06-2002, 05:19 PM	#19
MrBillData Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: 243 miles up Posts: 489	Well, next year came pretty fast. A 1 GHz Superdrive Powerbook will be in my hands come Saturday morning. That is if the New KoP store will have any for its grand opening. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> The Bush public works project to repave the road from Suspicion to Paranoia is over budget.

11-07-2002, 08:42 PM	#20
Jerome Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: PQ:CAN Posts: 17	[quote]Originally posted by MrBillData: <strong>Well, next year came pretty fast. A 1 GHz Superdrive Powerbook will be in my hands come Saturday morning. That is if the New KoP store will have any for its grand opening. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote> I doubt you'll have one by saturday, the online Apple store shows a 3-4 weeks delay. If you do find one, can you buy one for me? There are no Apple stores in Canada.

11-07-2002, 09:11 PM	#21
CharlesS Registered User Join Date: May 1990 Location: ylamona laropmet a ni kcutS Posts: 287	Ah, the old refrain... Proud member of AppleInsider since before the World Wide Web existed.

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