Busted for Boobs-Teacher dismissed for private actions

[trumptman]

I got the Bud beads!

I saw this and thought, that isn't right.

I have seen this sort of thinking applied several times to teachers. No wonder kids think we are put in a closet and plugged in to recharge at night. We should be according to districts with reasoning like this.

This woman was at a private party showed her boobs to some friends. Someone took a picture and emailed it to her bosses. They dismissed her for something not related at all to her job. I hope she sues them out of existance.

Nick

[Chinney]

I agree. This is stupid because:

a. this was an entirely private matter;
b. if it it were not, it is not wrong or shocking in the least;
c. it's just stupid.

Geez this sort of thing makes me angry. What's wrong with breasts?

[dmz]

Whose going to hire this woman to babysit your kids?



(if you aren't a "breeder" hold your peace)

[Luca]

Originally posted by dmz
Whose going to hire this woman to babysit your kids?



(if you aren't a "breeder" hold your peace)

Everyone does stupid stuff. If the worst thing someone has done is gotten a bit too drunk one time and shown her breasts, that's not too bad in my book. Compare that to all the things some people have done - child molestation, cocaine, having affairs - and this looks pretty good.

I sure wouldn't want any coke users to be in a real position of power any more than I'd want a child molester to be teaching our kids. Oh wait.

But I guess I should shut up, since I'm a straight male who isn't interested in having kids (yet). Hell I don't even have a girlfriend.

It's very pretentious of you to invalidate the opinions of a group of people before they even contribute to the thread.

[running with scissors]

pretty fvcking stupid. This kind of shit really pisses me off.

[Chinney]

Originally posted by dmz
Whose going to hire this woman to babysit your kids?

Why in the world not? What is your point?

[alcimedes]

hell, if she were coming over to babysit my kids i'd have a bucket of Bud beads sitting next to the door.

teachers are people. breasts are breasts. these people need to pull their heads out of their asses. if she flashed the kids they might have a leg to stand on. this is just lame.

[Artman @_@]

Hmmm. I can't make a judgement unless I see the photo in question...

She blundered. Now the school administration is blundering. Her own daughter knew of her dismissal before she did. So theres a good chance the whole damn school knows of the whole incident.

Hope she sues the hell of of them.

[Carol A]

Originally posted by alcimedes
hell, if she were coming over to babysit my kids i'd have a bucket of Bud beads sitting next to the door.

teachers are people. breasts are breasts. these people need to pull their heads out of their asses. if she flashed the kids they might have a leg to stand on. this is just lame.

I reserve my anger and loathing for the *female* who emailed the pictures. Bet she is all smug and happy right now, to have single-handedly destroyed this teacher's career - she was possibly even a one-time 'friend'.

It HAD to be a woman. Do you guys agree? I just think most guys wouldn't email the picture and ruin her life. It's totally an 'envious' female thing to do - presumably one whose breasts weren't worthy of baring. What a scheming, vengeful bitch.

She has lost her job, but she could *still* lose her teaching certificate from the state. Then she 'would' be well and truly screwed. Course she probably is anyway, as far as ever teaching again in that state goes. She'll have to move to another state.

Bet this kind of dismissal would NEVER happen in Europe. Only in the Puritanical, good ol' U.S. of A.

[dmz]

It would have to be a guy: watching women debase themselves riffs on that powertrip/submission thing too strongly.

[pfflam]

Originally posted by Carol A
I reserve my anger and loathing for the *female* who emailed the pictures. Bet she is all smug and happy right now, to have single-handedly destroyed this teacher's career - she was possibly even a one-time 'friend'.

It HAD to be a woman. Do you guys agree? I just think most guys wouldn't email the picture and ruin her life. It's totally an 'envious' female thing to do - presumably one whose breasts weren't worthy of baring. What a scheming, vengeful bitch.

She has lost her job, but she could *still* lose her teaching certificate from the state. Then she 'would' be well and truly screwed. Course she probably is anyway, as far as ever teaching again in that state goes. She'll have to move to another state.

Bet this kind of dismissal would NEVER happen in Europe. Only in the Puritanical, good ol' U.S. of A.

I think it could be a guy . . some slighted guy who has always felt that she is gorgeous (which she appears to be) and has overlooked him . . . Never under-sell the male ego's ability to hate what it also loves

One of my ex-best friends is short and grew up in a very neurotic family. One day he was eating at a restaraunt with my wife and I (we were not married at the time) and he said, in a calm voice, I hate you two for your "happiness" . . . he felt that kind of bitterness towards anybody that was tall or nearly good-looking or in any way self confident or successful . . . .
I think that many men harbor this kind of inner-victim loathing emotion

. . . hell, there is a whole sub-genre of rock music that thrives on that kind of emotion: the new metal/grunge wallow angst crap, like Lincoln Park etc!

but Yes I agree, this so called "friend" should get outed and then should be placed in public stocks and reviled for betrayal of friendship

anyway, she should sue . . . and why does this country care at all about breasts?!?!
It is a sign of cultural immaturity . . infantile regression . . .

[SDW2001]

Honestly,

The district blundered in its handling of this. But, they do have a right to fire her according to most education employment contracts. Most have "morals" clauses.

[pfflam]

Originally posted by SDW2001
Honestly,

The district blundered in its handling of this. But, they do have a right to fire her according to most education employment contracts. Most have "morals" clauses.

What is immoral about Breasts?

[alcimedes]

more importantly, wtf does a morals clause have to do with a perfectly legal activity outside of work hours?

if i'm not at work, and what i'm doing is legal, MY WORK CAN KISS MY ASS.

it's your employer, not your moral compass.

[msantti]

[Luca]

Your image doesn't work.

EDIT: Now it does. Ha.

PICS PLZ THNX

[Chinney]

Originally posted by SDW2001
Honestly,

The district blundered in its handling of this. But, they do have a right to fire her according to most education employment contracts. Most have "morals" clauses.

I'm not quite sure what your point is about a "morals" clause in the context of this matter. Clarify, if you dare.

[Kickaha]

Duh.

A teacher can be fired for anything they do that the superintendent/school board/powers that be deems 'immoral'. Morality is that nebulous thing that everyone claims to have the One True Handle on, but no one can agree on. So it's an open clause that's added to many contracts where children are involved for 'their protection'.

Of course, it's rarely ever invoked, except for idiotic things like this.

If it happens outside of school, it stays outside of school, in my opinion.



Kind of like I have no problem with a fundamentalist Creationist teaching biology... as long as it's kept out of the classroom. Same thing, in my opinion.

[addabox]

You know, I bet that woman has had sex! Whore! If only we had pictures, we could burn the witch! The fact that she even has breasts is a clear incitement to wrong thoughts.

Remember, women carry the seed of evil.

[Chinney]

Originally posted by Kickaha
Duh.

A teacher can be fired for anything they do that the superintendent/school board/powers that be deems 'immoral'. Morality is that nebulous thing that everyone claims to have the One True Handle on, but no one can agree on. So it's an open clause that's added to many contracts where children are involved for 'their protection'.

Of course, it's rarely ever invoked, except for idiotic things like this.

Well I suppose. But could the superintendent be fired for his "immoral" actions in this case? That would be my view of the morality here. I'd say more about morality generally, but it would derail this interesting thread and split the comments more on strict party lines. I don’t want to derail a thread where I actually agree with the Trumpet-guy on something.

[Powerdoc]

The principal made a wrong decision. If someone has to be fired or sued, it's the people who emailed tha picture. Diffusion of private picture is forbidden by the law. The moral of the school is you have the right to diffuse stolen pictures, but you do not have the right to have your breasts photographied.

If people take a picture of me naked and email it, it will sue him.

I expect that this woman will win the trial.

PS : a big congratulation to Trumptman who made a thread taking the side of a woman. . Nobody (by purpose ) congratulate him for this post, but i have to do it.

[DMBand0026]

Note to self, do not:
Shower in a public locker room
Have sex
Go to any parties
Associate with anyone who has ever exposed their God given parts
Remove any clothing, ever
Expose any midriff
Go out in public


How stupid do we get? We can't do anything anymore without fear of losing our jobs, getting kicked out of school, or being sued. Living in fear is no way to live.

[Splinemodel]

Originally posted by dmz
Whose going to hire this woman to babysit your kids?

(if you aren't a "breeder" hold your peace)

SO. . . a woman gets drunk at a private party and flashes her pair.
Oh my, she was a school teacher? The world is coming to an end.

This really upsets me as well. However, there are a lot of really Puritan people in Florida, and my best guess is that this woman is not one of them, yet lives in a town with a lot of them. It's a sad, sad twist.

I'd hire her anytime. It's not like the kids are going to get her drunk and then encourage her to flash her boobs.

A few weeks ago I was driving through Dade county looking to buy some beer on a Sunday. It's amazing how one town will tell you that you can't buy beer on Sunday, but another town, in the same county, will sell you the beer no problem.

[Gon]

I think it's self-evident how important (and under-respected & under-compensated) the teaching profession is, and how ridiculous it is to drive the few remaining good teachers away based on what they do on their free time.

The only thing keeping this sort of teaching environment afloat is the fact that there are good teachers who regard their profession as a calling and are willing to take shit to keep their jobs. They are being ripped off. Though none of this is their fault, it might be better if they didn't exist. The system would then go down in flames and had to be rebuilt instead of band-aiding it.

Here in Finland, a lot of people go to a sauna in mixed company with no clothing whatsoever. Ponder that for a few seconds and think what this supposed "moral outrage" sounds like to me.

[Kickaha]

Hey, where's Carol A to chime in on this one? It's got it all... teachers, sexual innuendo, moral outrage...

[Chinney]

Originally posted by Gon


[...]

Here in Finland, a lot of people go to a sauna in mixed company with no clothing whatsoever. Ponder that for a few seconds and think what this supposed "moral outrage" sounds like to me.

Indeed.

[Carol A]

I don't even know where to begin.

A teacher is not considered a normal person with a normal job.
A teacher cannot do things that other people get to do. It would be unseemly. It would be grounds for dismissal. I don't even know where to begin. Sigh.

A teacher cannot write letters to the editor about controversial topics. Oh well, you *CAN* write them; but be prepared for unending disapproval and subtle (and not-so-subtle) repercussions all the way up and down the line of administrators.

A (jr. high) teacher must watch EVERY single word spoken in class. Heaven forbid that a candid opinion about life in the real world slips out.

On Sept. 11, 2001, our school went into lockdown for several hours, meaning no doors could be opened for ANY reason, no one could leave or enter the room. The principal told the teachers we were NOT, repeat NOT, to talk with our students about what had happened that morning. Then he actually came around to each homeroom to make sure no such talk was happening. I mention this to show that life in the classroom is not quite 'real'.

Once at a school dance in the gym at which I was a chaperone, a polka was played, kind of as a joke. The band teacher asked me to dance, and we danced swiftly around the room. On Monday, a parent called the district office (!!!!) and complained that I, an unmarried teacher, had danced with a married teacher!!!!!

The thing is, the majority of the population of parents is normal and reasonable - by far. But all it takes is *one* ultra-conservative, self-righteous, eyebrows-continually-raised-to-the-sky parent to cause unbelievable upheaval.

A teacher out on the town does not get to act wild and crazy - what if she is (eek!) seen !!! Flashing one's breasts and having a picture taken around here would be grounds for the death penalty (ok...small, bitter joke ).

In fact, I get REALLY nervous from time to time about things I say on this board, coupled with the fact that I'm using my real name. How could I have been so stupid??!!!! Anybody else can say what they want, but not a teacher - especially not one using her *real* name. Our computers at school are monitored by the district, so I feel certain that my posts here have been read. I get SO tired of being paranoid.

Note to mod: if I change my name, will I lose all my posts?

[murbot]

Originally posted by Kickaha
Hey, where's Carol A to chime in on this one? It's got it all... teachers, sexual innuendo, moral outrage...

Maybe this WAS Carol.

heh heh

[Powerdoc]

Originally posted by Carol B
I don't even know where to begin.

A teacher is not considered a normal person with a normal job.
A teacher cannot do things that other people get to do. It would be unseemly. It would be grounds for dismissal. I don't even know where to begin. Sigh.

A teacher cannot write letters to the editor about controversial topics. Oh well, you *CAN* write them; but be prepared for unending disapproval and subtle (and not-so-subtle) repercussions all the way up and down the line of administrators.

A (jr. high) teacher must watch EVERY single word spoken in class. Heaven forbid that a candid opinion about life in the real world slips out.

On Sept. 11, 2001, our school went into lockdown for several hours, meaning no doors could be opened for ANY reason, no one could leave or enter the room. The principal told the teachers we were NOT, repeat NOT, to talk with our students about what had happened that morning. Then he actually came around to each homeroom to make sure no such talk was happening. I mention this to show that life in the classroom is not quite 'real'.

Once at a school dance in the gym at which I was a chaperone, a polka was played, kind of as a joke. The band teacher asked me to dance, and we danced swiftly around the room. On Monday, a parent called the district office (!!!!) and complained that I, an unmarried teacher, had danced with a married teacher!!!!!

The thing is, the majority of the population of parents is normal and reasonable - by far. But all it takes is *one* ultra-conservative, self-righteous, eyebrows-continually-raised-to-the-sky parent to cause unbelievable upheaval.

A teacher out on the town does not get to act wild and crazy - what if she is (eek!) seen !!! Flashing one's breasts and having a picture taken around here would be grounds for the death penalty (ok...small, bitter joke ).

In fact, I get REALLY nervous from time to time about things I say on this board, coupled with the fact that I'm using my real name. How could I have been so stupid??!!!! Anybody else can say what they want, but not a teacher - especially not one using her *real* name. Our computers at school are monitored by the district, so I feel certain that my posts here have been read. I get SO tired of being paranoid.

Note to mod: if I change my name, will I lose all my posts?

I can do it, as you can check by yourself : just PM me if you want (or if you want back your old name).

Note this is a special request for good reasons : i will not do it, just to please someone. Thanks for you understanding.

[Carol A]

Originally posted by Kickaha
Hey, where's Carol A to chime in on this one? It's got it all... teachers, sexual innuendo, moral outrage...

Damn you, Kickaha!!!!! I resemble that remark!!!

That is....I mean....er....uh, let me re-phrase that....

How DARE you!!!!! You cad! You varlet! You scoundrel! You villain! You...you...splutter... hahaha

[Carol A]

Originally posted by murbot
Maybe this WAS Carol.

heh heh

Damn you, murbot!!! Where did you come from all of a sudden???



NO!!! It was not *I* !!!!

Nyah, nyah, nyah! So there !!!!! 8)

[Carol A]

Originally posted by Gon
I think it's self-evident how important (and under-respected & under-compensated) the teaching profession is, and how ridiculous it is to drive the few remaining good teachers away based on what they do on their free time.

The only thing keeping this sort of teaching environment afloat is the fact that there are good teachers who regard their profession as a calling and are willing to take shit to keep their jobs. They are being ripped off. Though none of this is their fault, it might be better if they didn't exist. The system would then go down in flames and had to be rebuilt instead of band-aiding it.

Here in Finland, a lot of people go to a sauna in mixed company with no clothing whatsoever. Ponder that for a few seconds and think what this supposed "moral outrage" sounds like to me.

Hi Gon -

Uh, guess what? I am half Finnish. My dad is 100% Finnish, though born in the US. His father was born in Finland. My dad's first language was Finnish, though I don't speak any at all. I've never been to Finland either.

This whole repressed-sexuality thing in America comes right down to us from the Puritans. England got rid of them, and they washed up on our shores, to our unending misfortune. What a sad, sad turn of events.

[kneelbeforezod]

Originally posted by trumptman
I saw this and thought, that isn't right.

Absolutely agree. How the hell is this her employer's business?

Originally posted by dmz
if you aren't a "breeder" hold your peace

Why so? Since when are adoptive parents not entitled to have an opinion?

[Carol A]

Originally posted by Powerdoc
I can do it, as you can check by yourself : just PM me if you want (or if you want back your old name).

Note this is a special request for good reasons : i will not do it, just to please someone. Thanks for you understanding.

Dear Powerdoc -

You are very sweet to offer to help. Thank you.

However, I don't think "Carol B" is much of a disguise. heh.

I've used my real name because I find it troublesome to come up with another name that I can live with.

Anybody have any suggestions?

(BE NICE NOW, YOU GUYS !!!!!)

How about 'Jamie'? I've always liked that name.

But then everyone will think I'm a guy, right? Sigh.

[Powerdoc]

Originally posted by Carol B
Dear Powerdoc -

You are very sweet to offer to help. Thank you.

However, I don't think "Carol B" is much of a disguise. heh.

I've used my real name because I find it troublesome to come up with another name that I can live with.

Anybody have any suggestions?

(BE NICE NOW, YOU GUYS !!!!!)

How about 'Jamie'? I've always liked that name.

But then everyone will think I'm a guy, right? Sigh.

Carol B, was not a real disguise, but just a test
I am going to bed now, (because it's late for me), take your time to find a name you love. Internet is perhaps one of the only place where we can choose our names.

And yes it's scary, all the things that we can say about us on Internet

[ast3r3x]

Haha he first thing I thought when I read this article a couple days ago I thought of CarolA.

[alcimedes]

hmm, someone should teach carol how to log onto a remote machine for posting. i know when i worked at a job that monitored what you looked at online, i just set it up to log into my machine at home using terminal services. of course, that was windows, but i'm sure there's a way to do it.

nice thing was it only showed me looking at a single web page the entire day. one of the best employees around!

my supervisor and i were pretty close, and she didn't believe me when i told her. so she and i went through a pile of restricted sites, then she pulled my records from their monitoring software. NOTHING.

good stuff.

[Kickaha]

You just *know* that suddenly Van Halen is cool in that school again...

"Got it bad, got it bad, got it bad..."

[Carol A]

Originally posted by ast3r3x
Haha he first thing I thought when I read this article a couple days ago I thought of CarolA.

Damnation!

Definitely time for a name change!

[Carol A]

Originally posted by alcimedes
hmm, someone should teach carol how to log onto a remote machine for posting. i know when i worked at a job that monitored what you looked at online, i just set it up to log into my machine at home using terminal services. of course, that was windows, but i'm sure there's a way to do it.

nice thing was it only showed me looking at a single web page the entire day. one of the best employees around!

my supervisor and i were pretty close, and she didn't believe me when i told her. so she and i went through a pile of restricted sites, then she pulled my records from their monitoring software. NOTHING.

good stuff.

I don't post from work anymore. But I used to. I'm so fatalistic and paranoid that I imagine the district has a file an inch thick of my messageboard posts and personal emails. All it would take would be *one* slightly inappropriate post......

Oh well. There are only 'so' many things a person can worry about at any given time. But I probably 'should' at least change my name. Like closing the barn door after the horse has already escaped. Sigh.