All blue states connect with Canada!!!

[jamac]

There is a definitive border when all blue states are connected.
The US of CANADA is born.

[Jubelum]

Just don't go lunging for Terence and Philip, Mmmmkay.

Although Satan and SH are GWBs biggest enemies.

BLAME CANADA!

[Paul]

Not going to happen, but if New York and California ceded to Canada the "US" economy would disappear... However, gas prices in those states would hit $6/gallon like Europe. The rest of the "states" would have an extremely low price, like $1/gallon.

I think a worldwide trade boycott for American exports and a boycott on imports to American market could prove to be an extremely powerful influence...

Too bad thats even more unlikely then New England and the left coast joining up with Canada.

[Frank777]

It's always funny to hear uninformed Americans talk about Canada like it's some sort of paradise, particularly because they think we have "free" health care.

Canada's a good country, both to live in and be proud of. But we used to be "great" instead of just good.

Canada has its own set of problems and challenges. To pick one of them, trying boasting about your "free" health care system when the waiting list for some transplant operations exceed six months. There are people literally dying because we prefer to maintain an illusion, rather than deal with the problem.

Just be happy about where you live and do your best to improve your community through hard work and volunteerism. The ability for the U.S. President to fix even some of your problems is an illusion in itself.

[timmy o'tool]

Unfortunately, the ability of a U.S president to make problems worse is not an illusion.

[InactionMan]

I'll admit our health care system needs a bit of tweaking right now but I'm still damn happy to have the half-broken system then none at all.

I'd love to have to blue states join Canada. Let the religious nuts have their dust bowl.

[Splinemodel]

Of course, California has a very popular republican governor, and I would argue is a very fiscally conservative state when given the chance. Ahnold was doing quite well in the polls, last I checked. Quite frankly, I would rather have him in the White House than either Bush or Kerry.

Down with the economic girlie men.

[JimDreamworx]

http://zapatopi.net/cascadia.html

[shetline]

Originally posted by JimDreamworx
http://zapatopi.net/cascadia.html

Metric time?

[JimDreamworx]

Don't worry. Houses will still be quoted in real estate ads as having "square feet" and lumber stores will still sell "2 by 4s", just like that northern Metric country of Canada.

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
I've thought about this before our side's wrist-slashing in the elections last night. The upper midwest and northeast states could very well secede from the United States and join Canada. It's not *likely* to happen-- but it makes sense. Of course that means we'd be dicking over the blue-voting people who unfortunately live in the red states. But man. What a dream.

It makes sense in the twisted dream world you live in. It's as bad as Bob Beckel saying the South should just secede. This is the Democratic solution....don't try to win the South Midwest and West...just mock everyone that lives there.

[Towel]

Originally posted by SDW2001
....don't try to win the South Midwest and West...just mock everyone that lives there.

How hard did Bush campaign in CA, NY or MA? Does "out-of-the-mainstream Massachusetts liberal" ring any bells? Did you *ever* hear Kerry mock Texas or any other "red" state?

[the cool gut]

Originally posted by Towel
How hard did Bush campaign in CA, NY or MA? Does "out-of-the-mainstream Massachusetts liberal" ring any bells? Did you *ever* hear Kerry mock Texas or any other "red" state?

The sad part for the states is, practically all the States that "pay the bills" are Blue, and they have to live with a President voted in by people who really don't give a shit about the economy, because they just want to get into heaven.

[Outsider]

Why should New England secede and join Canada? The USNE! With NY, PA, and NJ to boot.

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by Towel
How hard did Bush campaign in CA, NY or MA? Does "out-of-the-mainstream Massachusetts liberal" ring any bells? Did you *ever* hear Kerry mock Texas or any other "red" state?

I think you've missed the point. There are certainly states that are tough for both parties. Everyone knows Bush was going to lose MA and Kerry was going to lose TX. That's not the point. The point is that from the statements and actions of many Dems, they are actually ANGRY at people in the red states, and especially in the South. Instead of taking a hard look at WHY they lost the entire South and Midwest, and almost lost WI and MI, they are making aggressive statements and seething with anger. Bob Beckel's statement is a prime example. I know people here that feel the same way. It's a real resentment of entire geographic areas and their populations...and large ones at that. They're not going to win elections like that.

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by SDW2001
It makes sense in the twisted dream world you live in. It's as bad as Bob Beckel saying the South should just secede. This is the Democratic solution....don't try to win the South Midwest and West...just mock everyone that lives there.

I was born and raised in the South, and while I am offended everytime I hear a collegue of mine suggest that "we should have let them go," in point of fact the nature of american politics and the somewhat insistent "us versus them" culture that breeds Republicanism is a direct consequence of the Civil War and the politics that grew out of it.

[SpcMs]

[the cool gut]

OMG that is the fucking funniest thing I've seen EVAH!

Holy fuck is that funny, praise god.

[jamac]

Originally posted by the cool gut


Holy fuck

That is what god did to Mary.

[Xool]

I am concerned about Bush instating the draft, extending the war to yet another country, Iran, limiting civil liberties, and completely biasing the Supreme Court for years to come.

Granted, he hasn't done these things yet.

What does concern me, is how gullible some people are. I believe that many republicans came out of the wood work due to Republican scare tactics, like "A vote for Kerry will make you gay, and everyone on every corner will start marrying in hedonist sin!" Bible thumpers and others rush out in droves to keep dudes from kissing other dudes.

Yes, it wasn't just the bible thumpers, but they pushed it over the edge.

Damn you Republicans and your fear mongering!
*sigh*

Glad I live in a blue state.

[shetline]

Originally posted by SpcMs

The scary thing about this geographical set-up is that I think most of our nuclear missile silos are out in the midwest. I wouldn't want to trust a country where a sizeable majority believes "the end times are near" with the power for self-fulfilling prophecy. It's scary enough having Bush in charge.

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by shetline
The scary thing about this geographical set-up is that I think most of our nuclear missile silos are out in the midwest. I wouldn't want to trust a country where a sizeable majority believes "the end times are near" with the power for self-fulfilling prophecy. It's scary enough having Bush in charge.

Yes, I've thought for along time that revelations is really a macbeth.

[Frank777]

Originally posted by shetline
The scary thing about this geographical set-up is that I think most of our nuclear missile silos are out in the midwest. I wouldn't want to trust a country where a sizeable majority believes "the end times are near" with the power for self-fulfilling prophecy. It's scary enough having Bush in charge.

It's nice to see that AI's stupidity quotient is in no danger of falling.

Is this really the best you can do?
Spreading FUD about a group of religious people you disagree with politically?

"Fundamentalist Christians" have been around since the Puritans landed. How many apocalyptic wars have they encouraged? (Answer that, as usual, while ignoring the fact they've been the biggest supporters of isolationist policy instead.)

Iraq has NOTHING to do with end-time scenarios. If all your biblical knowledge comes from reading books like the Left Behind series, power to you. But your ignorance is no excuse for insulting religious mid-westerners.

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by Frank777
It's nice to see that AI's stupidity quotient is in no danger of falling.

Is this really the best you can do?
Spreading FUD about a group of religious people you disagree with politically?

"Fundamentalist Christians" have been around since the Puritans landed. How many apocalyptic wars have they encouraged? (Answer that, as usual, while ignoring the fact they've been the biggest supporters of isolationist policy instead.)

Iraq has NOTHING to do with end-time scenarios. If all your biblical knowledge comes from reading books like the Left Behind series, power to you. But your ignorance is no excuse for insulting religious mid-westerners.

The trouble is, every denomination has a different interpretation of the end time scenario, so you can mock all you like, but really you're not acknowledging that there are denominations that really believe this.

When your personal interpretation is not supported by any evidence, what justification can you have that someone elses interpretation is wrong?

[Frank777]

Originally posted by MarcUK
The trouble is, every denomination has a different interpretation of the end time scenario, so you can mock all you like, but really you're not acknowledging that there are denominations that really believe this.

When your personal interpretation is not supported by any evidence, what justification can you have that someone elses interpretation is wrong?

Well, mr. sun god expert,

Let's hear one, JUST ONE, end time scenario, promoted by any Christian denomination anywhere on the planet, that involved the need for the American invasion, occupation and democratization of Iraq.

Again, just one, from any church, anywhere.

[Towel]

Originally posted by Frank777
Again, just one, from any church, anywhere.

Apostolics? No one's trying to insult religious folks (which most of us are, anyway), but in a nation of 300 million undergoing a major religious revival, lots of crazy people exist. The difference now is their level of access - and, you might argue, that their numbers may include the Pres. himself.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Originally posted by shetline
The scary thing about this geographical set-up is that I think most of our nuclear missile silos are out in the midwest. I wouldn't want to trust a country where a sizeable majority believes "the end times are near" with the power for self-fulfilling prophecy. It's scary enough having Bush in charge.

Ladies and gentlemen, I announce my new sig.

[Scott]

Does it strike anyone that the party that says it has a "big tent" and embraces "diversity" is really just a bunch of religious bigots?

[BuonRotto]

You mean bigoted towards religion or bigoted in the name of religion?

[bryan.fury]

"We are one nation," the newborn star of Democrats, Senator-elect Barack Obama, exclaimed, even as every salient fact of political life belied him. Well might he invoke Lincoln, for not since the Civil war has the fault line between its two halves been so glaringly clear, nor the chasm between its two cultures so starkly unbridgeable. Even territorially (with the exception of Florida, its peninsular finger pointing expectantly at tottering Cuba), the two Americas are topographically coherent and almost contiguous. One of those Americas is a perimeter, lying on the oceans or athwart the fuzzy boundary with the Canadian lakes, and is necessarily porous and outward-looking. The other America, whether montagnard or prairie, is solidly continental and landlocked, its tap roots of obstinate self-belief buried deep beneath the bluegrass and the high corn. It is time we called those two Americas something other than Republican and Democrat, for their mutual alienation and unforgiving contempt is closer to Sunni and Shia, or (in Indian terms) Muslim and Hindu. How about, then, Godly America and Worldly America ?

from here

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Originally posted by Scott
Does it strike anyone that the party that says it has a "big tent" and embraces "diversity" is really just a bunch of religious bigots?

You are loving this gloating, aren't you?

[Frank777]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
You are loving this gloating, aren't you?

Scott, SDW and Trumpt have taken it from all sides for the past four years.
They deserve to enjoy it for awhile.

[bryan.fury]

Originally posted by Frank777
Scott, SDW and Trumpt have taken it from all sides for the past four years.
They deserve to enjoy it for awhile.

yeah, but enough is enough

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Ladies and gentlemen, I announce my new sig.

I think George should refrain from his closing salute of "God Bless America"

Better would be "God Help America"

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by bryan.fury
yeah, but enough is enough

there is "absolute truth" if there ever was such a thing.

[jamac]

Oh that's why they need Bible Study.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
You are loving this gloating, aren't you?

I don't really think I'm gloating that much. In fact I try hard not to. I just see a bunch or people here so locked into their thinking they have no ability to understand the other side of the fence. Just smug insults. I think a 2008 victory is guaranteed because left fringe of the democrats will only push away those votes they can get to win. Why would you vote for someone that has been insulting you for 8 years?

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by Scott
I don't really think I'm gloating that much. In fact I try hard not to. I just see a bunch or people here so locked into their thinking they have no ability to understand the other side of the fence. Just smug insults. I think a 2008 victory is guaranteed because left fringe of the democrats will only push away those votes they can get to win. Why would you vote for someone that has been insulting you for 8 years?

How much of the other side of the fence do you understand? And you've been insulting eveyone for the 3 years I've been here.

[addabox]

Originally posted by Scott
I don't really think I'm gloating that much. In fact I try hard not to. I just see a bunch or people here so locked into their thinking they have no ability to understand the other side of the fence. Just smug insults. I think a 2008 victory is guaranteed because left fringe of the democrats will only push away those votes they can get to win. Why would you vote for someone that has been insulting you for 8 years?

Exactly. Which is why as the natural liberal constituency continues to grow with the changing demographics of America, we we'll soon be shaking our heads sadly as you and yours fail to adapt. If you really think the future of America is in the politics of aging white rural populations, you are in for a very rude awakening.

How have I been characterized this political season? I'm hardly fit for citizenship, I'm a treasonous, weak, double dealing fag loving godless Barbara Streisand worshipping terrorist supporter working tirelessly to destroy America because I hate it so much. In between bouts of whining and bedwetting I can be relied upon to spit in the face of all morality, family, hard work and God, because it goes without saying that I despise all those things. Any ideas I might have about restraining the worst aspects of greed and corruption in my government can be attributed to my intense jealousy of those who are willing to work hard to make something of themselves.

But my worst failing? I have failed to share the love with those that think that of me. You know, real Americans. I should be grateful they let me live here,
with my pathetic 48% of the electorate. I need to "understand" them, because God knows, they're never going to have anything but contempt for me.

I'll be lucky if I can get through the next four years without getting my ass kicked if I step outside of California, but the problem is my intolerance.

You people are such fucking hypocrites. You're so used to thinking of liberalism as being synonymous with pussy you think you're being generous when you dictate terms of surrender and don't just call for our mass expulsion.

I predict you're going to have a very hard time dealing with a for real opposition party that plays rough. An opposition that asserts itself as "America" per se. That starts to treat you and yours as the aliens outside the American experience looking in. You'll bitch and moan about all the "hatred" and "bitterness".

Oh, sorry, you've already started.

[burningwheel]

Originally posted by Frank777

Canada has its own set of problems and challenges. To pick one of them, trying boasting about your "free" health care system when the waiting list for some transplant operations exceed six months. There are people literally dying because we prefer to maintain an illusion, rather than deal with the problem.

Huh? that's not long at all, most organs you have wait 5 years for here in the US. i had to wait almost 4 years to get my double lung tranplant and many others i know wait 1-2 years, but some less. it just depends on what part of the country you live in. organ donation is a serious problem. i just wish people/families would do something unselfish at the end, and donate their organs.