Apple planning host of iPhone updates before Leopard release - report - Page 2

wally007 · 07-01-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by planetWC

Doesn't matter, Flash is out there on web sites. So your solution instead is to just NOT allow safair to render it?
Making a lot of websites useless? Not a smart idea.

Exactly ... especially now when Apple advertize iPhone's Safari as "real internet". How real is this when i cant even check my website with it ? ( I'm using Flash intro and flash nav bar )

huntercr · 07-01-2007, 07:47 PM

No, youtibe for iphone will not use flash. Rememeber they are reencoding yourubt in H.264 for AppleTV. iphone will use this too. Much more efficient for battery life since the H.264 decode is on hardware, while flash would have to use main CPU.

Guybrush Threepwood · 07-01-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mstone

Flash is just a tool. Its merit, or lack there of, all depends on who is creating the program. Hopefully along with enabling Flash, they will also provide a way to turn it off.

1. Porn
2. Predators
3. Spam
4. Viruses
5. Identity Theft
6. Gambling
7. Software Piracy

Flash didn't make into my worst 5.

m

Funny.

Four of those on your list are in my Top Five...

dstranathan · 07-01-2007, 07:49 PM

Flash will come. After all, youtube.com uses Flash.

huntercr · 07-01-2007, 07:50 PM

BTW hey submitter, what's with the reverse format in your headline?

That headline should read "Source: Apple planning host of iphone updates..."

not the way you have it. or "Apple planning host of iphone updates, says Source"

Just putting in my 2 cents.

mstone · 07-01-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by solipsism

Flash need to go away. I think they are pushing away from proprietary formats despite its ubiquity.

You mean like Quicktime and AAC?

Guybrush Threepwood · 07-01-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by planetWC

As of July 1st it will be illegal in california, home to all those Apple employees with iPhones to use their iPhones in their autos UNLESS there is handsfree use.

Actually, it starts in 2008.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=politics

SpamSandwich · 07-01-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by planetWC

As of July 1st it will be illegal in california, home to all those Apple employees with iPhones to use their iPhones in their autos UNLESS there is handsfree use.

That means Voice dialing, NOT touch dialing. How could they miss such a key feature?
They have the bluetooth headsets, why no handsfree dialing? It is a fundamental here.

Perhaps they are planning an alliance with WildFire? This would allow for a host of options with no hardware or software upgrade.

Hattig · 07-01-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by planetWC

Doesn't matter, Flash is out there on web sites. So your solution instead is to just NOT allow safair to render it?
Making a lot of websites useless? Not a smart idea.

It should be "tap to download and run" regardless.

Who wants to wait ages for umpteen flash adverts to load on a website? Yet it would be nice to play some of the Flash games and browse some of the Flash websites (although I suspect that they will work horribly).

Hattig · 07-01-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wally007

Exactly ... especially now when Apple advertize iPhone's Safari as "real internet". How real is this when i cant even check my website with it ? ( I'm using Flash intro and flash nav bar )

"Click here to bypass introduction"

and a JavaScript check for flash that writes out either the flash code, or proper, decent, standards compliant HTML code for you navigation bar.

Some people just don't know where to use a technology ...

Slewis · 07-01-2007, 08:18 PM

Null.

msantti · 07-01-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by k2director

How about sticking to the basics, Apple, and helping AT&T work out its phone activation process. It could definitely use a whole lot of bug-testing.

40 hours and counting!

Are you coming from another service and transfering a number?

I was existing AT&T and was activated in like less than 3 minutes.

PBG4 Dude · 07-01-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by onlooker

I also have the stocks widget loaded up with a bunch of family owned stocks, and personal ones.

Now if you could only set up multiple portfolios and flip through them like you do with multiple weather forecasts, the Stocks applet would be top-notch for me. I'd love to have a panel for each of my investment groups.

mrjoec123 · 07-01-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by planetWC

Doesn't matter, Flash is out there on web sites. So your solution instead is to just NOT allow safair to render it?
Making a lot of websites useless? Not a smart idea.

Not making a lot of sites useless. Making lazy designers stick to open standards and sites that degrade properly. And keeping the Microsofts and Adobes of the world from doing to the web what they've done on the desktop. I applaud Apple's embracing standards on iPhone.

This is how they beat Microsoft with the iPod. Screw Plays for Sure. Screw Windows Media. MP3 and AAC are both open standards that Microsoft can't control.

So screw Flash and screw Exchange. If any device ever had the potential to end the Exchange monopoly, it would be the iPhone I'm using to type this.

Ireland · 07-01-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by solipsism

Yep. I expect to see a new iPhone OS X build about every week with bug fixes and a new feature.

I'm sure you meant to say every month, if you didn't then I disagree with your time framing. Every week just wouldn't make much sense.

mrjoec123 · 07-01-2007, 08:44 PM

It's so ironic that people are calling anything that doesn't use Microsoft Exchange insecure. Are we all forgetting that Microsoft Outlook, connected to an Exchange server, is how 90% of the world's computer viruses are spread?

exboy99 · 07-01-2007, 08:49 PM

K2director -

My activation took almost 24 hours

try resetting your iphone. press the sleep wake button and the home button at the same time
hold them till it resets/shuts down.

also try pulling out of the docking cradle and then resetting it and placing it back in the cradle.
I'm not sure if those things helped my activation or it was just a coincident.... but having to wait
soo long is unacceptable...... unbelievable.

good luck.... I know the feeling and sux.

i can tell you that now that my phone finally works it's soo sweet.
the long wait and patience is worth the wait..... but I want answers
as to WHY/what went wrong.

can't wait for updates to the iphone, I love everything so far.

Sabon · 07-01-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mrjoec123

It's so ironic that people are calling anything that doesn't use Microsoft Exchange insecure. Are we all forgetting that Microsoft Outlook, connected to an Exchange server, is how 90% of the world's computer viruses are spread?

Actually you don't need Exchange to be insecure. Just using Outlook on a Windows computer and I think it more like 99% of viruses. Outlook should be banned.

mstone · 07-01-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood

Four of those on your list are in my Top Five...

You are certainly not alone, which may explain in part why these somewhat deviant activities have become so prevalent.

southerndoc · 07-01-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by k2director

How about sticking to the basics, Apple, and helping AT&T work out its phone activation process. It could definitely use a whole lot of bug-testing.

40 hours and counting!

If you are a new AT&T customer, and if you have a lock on your credit reports, then that could be the problem.

Any idea if voice dialing will be added in a software update? That is one lacking feature this phone desperately needs! I've become accustomed to using voice dialing with my Bluetooth earpiece while driving.

wally007 · 07-01-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hattig

"Click here to bypass introduction"

and a JavaScript check for flash that writes out either the flash code, or proper, decent, standards compliant HTML code for you navigation bar.

Some people just don't know where to use a technology ...

I'm talking about "me" own personal site .... no need to bother with browser/plugin check , everyone i know HAS Flash , except "real internet" device called iPhone.

Slewis · 07-01-2007, 09:25 PM

Null.

Slewis · 07-01-2007, 09:37 PM

Null.

meelash · 07-01-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkRail

Hands down, this is the finest version 1.0 product I've ever owned.

The predicted updates will be great, but I suspect anyone who has used one of these for a couple of hours is already sold for life. I'm one of those lucky souls who bought AAPL around $8 (it was actually $16 pre-split) and playing with this iPhone has convinced me it will double again before next January's Jobsnote. Happy days indeed.

Bring on the mobile file access (hopefully through .Mac and coverflow) and all sorts of other neat features. But if you are WAITING for this stuff before buying an iPhone, you're missing out big-time. This thing is a revelation.

FYI: This was typed [quickly and with two thumbs] on my iPhone

ooooh, stop rubbing it in!

meelash · 07-01-2007, 09:48 PM

This article just disappeared from the AI front page?

Billy Boo Bob · 07-01-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by planetWC

As of July 1st it will be illegal in california, home to all those Apple employees with iPhones to use their iPhones in their autos UNLESS there is handsfree use.

That means Voice dialing, NOT touch dialing. How could they miss such a key feature?
They have the bluetooth headsets, why no handsfree dialing? It is a fundamental here.

C'Mon... With Apple being based in CA, you don't think they know about this???

In AT&T's Employee Training Manual (PDF Link) they mention:

Features available post activation via Customer Care or OLAM:
Early N&W

Roadside assistance

International data (new feature being created)

International calling (AT&T WorldConnect)

Voice Dial

iPhone Data Plan with 1500 or Unlimited M2M SMS

Answer Tones

BTW, this thing has some pretty useful info in it for users, even if it was designed for sales staff and pre-iDay.

[Edit]:
Ok. I found the monthly rates (these are with my current plan which uses a basic no-frills LG phone... Don't know it it's any different with iPhone):

Early Nights and Weekends (7pm to 7am) - $8.99

Roadside assistance - $2.99

International data (new feature being created)
(Not sure if it's the same thing, but...)
- International Long Distance Text Message - $9.99

International calling (AT&T WorldConnect) - Not mentioned in my price list.

Voice Activated Dialing - $4.99

iPhone Data Plan with 1500 or Unlimited M2M SMS - As seen already in price lists.

Answer Tones - Not mentioned

Now everyone can change their bitch-fest (which I will join right along with) to how it will cost them an additional 5 bucks a month for voice dial. Probably another "demand" from AT&T... "You (Apple) demand this and that from us??? Well, we then demand that we collect $ for these services..."

mstone · 07-02-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Slewis

Open standards. Quicktime's MOV container (which I believe is Part 12 since Part 14 is based on Part 12) served as the basis for the MP4 container (which is Part 14 of the MPEG-4 standards suite) and AAC (Part 3) replaced AC3.

And Jedi are the same as Ninja except they don't speak Japanese

wilco · 07-02-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mstone

You are certainly not alone, which may explain in part why these somewhat deviant activities have become so prevalent.

Slewis · 07-02-2007, 09:51 AM

Null.

valanchan · 07-02-2007, 11:39 AM

Back to Mac.

To be able to browse your home Mac through the internet would be great on the iPhone.

webmail · 07-02-2007, 01:22 PM

So twist the law around to suite your desires? I live here in california "home of people" with cellphones.

For your freaking information the LAW NEVER EVER has covered dialing the number with your hands, NOR will it ever. The law in lame speak says "That you will be required to NOT have your handset to your ear or be texting on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetWC

As of July 1st it will be illegal in california, home to all those Apple employees with iPhones to use their iPhones in their autos UNLESS there is handsfree use.

That means Voice dialing, NOT touch dialing. How could they miss such a key feature?
They have the bluetooth headsets, why no handsfree dialing? It is a fundamental here.

TenoBell · 07-02-2007, 03:42 PM

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You mean like Quicktime and AAC?

The codec QT uses and AAC are open standard. QT has no equivalent proprietary codec like Windows Media.

aegisdesign · 07-02-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TenoBell

The codec QT uses and AAC are open standard. QT has no equivalent proprietary codec like Windows Media.

Yes it does.

Sorenson is weirdly still used by some people and there's also Apple Pixlet, Quicktime can wrap around both open and proprietary codecs. You can wrap a DivX even with a quicktime wrapper.

Both aren't particularly widespread with most people using MPEG derived standards but Quicktime can be proprietary.

planetWC · 07-02-2007, 07:11 PM

SB1613 would:

Require motorists to use a hands-free device when using a cell phone while driving.

Impose a $20 fine for a first offense, $50 for subsequent offenses.

Exempt emergency personnel, farm vehicle operators, tow truck drivers and commercial truck drivers.

Exempt motorists making 911 calls.

In ANY case smart@ss it would be a lot safer to be dialing using voice dial than looking at a touchdisplay and finger dialing. Hands down easier and safer. Why $49 phones have voice dialing but the $600 iPhone doesn't is plain stupid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by webmail

So twist the law around to suite your desires? I live here in california "home of people" with cellphones.

For your freaking information the LAW NEVER EVER has covered dialing the number with your hands, NOR will it ever. The law in lame speak says "That you will be required to NOT have your handset to your ear or be texting on it.

TenoBell · 07-03-2007, 12:09 AM

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Yes it does.

I guess you have to be super specific. Sorenson isn't an Apple codec. Apple isn't pushing its use. Windows Media is own by Microsoft who is attempting to dominate the world with it.

southerndoc · 07-03-2007, 12:48 AM

When I logged on to my AT&T account, there was an option to add voice dialing. It's $5/month and requires you to dial *8 prior to announcing the name.

That's a no go. It's just as easy to access my contact favorites as it is to access the keypad.

Hopefully Apple will add it in a future software update.

bavlondon2 · 07-03-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Slewis

Bluetooth is how phone viruses spread. It's not really THAT much of a problem, but I still lock down Bluetooth when it's not being used.

Sebastian

Like any form of wireless communications there is a risk involved. However most only use this function when doing something specific like transfer of a file. I dont really see your argument as if your not doing a specific thing using BT then it shouldnt be on anyway. Why would you want to leave it on if your not making use of it. Your only draining your battery.

aegisdesign · 07-03-2007, 07:59 AM

Who's going to write an iPhone virus bearing in mind there's no development tools, no compiler, no SDK?

Even then, Apple could simply block .app file transfer and the .apps are signed anyway.

A virus is the most unconvincing argument EVAH! for blocking off bluetooth file transfer of songs and pictures. I'd guess Apple just haven't worked out the fine details yet in their media sharing functionality. It'll be like iTunes/iPhoto sharing via Bonjour over Bluetooth/WiFi when it's done.

SpinDrift · 07-03-2007, 08:03 AM

Although I really want an iPhone and I'd gladly go out and buy this version today, at least when the iPhone does come to the UK this autumn, we should have a full feature set and any bugs will be ironed out!

aegisdesign · 07-03-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SpinDrift

Although I really want an iPhone and I'd gladly go out and buy this version today, at least when the iPhone does come to the UK this autumn, we should have a full feature set and any bugs will be ironed out!

My thoughts exactly. A few million Mercan test patsies should iron out a lot of bugs before we get it.

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meelash Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,017	This article just disappeared from the AI front page? Ain't it funny how countries we "liberate" promptly descend into crime and civil war-Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. ? Countries the "violent Islamists" subjugate end up peaceful, crime-free, and self-sustaining-Somalia,Afghanistan pre-U.S. ?

07-01-2007, 07:47 PM	#42
huntercr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 44	No, youtibe for iphone will not use flash. Rememeber they are reencoding yourubt in H.264 for AppleTV. iphone will use this too. Much more efficient for battery life since the H.264 decode is on hardware, while flash would have to use main CPU.

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huntercr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 44	BTW hey submitter, what's with the reverse format in your headline? That headline should read "Source: Apple planning host of iphone updates..." not the way you have it. or "Apple planning host of iphone updates, says Source" Just putting in my 2 cents.

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mrjoec123 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 222	It's so ironic that people are calling anything that doesn't use Microsoft Exchange insecure. Are we all forgetting that Microsoft Outlook, connected to an Exchange server, is how 90% of the world's computer viruses are spread?

07-01-2007, 08:49 PM	#57
exboy99 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1	K2director - My activation took almost 24 hours try resetting your iphone. press the sleep wake button and the home button at the same time hold them till it resets/shuts down. also try pulling out of the docking cradle and then resetting it and placing it back in the cradle. I'm not sure if those things helped my activation or it was just a coincident.... but having to wait soo long is unacceptable...... unbelievable. good luck.... I know the feeling and sux. i can tell you that now that my phone finally works it's soo sweet. the long wait and patience is worth the wait..... but I want answers as to WHY/what went wrong. can't wait for updates to the iphone, I love everything so far.

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Slewis Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,077	Null. Þ & þ are called "Thorn" & þey represent þe sound you've associated "th" wiþ since þe 13þ or 14þ century. I'm bringing it back. <(=_=)> (>=_=)> <(=_=<) ^(=_=^) (^=_=)^ ^(=_=)^ +(=_=)+ Last edited by Slewis; 11-09-2008 at 09:41 AM..

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valanchan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 34	Back to Mac. To be able to browse your home Mac through the internet would be great on the iPhone.

07-03-2007, 12:48 AM	#76
southerndoc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 214	When I logged on to my AT&T account, there was an option to add voice dialing. It's $5/month and requires you to dial *8 prior to announcing the name. That's a no go. It's just as easy to access my contact favorites as it is to access the keypad. Hopefully Apple will add it in a future software update.

07-03-2007, 07:59 AM	#78
aegisdesign Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,914	Who's going to write an iPhone virus bearing in mind there's no development tools, no compiler, no SDK? Even then, Apple could simply block .app file transfer and the .apps are signed anyway. A virus is the most unconvincing argument EVAH! for blocking off bluetooth file transfer of songs and pictures. I'd guess Apple just haven't worked out the fine details yet in their media sharing functionality. It'll be like iTunes/iPhoto sharing via Bonjour over Bluetooth/WiFi when it's done.

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SpinDrift Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 653	Although I really want an iPhone and I'd gladly go out and buy this version today, at least when the iPhone does come to the UK this autumn, we should have a full feature set and any bugs will be ironed out!

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