Apple begins shipping quad-core 27-inch iMac models

[AppleInsider]

Apple's top-of-the-line 27-inch iMacs, powered with Intel quad-core processors, have begun shipping to those who purchased the machines in October, AppleInsider has learned.

Readers have said that Apple has notified them that their hardware has finally shipped from Shanghai. One order said to have been placed a day after the systems were announced was processed last week and shipped Monday.

When they were announced in October, the new Core i5 and i7 quad-core Intel-powered machines were said by Apple to ship in November. The new iMac sports a massive 27-inch screen with a LED backlight, 16:9 ratio, and 2560x1440 pixel resolution.

The 27-inch 2.66 GHz Core i5 750 iMac has a suggested retail price of $1,999. Apple also offers a build-to-order option for $200 more with a 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 860 processor. Both quad-core iMacs include 8MB of L3 cache, and Apple benchmarks the high-end "Nehalem" Core i7 as being 2.4 times faster than the Core 2 Duo. In all, the systems include:

27-inch 2560 x 1440 LED-backlit display
2.66 GHz Intel Core i5 quad-core processor with 8MB shared L3 cache
4GB 1066 MHz DDR3 SDRAM expandable to 16GB
ATI Radeon HD 4850 discrete graphics; with 512MB GDDR3
1TB Serial ATA hard drive running at 7200 rpm
A slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD+ / -R DL/DVD+ / -RW/CD-RW)

Mini DisplayPort for video input and output (adapters sold separately)
Built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11n wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.1+EDR
Built-in iSight video camera
Gigabit Ethernet port
Four USB 2.0 ports
One FireWire 800 port
SD card slot
Built-in stereo speakers and microphone
Wireless Apple Keyboard, Magic Mouse.
Discounted prices on the new iMac systems are available via the AppleInsider Mac Pricing Guide:

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[DanielSW]

The iMac sure has grown up over the years!

We bought one of the first ones (purple), but very under-powered.

The "desklamp" one was innovative for its time, but too gimmicky for our tastes.

Then we bought an aluminum 24" iMac a year and a half ago and were very impressed with its looks, its beautiful big screen, and its decent performance.

We have been planning on holding out for the next Mac Pro and thinking of getting two. But now my wife is so impressed with the quad-core 27" and with being able to put 16GB of RAM into it that she now wants one instead of a Pro.

I love this new aluminum milling process. Really durable and beautiful, and it helps with heat dissipation which results in only occasional fan noise.

[RoboNerd]

These new iMacs are about the best value I've ever seen in a Mac, especially given the displays. This makes me wonder what's in store for the Mac Pro refresh, when it comes.

[MacTripper]

I would wait to buy if your one or any of the following:


1: Novice or new computer user with no local support

2: Located quite some distance from a Apple Store or Authorized Repair and have to use the mails or other rather rough shipping methods.


The reasons are simple, this is a new machine, with a new quad core processor that creates more heat in a iMac that never had one before. We vets have seen this before, fan speeds are set too low or make annoying revving sounds and require a firmware update to compensate.

For instance the eMac's fans sounded like a vacuum cleaner was running, the PowerMac G5's fans would rev up and down and be very annoying. So I expect the same sort of behavior to occur with the iMac getting twice the processor power in a similar size and very enclosed case, thus the possible need for higher or revving fan speeds.

Snow Leopard is also rather new and bug prone and a lot of third party software isn't up to speed on it yet. If you have no local support, your on your own if you don't have any experience and this can be quite a chore for the new/novice computer user.

And with the iMac, unlike the MacPro, you have to send the whole machine in for service. Any personal data on a failed machine is going to be observed and possibly copied by service personal. At least with MacPro one can remove the hard drive and pay Apple for another one when undergoing repair if need be.

So if you can wait a few months, do so. Just to let the kinks get worked out and review the online recommendations for a better Mac computing experience.

Everything new has it's share of unforeseen problems and Mac's are no different.


Also you might want to wait until the 27" anti-glare films are available from third party sources, the reflections may murder your eyes. There is a video on YouTube showing how easy it is to apply.

[CheeseRations]

I wonder when the "standard" 27" iMacs with the upgrade (ATI Radeon HD 4850) video card will ship. This was previously what was holding out shipments of both models, but now that the quad-core is shipping, I'm surprised that the regular 27" isn't shipping as well.

[brucep]

Originally Posted by DanielSW

The iMac sure has grown up over the years!

We bought one of the first ones (purple), but very under-powered.

The "desklamp" one was innovative for its time, but too gimmicky for our tastes.

Then we bought an aluminum 24" iMac a year and a half ago and were very impressed with its looks, its beautiful big screen, and its decent performance.

We have been planning on holding out for the next Mac Pro and thinking of getting two. But now my wife is so impressed with the quad-core 27" and with being able to put 16GB of RAM into it that she now wants one instead of a Pro.

I love this new aluminum milling process. Really durable and beautiful, and it helps with heat dissipation which results in only occasional fan noise.

i have own ed 3 of these imac's
my latest one is two long yrs old
some how i wish my wife by mistake would knock it over

so I would be forced to get the new imac quad 27

unibody heaven

[kiwee]

Originally Posted by MacTripper

I would wait to buy if your one or any of the following:


1: Novice or new computer user with no local support

2: Located quite some distance from a Apple Store or Authorized Repair and have to use the mails or other rather rough shipping methods.


The reasons are simple, this is a new machine, with a new quad core processor that creates more heat in a iMac that never had one before. We vets have seen this before, fan speeds are set too low or make annoying revving sounds and require a firmware update to compensate.

For instance the eMac's fans sounded like a vacuum cleaner was running, the PowerMac G5's fans would rev up and down and be very annoying. So I expect the same sort of behavior to occur with the iMac getting twice the processor power in a similar size and very compact case. Thus little airflow.

Snow Leopard is also rather new and bug prone and a lot of third party software isn't up to speed on it yet. If you have no local support, your on your own if you don't have any experience and this can be quite a chore for the new/novice computer user.

So if you can wait a few months, do so. Just to let the kinks get worked out and review the online recommendations for a better Mac computing experience.

Everything new has it's share of unforeseen problems and Mac's are no different.


Also you might want to wait until the 27" anti-glare films are available from third party sources, the reflections may murder your eyes. There is a video on YouTube showing how easy it is to apply.

and on a positive note...

[aplnub]

My i7 quad core still hasn't shipped.

[johnmcboston]

Woo-hoo. Christmas for me :-) Now let's get some speed benchmarks to see if the i5/7 are worth the price before I shop for myself

[melgross]

Originally Posted by CheeseRations

I wonder when the "standard" 27" iMacs with the upgrade (ATI Radeon HD 4850) video card will ship. This was previously what was holding out shipments of both models, but now that the quad-core is shipping, I'm surprised that the regular 27" isn't shipping as well.

Apparently, ATI (AMD) is having some problems right now in shipping some product. It's possible that the shortage of 58xx products is requiring them to move some production from the 48xx lines to make up for it. No doubt, they'd rather sell more of the newer, more expensive product, than the older cheaper one.

[EMoeller]

I ordered my i7 iMac within an hour of its release and it is not shipping. If you notice the screenshot of the shipment notice, the iMac that has NOT shipped is an i7.

Hopefully it will be soon...

[MacTripper]

Originally Posted by kiwee

and on a positive note...

"Prepare for the worst and the good will take care of itself" - Donald Trump.

[CheeseRations]

Originally Posted by melgross

Apparently, ATI (AMD) is having some problems right now in shipping some product. It's possible that the shortage of 58xx products is requiring them to move some production from the 48xx lines to make up for it. No doubt, they'd rather sell more of the newer, more expensive product, than the older cheaper one.

Yeah, I had heard about some shortages. I was just curious as to why Apple is opting to ship the quad-core machines (w/ the 4850) prior to the 3.06GHz machines upgraded to the 4850. I'd assume that this is probably just because those customers bought a more expensive machine as I wouldn't expect it to be any harder to put the 4850 in the 3.06GHz than it would be to put it in the quad-core.

Oh well! Just wondering! Maybe the 3.06GHz will wind up shipping later today or something.

[anonymouse]

Originally Posted by EMoeller

I ordered my i7 iMac within an hour of its release and it is not shipping. If you notice the screenshot of the shipment notice, the iMac that has NOT shipped is an i7.

Hopefully it will be soon...

And the store still simply says "November" for the quads, as opposed to the Core 2 Duo 27", which says "7-10 business days".

[melgross]

Originally Posted by CheeseRations

Yeah, I had heard about some shortages. I was just curious as to why Apple is opting to ship the quad-core machines (w/ the 4850) prior to the 3.06GHz machines upgraded to the 4850. I'd assume that this is probably just because those customers bought a more expensive machine as I wouldn't expect it to be any harder to put the 4850 in the 3.06GHz than it would be to put it in the quad-core.

Oh well! Just wondering! Maybe the 3.06GHz will wind up shipping later today or something.

Hard to say, likely there's some production line reason.

[MacTripper]

Originally Posted by johnmcboston

Woo-hoo. Christmas for me :-) Now let's get some speed benchmarks to see if the i5/7 are worth the price before I shop for myself

Yea, wait for the graphics benchmarks too. Previous iMac's had lousy 3D graphics which so many people complained they couldn't 3D game well that Apple came up with a BTO upgrade option for a better graphics card. They might be fearing cannibalizing sales from the Mac Pro.

Although the 27" does have a ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics with 512MB.

I would wait to see what Barefeats says first.

http://www.barefeats.com/

[teckstud]

I will wait til Spring, once it gets what it needs.

[Bricu]

Like EMoeller, I ordered a quad core within an hour of its release. I've been officially billed for an i7 iMac, so I hope the machine will ship soon.

[melgross]

Originally Posted by MacTripper

Yea, wait for the graphics benchmarks too. Previous iMac's had lousy 3D graphics which so many people complained they couldn't 3D game well that Apple came up with a BTO upgrade option for a better graphics card. They might be fearing cannibalizing sales from the Mac Pro.

Although the 27" does have a ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics with 512MB.

I would wait to see what Barefeats says first.

http://www.barefeats.com/

The two 24" models I bought for my family in early 2008 have pretty decent graphics with the upgrade offered then.

[Mac Voyer]

In real-life benefits, what does the quad give you that the C2D 3.06 does not?

[infinite_entropy]

Originally Posted by CheeseRations

Yeah, I had heard about some shortages. I was just curious as to why Apple is opting to ship the quad-core machines (w/ the 4850) prior to the 3.06GHz machines upgraded to the 4850. I'd assume that this is probably just because those customers bought a more expensive machine as I wouldn't expect it to be any harder to put the 4850 in the 3.06GHz than it would be to put it in the quad-core.

Oh well! Just wondering! Maybe the 3.06GHz will wind up shipping later today or something.

I am typing this on my 3.06 GHz C2D with the 4850 right now... for what it's worth... :/

[melgross]

Originally Posted by Mac Voyer

In real-life benefits, what does the quad give you that the C2D 3.06 does not?

Depends on what you do.

It will always give better performance when multitasking.

It will give better performance on the growing number of programs that are multi-core aware.

It will even give some benefit, though not much, on two core programs, as the OS and its housekeeping can use other cores.

In addition, unlike older machines with two cores, when more programs go to using Grand Central, and thus four cores, they will be faster then than they are now, actually giving your year or two old machine better performance than when you first bought it.

This will enable you to keep that machine longer than you would otherwise have done, saving you some money down the line.

So for a given period, where you would have bought three machines, you now might only buy two.

That's never happened before.

In addition, the Nehalen chips are much better GHz to GHz when compared to the older Core 2 designs because of the built-in memory management, rather than the older FSB. They are better at power management resulting in good cooling. They also scale up in speed more when not all cores are needed, resulting in higher performance for one or two core programs. A 2.80 GHz chip can actually be faster than a 3.0.6 GHZ Core 2 design.

Lots of advantages to these chips beyond the number of cores.

[CheeseRations]

Originally Posted by infinite_entropy

I am typing this on my 3.06 GHz C2D with the 4850 right now... for what it's worth... :/

When/where did you get yours? They've always been listed as shipping in "November" on the Apple Store until just the other day.

[infinite_entropy]

Originally Posted by CheeseRations

When/where did you get yours? They've always been listed as shipping in "November" on the Apple Store until just the other day.

Received my iMac on Oct 26th and have been loving it to death since!

[johnmcboston]

Originally Posted by MacTripper

Yea, wait for the graphics benchmarks too. Previous iMac's had lousy 3D graphics which so many people complained they couldn't 3D game well that Apple came up with a BTO upgrade option for a better graphics card. They might be fearing cannibalizing sales from the Mac Pro.

Well, I'm a few imac revs back, so it may be 'better than what I have' - but a good point as something else to compare as well.

[caljomac]

Good news for early buyers (like me )

[tomasito68]

I think I will wait for the second batch release ... on the other hand would have been nice if Apple included a eSATA port as well, since most of us would need to use an external hard drive and (firewire scanner at least in my case).... any case it looks like a great computer...

[melgross]

Originally Posted by tomasito68

I think I will wait for the second batch release ... on the other hand would have been nice if Apple included a eSATA port as well, since most of us would need to use an external hard drive and (firewire scanner at least in my case).... any case it looks like a great computer...

The lack of ESATA support from Apple so far is a sore point.

[PaulMJohnson]

Having released a 27" iMac, which looks fantastic, how long can it be until Apple take a throw at the TV market, building something like Apple TV into a living room display?

Would seem like a sensible move to me.

[DMunday]

When I saw this message I had a check on whether my i7 had been shipped and noticed on the Apple online store that the order had ben cancelled but there was still an entry there.

I gave the UK store a call and the operator said that they had received lots of calls as they had changed the part number and therefore had to cancel all the orders and then re-order them. He reckoned that this wouldn't delay the shipment.

I ordered mine pretty much as soon as the new system was available on the store. He couldn't advise when it may come (November!!) but am certainly looking forward to taking delivery of my first Mac!

[MacTripper]

Originally Posted by melgross

The two 24" models I bought for my family in early 2008 have pretty decent graphics with the upgrade offered then.

As you know, you can't go wrong with getting as much graphics and processor power as you can (afford) with a enclosed box. Makes the machine and your computing experience last so much better and longer between upgrades.

[melgross]

Originally Posted by MacTripper

As you know, you can't go wrong with getting as much graphics and processor power as you can (afford) with a enclosed box. Makes the machine and your computing experience last so much better and longer between upgrades.

Absolutely! I always buy them with the best hardware available at the time, so I bought those with the 3.0.6 GHz processor, and the upgraded card. I upgraded the RAM from OWC.

This year's machines are a big leg up, with really good displays, and let's not get into the glossy/matte debate. I'm talking about the LED backlit IPS panels.

[ascii]

I think these are great machines. Good value, good looking, good specs. The software guys at Apple however need to lift their game.

For example look at what Microsoft has been doing with GUI. They have replaced text-only menus with a system where clicking a menu title changes out the Toolbar. And the Windows 7 dock has some nice features Apple should have thought of. It is a lot riskier for MS to make major GUI changes than Apple, and yet they are the ones doing it.

I am not saying that the advances in 10.6 were nothing, they were great. But they were not enough, they need to pick up the pace. MS is moving fast all of a sudden.

[MacTripper]

Originally Posted by melgross

Depends on what you do.

It will always give better performance when multitasking.

It will give better performance on the growing number of programs that are multi-core aware.

It will even give some benefit, though not much, on two core programs, as the OS and its housekeeping can use other cores.

In addition, unlike older machines with two cores, when more programs go to using Grand Central, and thus four cores, they will be faster then than they are now, actually giving your year or two old machine better performance than when you first bought it.

This will enable you to keep that machine longer than you would otherwise have done, saving you some money down the line.

So for a given period, where you would have bought three machines, you now might only buy two.

That's never happened before.

In addition, the Nehalen chips are much better GHz to GHz when compared to the older Core 2 designs because of the built-in memory management, rather than the older FSB. They are better at power management resulting in good cooling. They also scale up in speed more when not all cores are needed, resulting in higher performance for one or two core programs. A 2.80 GHz chip can actually be faster than a 3.0.6 GHZ Core 2 design.

Lots of advantages to these chips beyond the number of cores.

Exactly, you can't go wrong with more power upfront as you don't know what software bloat will occur later on. Desktops last much longer and have better performance/heat control than laptops usually and quad cores may become the norm for all computers shortly.

It might be worthwhile to note that even though we are getting 4 cores in the new iMac's, some way and some how it will be hobbled so the performance will be only slightly greater than the duo cores instead of the assumed 2x rate with 2x the amount of cores.

There is no way in hell they are going to greatly prolong the upgrade cycle by giving consumers a fantastic deal with a machine with twice the power of the previous one. The PowerMac G5 dual processor machine did that (two computers in one box basically and sold like hotcakes too), but we didn't know that Apple was going to drop PPC and later on OS X for PPC.

So I would wait to see the benchmarks.

Apple or Intel might be hobbling the first issue of quad cores and then later on issuing newer versions with ever faster speeds by reducing the hobbling.

Giving a consumer a unrestricted quad core is a lot of performance punch, there's got to be a trick somewhere in there.

[melgross]

Originally Posted by ascii

I think these are great machines. Good value, good looking, good specs. The software guys at Apple however need to lift their game.

For example look at what Microsoft has been doing with GUI. They have replaced text-only menus with a system where clicking a menu title changes out the Toolbar. And the Windows 7 dock has some nice features Apple should have thought of. It is a lot riskier for MS to make major GUI changes than Apple, and yet they are the ones doing it.

I am not saying that the advances in 10.6 were nothing, they were great. But they were not enough, they need to pick up the pace. MS is moving fast all of a sudden.

You're making the mistake of forgetting what the 10.6 upgrade was all about. It WASN'T about making wide ranging feature upgrades to consumers. Those wide ranging feature upgrades were made for developers this time around. The streamlined OS is also a major feature upgrade, but you don't notice it as much.

What major upgrades did MS make for Win 7? I don't see any. Minor upgrades yes, such as what you've mentioned.

You also notice that Apple is charging a pittance for the upgrade, while MS is still charging full price for their too many versions, with overpriced consumer versions. Even their copy Apple with a family pack pricing is much higher than Apple's. And that $29 student pack upgrade doesn't seem to be working.

When 10.7 comes out, no doubt Apple will add all the features and consumer aware upgrades they held back from offering this time, as well as others made possible by what they DID do this time. And even at full price again, it will still cost much less than MS charges.

[gabberattack]

Originally Posted by brucep

i have own ed 3 of these imac's
my latest one is two long yrs old
some how i wish my wife by mistake would knock it over

so I would be forced to get the new imac quad 27

unibody heaven

How do you deal with glare? Did you put the anti-glare stickers?

[melgross]

Originally Posted by MacTripper

Exactly, you can't go wrong with more power upfront as you don't know what software bloat will occur later on. Desktops last much longer and have better performance/heat control than laptops usually and quad cores may become the norm for all computers shortly.

It might be worthwhile to note that even though we are getting 4 cores in the new iMac's, some way and some how it will be hobbled so the performance will be only slightly greater than the duo cores instead of the assumed 2x rate with 2x the amount of cores.

There is no way in hell they are going to prolong the upgrade cycle by giving us consumers a fantastic deal with a machine with twice the power of the previous one. The PowerMac G5 dual processor machine did that (two computers in one box and sold like hotcakes too), but we didn't know that Apple was going to drop PPC and later on OS X for PPC.

So I would wait to see the benchmarks.

Apple or Intel might be hobbling the first issue of quad cores and then later on issuing newer versions with ever faster speeds by reducing the hobbling.

Giving a consumer a quad core is a lot of performance punch, there's got to be a trick somewhere in there.

There's such a thing as scaling. You don't get 400% the performance of a one core chip with a four core chip. But the Nehalen designs are better at scaling than older chips have been. One reason is the new QPI (Quickpath) technology for interchip communications.

Apple isn't about to do anything to limit the benefits of these new chips. This is their path to the future, and they'll want it to look good.

[melgross]

Originally Posted by gabberattack

How do you deal with glare? Did you put the anti-glare stickers?

We have two 24" machines here at home, and glare isn't a problem.

Minor adjustments in the angle of the machines is enough to put that problem to rest.

[solipsism]

These are nice enough that I almost want to get a desktop for my main machine… almost, but I’ll hold out until the next MBPs drop, hopefully with i5s.


PS: I would like to know the display input is wired to the display. This function is not part of the regular specs for these video cards so I wonder if there is a driver limitation or even a HW issue with the cards that is preventing even DP feeds from non-Mac PCs not working.

[teckstud]

Originally Posted by melgross

We have two 24" machines here at home, and glare isn't a problem.

Minor adjustments in the angle of the machines is enough to put that problem to rest.

Does your home face North?