[quote]Originally posted by Morte:
Besides, AMD are already fabbing G4s for Moto in their Dresden facility.
Are you sure about that? I read a lot of conjecture early this year that such a move would be good for Apple, but I don't recall hearing that it ever happened. Did it?
As long as we're all talking about existing market conditions and such that point whether or not the G5 will happen, I think it's pretty clear there are mixed conditions right now.
Just because Jobs and Apple would *love* to release a backwards compatible 64 bit chip that trounces the fastest Pentium in standard benchmarking tests (and they would), doesn't mean Motorola can given them what they need....
Furthermore, if you look at the state of Motorola in general and their semiconductor business in particular, it ain't pretty. They're one or two more bad quarters away from going in the toilet. I think last quarter they posted something on the order of a half billion dollar *loss*? Not good, and not indicative of an organization ready to roll out a superior new product in large numbers (and on time).
Basically, all the product cycles and marketing signals point to Apple needing and wanting the G5. All the technical and business issues point to more G4's at slightly increased speeds every few months. At least until Apple doesn't something about getting their chips from someone else.
All bitching aside (I'm happy with my current machine) Apple should've ditched Motorola over a year ago in favor of IBM. Initially things would've stayed slow because IBM would've had to ramp up their production facilties for the G4, etc. But by now we'd be sitting pretty.
Sooner or later Apple will learn what a loser of a company Motorola is. Inside and out. Worst company I've ever had the displeasure of working with (if even for a short time). Thank God I wasn't an employee.
[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: Moogs ]</p>