Originally Posted by meelash
I think most of the stuff you mentioned is pretty fair, it's just a question of how important those features are to everyone. You have to admit that not every one will find those features as important as you do, and there are other things Safari does better. Also, many people are fans of minimalism, look how far Google's taken that with Chrome.
And speed. Since my post I've been spending more time in S4. It hasn't changed my critique of its feature depletion much, but, damn, it is more than twice as fast as Firefox on my old iBook, and video is much smoother.
And I don't have to shut it down every few hours because it's stolen all the memory and CPU cycles.
So I'm finding that pretty compelling for the same reason I DON'T have an iPhone yet - that is, ATT.
My cell is still my primary means of actually TALKING to people, and while my Verizon LG Voyager is inferior in every other respect (except that it's my live TV too), just dialing and talking just like that and virtually all the time trumps lots of other "features" if they come with a frustrating, inferior phone experience.
On the other hand, just downloaded FF 3.5 with new engines itself, so we'll see.
Top sites can be a replacement for that functionality, since you can customize how many and which sites show up, and see at a glance if the page has been updated without having to open it.
Nice feature, actually. But you don't get the history associated with the previous invocation of the sites.
Oh, one more FF function so integral to me now is the built-in spell checker that works across sites - and LEARNS. Wouldn't be "non-Apple' to add that.
I would say Apple could do a lot to encourage development of plug-ins than they're doing right now.
I'd settle for starters for being able to find where in Safari you can add, disable, tweak, etc. plugs-ins at all. I spent time looking, and tried the help system. I know it's there, but as for finding it, intuitive, especially compared to firefox, it ain't.
Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity. Some people prefer it. As for the passwords, they're all in your keychain along with all other OS X passwords, mail, etc. I think that's a plus for Safari over Firefox.
Thanks for that! I switched (well added a mac as my notebook 5 years ago, and forget Keychain, since I can't remember the last time I've intentionally accessed it.
semi-unrelated simplicity rant - I don't use iPhoto, I'm not going to use iPhoto (Photoshopper who organizes his own folders) - and last I checked I couldn't find a way to stop it from starting up every time I insert my thumb drive to do a docs and pix backup. This is dead simple - dead simple intrusion - not a bit more enjoyable than Windows User Access Control. There's doubtless asimple way I'm missing (??), but then there's simple as a form of subliminal "our way or the highway" marketing - "you've got pictures: OK here's iPhoto."
Even XP asks me what, if anything, I want to do with a list of choices, when I insert.
As I mentioned before: Cover flow history! Nobody else has got anything close (AFAIK), and it is pretty damn unreplaceable.
Will give it fair trial, thanks again.
Originally Posted by solipsism
Bigpics certainly makes some valid points as to why Safari doesn’t work for him, but that isn’t what Apple usually operates and I wouldn’t expect most of those features to ever come to Safari.
I catch your general gist, and somewhat agree, but the "simple" ability (I'm still stuck on simplicity from above, sorry) to "simply" restore to your previous session (with all tab histories intact) strikes me as exactly simple - no user need use any of the backwards buttons, users don't have to select "restore last session" as the start-up mode, etc., etc. With Safari I have to recognize exactly where I was for each page view, sometimes up to 20 times.
Simple? Uh-uhh. And multiple home pages and session restore don't seem inconsistent with Apple design philosophy, as Apple has long provided various levels of power user and developer levels beneath default behaviors.