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post #81 of 141
7/1/09 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by Dezlboy View Post

This web site says to reload the 3.0 firmware to fix heat problem.

http://orangecountycomputer.com/2009...y-life-issues/

Interesting. You know what? When I first got my Touch Pro, the speaker was really quiet, and the windows directory took a while to load up. After doing a hard reset, everything ran much faster and the speaker was much louder.

Has anyone here tried this fix? Heck, has anyone here had overheating issues? I'd like to see some testimony lol
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post #82 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by pondosinatra View Post

I think the same group of drunk monkeys doing OS interface design at Apple are also doing their quality control.

Let's see YOUR credentials buddy. You think you can do a better job? Maybe you ought to take a look at the drunk retarded monkeys up in Redmond.
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post #83 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by r00fus View Post

They would also cost several hundreds of dollars more. I'd say it's a good trade-off, but I'm not sure the majority would.

Not hundreds. The difference is less than you would think, but even $20 of added cost is often the difference between profitability and failure in today's market. Still, they could manufacture in another developing east-asian nation, like the Philippines, and at least be slightly better about respecting human rights.
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post #84 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:15pm
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1) The reason to buy a phone, as you’ve stated many times, is to make calls. Something that is impossible to do on AT&T, as you’ve also stated many times.

As you have stated (ad nauseum), AT&T will fix their 3G network with an eventual overhaul. All networks have dropped calls. CDMA is not coming to the iPhone accrding to you.
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2) The Video is only VGA and the CMOS and lens is worse than some Nokia phones from 2007. We know this because you told us how great those cameras were and how Apple could have added video at any time they wanted.

I only stated the truith-that Apple could have added video at any time - and they could have. Now that time has arrived and it is very decent video. You got me confused with somebody else. I know you find it hard to believe that there may actually be more than one negative posting from another poster on here.
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3) The video is only possible because of the new speed so to say that video is better than the speed is silly.

People are already complaing about the speed of Safari compared to the 3G.. No one has complained about the video
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4) Regardless of your recent lip service about the Touch and the new iPhone you have stated many, many times (ad nauseam) that a glass covered display is bad because it’s creates too much glare. Surely you haven’t forgotten, “people who like glossy displays are ignorant!”

That is not my quote- perhaps you have it confused me someone you may think is my alias.
Again glossy applies to a large screen as in an iMac or cinema display.
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5) If you want a good portable video camera buy that for a few hundred dollars instead of paying thousands for a decent phone video camera "that can’t even make calls because AT&T sucks."

I already own an excellent 16:9 Sony video camera. Again it's like a weight scale - the plusses have overpowered the minuses (AT&T). Now is the time for me to buy.
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post #85 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by Dezlboy View Post

This web site says to reload the 3.0 firmware to fix heat problem.

http://orangecountycomputer.com/2009...y-life-issues/

So, based on my reading of the info at this site, one's iPhone only has this problem and requires this 'fix' if it is at least warm on standby.

Whats happing is the Iphone 3GS processor is running at 100% when in standby.
Thus causing the phone to overheat and the battery life is shorted drastically.

Is this how everyone else is reading this?
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post #86 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

]As you have stated (ad nauseum), AT&T will fix their 3G network with an eventual overhaul. All networks have dropped calls. CDMA is not coming to the iPhone accrding to you.

You keep using the word fix like its currently broken.Your inability to understand variances is astounding. They will upgrade their network as all carriers do (you refer to this as merely patching on AT&T) and it will still have issues because there will be a lot more people using phones, especially iPhones, on AT&Ts network which will cause more congestion. This cycle will not be ending anytime soon.

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I only stated the truith-that Apple could have added video at any time - and they could have. Now that time has arrived and it is very decent video.

No, they couldnt have. If you think Apple was going to up the CPU and allow for a poor resolution 10fps video then you are, as usual, gravely mistaken.

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People are already complaing about the speed of Safari compared to the 3G.. No one has complained about the video
That is not my quote- perhaps you have it confused me someone you may think is my alias.
Again glossy applies to a large screen as in an iMac or cinema display.

Yes, they have complained about the video, you just have chosen not to listen. Youre going flipside with your lack of objectivity because you now have an unnatural focus for the video camera. Its still a 3Mpx camera in a very thin phone. You are better off with a Nokia or a pocket sized stand alone device if that is what you want. Remember, you said that you cant make calls on the iPhone and your all you friends agreed.

Oh, I wasnt aware that reflections off glass dont exist on smaller screens. Teckstudian logic at its best!

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I already own an excellent 16:9 Sony video camera. Again it's like a weight scale - the plusses have overpowerd the minuses (AT&T). Now is the time for me to buy.

I hope you do buy it and I hope that AT&Ts network still is subpar in your area. Id love for you to be stuck with an iPhone that is costing you ~$100/month to have yet doesnt offer you much more than your Touch and a lot less than buying a simple pocket video camera. Ill be laughing every time you complain about it.
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post #87 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:36pm
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I hope you do buy it and I hope that AT&T’s network still is subpar in your area. I’d love for you to be stuck with an iPhone that is costing you ~$100/month to have yet doesn’t offer you much more than your Touch and a lot less than buying a simple pocket video camera. I’ll be laughing every time you complain about it.

Well that about sums you up. Wishing such negative thoughts on others does not bring about good karma (do you even know what that means?) and is definitely not the AppleInsider's philosophy. Others on here have been real cool about my new purchase except you. Thanks.
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post #88 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:38pm
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Well that about sums you up. Wishing such negative thoughts on others does not bring about good karma (do you even know what that means?). Others on here have been real cool about my new purchase except you. Thanks.

With all your negative comments here about everything Apple makes without the slightest hint of objectiveness I know I won’t be alone in finding the humour in your poorly thought out purchase. An ironic payback of sorts for your attitude on these boards.
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post #89 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:42pm
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So, based on my reading of the info at this site, one's iPhone only has this problem and requires this 'fix' if it is at least warm on standby.

Whats happing is the Iphone 3GS processor is running at 100% when in standby.
Thus causing the phone to overheat and the battery life is shorted drastically.

Is this how everyone else is reading this?

I'm reading it the same way. Thus, don't know if this fix (?) applies to the issue of the iPhone getting hot when it is used for (power intensive) stuff. Maybe a warm iPhone at rest, becomes a hotter iPhone when used?

I assume that soon we might hear from others if this fix works.... maybe.....
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post #90 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Interesting. Thanks for the link!

You're welcomed. I have no idea if this works, nor do I fully understand what to do. And,,,,what's worse, I don't even have an iPhone, yet.
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post #91 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

With all your negative comments here about everything Apple makes without the slightest hint of objectiveness I know I won’t be alone in finding the humour in your poorly thought out purchase. An ironic payback of sorts for your attitude on these boards.

I have always been unbiased and objective as opposed to your endless chearleading. You clearly carry a vendetta against anyone who has not seen eye to eye with you on any Apple shortcoming whatsover. My purchase has been thought out for over 2 years!! I just don't run out and buy whatever Apple puts out there as you most obviously do. It's rather sad that you would just buy something simply for the fact that Apple has put it out on the market- for that very reason alone.
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post #92 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Sorry, the excuse "it's Apple's (insert item here), they can do what they want." is a bit tiresome. What's the point of Apple providing a support forum if they're going to censor the support issues that are included? I can see them removing offensive or irrelevant posts, but legitimate hardware issues? What makes them sound worse, that there's a couple hundred posts complaining about iPhone overheating issues or the fact that Apple seemingly is trying to cover up the problem? And what does the Pre have to do with anything? Yes, the press holds Apple to a higher standard (don't most Apple fans as well?), but Apple should already be aware of that and acknowledge issues, not attempt to bury them.

Any company has the right to do what they want within the law. If they dont want people slandering their product on their forums they have the right to remove it. Having one or a few people with the problem is not a pervasive issue but, as stated already, the internet effect can make a single persons issue in widespread problem. And if the media gets ahold of this they can say that Apple clearly knows about this and acknowledges it as its on their very forums. If you had a products name you are trying to protect you would do the same thing, but in this case you have already determined that the problem is so massive that it isnt irrelevant and that even a single users HW issue with a consumer electronic device should be made into a huge spectacle simply because its Apple and the press hold Apple to higher standards? Does that really make sense? If you have a problem you call them at 1-800-MY-APPLE or go into an Apple Store. They will fix the problem or give you a new phone, depending on the issue. That is how these things usually work with CE, but I guess if you hold Apple to a higher standard, as you stated, you expect them to act differently than other companies. I dont. To me Apple is just a company that makes products that some people prefer and other dont, just like any other company.
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post #93 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:51pm
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To me Apple is just a company that makes products that some people prefer and other don’t, just like any other company.

And you seem to prefer and buy them all. How's that iPhone Edge of yours doing?
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post #94 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:52pm
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4) Regardless of your recent lip service about the Touch and the new iPhone you have stated many, many times (ad nauseam) that a glass covered display is bad because its creates too much glare. Surely you havent forgotten, people who like glossy displays are ignorant!

I know that you're just playing devil's advocate (and it's rather amusing ), but I'd like to defend Teckstud on this point.

With a hand-held device like a Touch or an iPhone, it is very easy to position the display to minimise reflections. So you get the benefits of a glossy display, namely "punchier" colour and contrast, with none of the drawbacks.

As soon as you jump up to a even a laptop, it becomes much harder to avoid those reflections. I've got a 15" MacBook Pro and am constantly annoyed by the reflection problem. If there had been a non-glossy option, I would have taken it, but Apple didn't give me the choice
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post #95 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:54pm
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And you seem to prefer them all. How's that iPhone Edge of yours doing?

It worked out great for the year i used it before the 3G model came alone. Some of us are realistic in our needs and understand that the 3GS wasnt possible 2 years ago, just as you will undoubtedly complain that the 3GS isnt as good as next years model so it must mean Apple is screwing you.
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post #96 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:56pm
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I know that you're just playing devil's advocate (and it's rather amusing ), but I'd like to defend Teckstud on this point.

With a hand-held device like a Touch or an iPhone, it is very easy to position the display to minimise reflections. So you get the benefits of a glossy display, namely "punchier" colour and contrast, with none of the drawbacks.

As soon as you jump up to a even a laptop, it becomes much harder to avoid those reflections. I've got a 15" MacBook Pro and am constantly annoyed by the reflection problem. If there had been a non-glossy option, I would have taken it, but Apple didn't give me the choice

He knows exactly what I meant. He's just nitpicking my every word to try and drive some ridiculous point across
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post #97 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

I know that you're just playing devil's advocate (and it's rather amusing ), but I'd like to defend Teckstud on this point.

With a hand-held device like a Touch or an iPhone, it is very easy to position the display to minimise reflections. So you get the benefits of a glossy display, namely "punchier" colour and contrast, with none of the drawbacks.

As soon as you jump up to a even a laptop, it becomes much harder to avoid those reflections. I've got a 15" MacBook Pro and am constantly annoyed by the reflection problem. If there had been a non-glossy option, I would have taken it, but Apple didn't give me the choice

That is only an issue is certain environments. Most peoples homes dont have the sunlight coming through the ceiling or have florescent lights above them. Teckstuds comments have never been qualified with anything other than glossy suck for everyone in every situation when that simply isnt the case.
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post #98 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:58pm
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It worked out great for the year i used it before the 3G model came alone. Some of us are realistic in our needs and understand that the 3GS wasnt possible 2 years ago, just as you will undoubtedly complain that the 3GS isnt as good as next years model so it must mean Apple is screwing you.

I've waited 2 years to make my purchase and yet I'm not realistic in my needs?
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post #99 of 141
7/1/09 at 12:59pm
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I have always been unbiased and objective as opposed to your endless chearleading.

HaHaHa! This is the funniest thing I have seen here in a long time.
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post #100 of 141
7/1/09 at 1:00pm
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That is only an issue is certain environments. Most people’s home’s don’t have the sunlight coming through the ceiling or have florescent lights above them. Teckstud’s comments have never been qualified with anything other than glossy suck for everyone in every situation when that simply isn’t the case.

I have never and would never have any reason to state that in the iPhone/Touch's case just as Mr.H commented. It's really quite obvious and not that difficult to understand. Every iPod has had a glossy display since day 1.
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post #101 of 141
7/1/09 at 1:04pm
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I've waited 2 years to make my purchase and yet I'm not realistic in my needs?

1) You think AT&T is broken and will magically get fixed by Spetember because someone told you that. Realistic?

2) You think that the 2 previous iPhones could do video recording well simply because they are iPhones. Realistic?

3) You think that Apple has been holding AT&T back from releasing MMS, yet not the other carriers it partners with. Realistic?

4) You think that the video camera in the iPhone is more important than the phone and dont understand how the new HW of the iPhone is tied to the video camera capabilities. Realistic?

5) You heard one issue about the battery over heating and immediately made comments about waiting for the recall to occur before buying. Realistic?

Cameronj was right!
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7/1/09 at 1:12pm
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1) You think AT&T is broken and will magically get fixed by Spetember because someone told you that. Realistic?

2) You think that the 2 previous iPhones could do video recording well simply because they are iPhones. Realistic?

3) You think that Apple has been holding AT&T back from releasing MMS, yet not the other carriers it partners with. Realistic?

4) You think that the video camera in the iPhone is more important than the phone and don’t understand how the new HW of the iPhone is tied to the video camera capabilities. Realistic?

5) You heard one issue about the battery over heating and immediately made comments about waiting for the recall to occur before buying. Realistic?

Cameronj was right!

1.) Broken no- subpar yes.
2.) No- the reason was because they both had cameras.
3.) Everybody knows AT&T has been holding back MMS.
4.) It has a better camera- how could it not be tied to the video?
5.) Actually I've read more about the battery not holding a charge very long.

Who's Cameronj?
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post #103 of 141
7/1/09 at 2:00pm
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[AT&T is] Broken no- subpar yes.

I'm no particular fan of AT&T, or any other wireless carrier for that matter, but, given that no carrier has the volume of traffic that AT&T does -- due to their exclusive deal for the iPhone, a blessing and a curse for them, I think -- it's hard to support a claim that they are sub-par. Sub-par compared to what? Verizon isn't, as far as I know, carrying the volume of traffic that AT&T is, nor is any other North American carrier that I'm aware of, and I don't see any actual evidence that if all the iPhone traffic could somehow be magically shifted from AT&T to some other network that that network could handle it any better.

So, in all fairness to AT&T, I don't think this claim, which is made by many in one form or another, is really substantiated in any way. However, I am quite happy to be proven wrong with actual data.
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7/1/09 at 2:06pm
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I'm no particular fan of AT&T, or any other wireless carrier for that matter, but, given that no carrier has the volume of traffic that AT&T does -- due to their exclusive deal for the iPhone, a blessing and a curse for them, I think -- it's hard to support a claim that they are sub-par. Sub-par compared to what? Verizon isn't, as far as I know, carrying the volume of traffic that AT&T is, nor is any other North American carrier that I'm aware of, and I don't see any actual evidence that if all the iPhone traffic could somehow be magically shifted from AT&T to some other network that that network could handle it any better.

So, in all fairness to AT&T, I don't think this claim, which is made by many in one form or another, is really substantiated in any way. However, I am quite happy to be proven wrong with actual data.

Verizon is the larger of the two networks and also ranks higher besides- both customer service and connectivity. AT&T has added and added more 3G junk phones to their network without upgrading it- though they are supposed to soon - but not soon enough. Verizon can't get the iPhone because its CDMA and Apple is obligated to AT&T because without them there would be no iPhone. So it's a catch 22this with AT&T. We are stuck with them for a long time I would think. At least until there is 4G.
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post #105 of 141
7/1/09 at 2:08pm
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I have always been unbiased and objective

Joke of the century!
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post #106 of 141
7/1/09 at 2:11pm
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That is only an issue is certain environments. Most people’s home’s don’t have the sunlight coming through the ceiling or have florescent lights above them. Teckstud’s comments have never been qualified with anything other than glossy suck for everyone in every situation when that simply isn’t the case.

That's funny, my home doesn't have sunlight coming through the ceiling or have florescent lights, yet I have an issue with reflections.

It doesn't matter where the light is coming from - as soon as the ambient light is high enough (just under the level that disables the keyboard's backlighting), you can see annoying reflections on the screen, i.e., it is easy to focus on the reflection instead of the screen image. I find that highly distracting and it pisses me off.
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post #107 of 141
7/1/09 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

Joke of the century!

I'm glad you liked it.
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7/1/09 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

That's funny, my home doesn't have sunlight coming through the ceiling or have florescent lights, yet I have an issue with reflections.

It doesn't matter where the light is coming from - as soon as the ambient light is high enough (around about the same level that disables the keyboard's backlighting), you can see annoying reflections on the screen, i.e., it is easy to focus on the reflection instead of the screen image. I find that highly distracting and it pisses me off.

Solipism's comments (all 10 mil of them) should be taken with a grain of salt. He never, ever says one thing against any Apple product. Apple could give him a chalkboard and he would say "chalkboards are what we need".
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7/1/09 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

AT&T has added and added more 3G junk phones to their network without upgrading it.

Oh yeah!

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http://www.google.com/search?q=at%26...pgrade+network And you wonder why you can’t be taken seriously on any post.

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That's funny, my home doesn't have sunlight coming through the ceiling or have florescent lights, yet I have an issue with reflections.

It doesn't matter where the light is coming from - as soon as the ambient light is high enough (just under the level that disables the keyboard's backlighting), you can see annoying reflections on the screen, i.e., it is easy to focus on the reflection instead of the screen image. I find that highly distracting and it pisses me off.

My backlit keyboard will not come on —though I wish it would— my display brightness is set to the highest level and I have no reflections. Not even on the rim where it’s just black behind the glass.


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I'm glad you liked it.

He may not have been talking about your comment but about the commenter.
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7/1/09 at 2:25pm
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My backlit keyboard will not come on though I wish it would my display brightness is set to the highest level and I have no reflections. Not even on the rim where its just black behind the glass.

Odd. Which MacBook Pro do you have? Have Apple toned down the reflectiveness (I've got an "original" 15" Unibody)? Mine is crazy reflective, and like I say, I find it very annoying.

Increasing the backlight level does help, but then you have to trade off reflections against battery life and blinding yourself! I'd much rather just have a non-glossy screen. In addition, the glass in front of the display weighs a fair bit, a 15" with non-glossy option would be even lighter.
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7/1/09 at 2:29pm
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He may not have been talking about your comment but about the commenter.

Why do you think he's a name caller? Why would you think that?
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7/1/09 at 2:30pm
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Odd. Which MacBook Pro do you have? Have Apple toned down the reflectiveness (I've got an "original" 15" Unibody)? Mine is crazy reflective, and like I say, I find it very annoying.

Increasing the backlight level does help, but then you have to trade off reflections against battery life and blinding yourself! I'd much rather just have a non-glossy screen. In addition, the glass in front of the display weighs a fair bit, a 15" with non-glossy option would be even lighter.

I'm telling you- he will deny any glare reflecting of that high glossy screen even if it blinds him!
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7/1/09 at 2:34pm
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Odd. Which MacBook Pro do you have? Have Apple toned down the reflectiveness (I've got an "original" 15" Unibody)? Mine is crazy reflective, and like I say, I find it very annoying.

Increasing the backlight level does help, but then you have to trade off reflections against battery life and blinding yourself! I'd much rather just have a non-glossy screen. In addition, the glass in front of the display weighs a fair bit, a 15" with non-glossy option would be even lighter.

Just to be clear, the room I am in is currently too bright for my backlit keyboard to come on. I wish I had the option to keep it on all the time if I so desire. There is an app called Lab Tick that will override the systems settings but I prefer not to use it because it uses an ungodly amount of processing power for such a simple task.* About 3% of my 2.4GHz late 2008 MB, which has the backlit keyboard. Not a lot of processing, but too much for such a simple task should, IMO.

Anyway, I cant see a screen reflection until my turn my display on an AI webpage until the display completely off. If I have a black image on the screen its at around 5 bars before I can see it, but even then I have to move my head side-to-side just to notice it. at that point. Maybe its because I am in a cave. Ill ask my neighbor Osama when I see him. Reflections can occur with any display but the brightness of the LED backlit displays have caused me no issues.


* Teckstud wont see my desire for a completely user controlled backlit keyboard or any of the other dozens of posts I make per day about what I wish Apple would include or exclude as [never saying] one thing against any Apple product because I didnt whine and cry that Apple is ripping me off by not including this simple feature.
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post #114 of 141
7/1/09 at 2:38pm
Perhaps the heat is actually a new iPhone feature: Coffee Warmer. Just put your cup of coffee on it and it stays hot all day long. That discoloration on the back isn't from the heat, it's coffee stains!
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7/1/09 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Verizon is the larger of the two networks and also ranks higher besides- both customer service and connectivity. AT&T has added and added more 3G junk phones to their network without upgrading it. Verizon can't get the iPhone because its CDMA and Apple is obligated to AT&T because without them there would be no iPhone. So it's a catch 22this with AT&T. We are stuck with them for a long time I would think. At least until there is 4G.

Larger in what way? More subscribers? More cell towers? More backhaul capacity? (I certainly don't know those latter numbers.) And exactly how many 3G phones are on AT&T's network compared to Verizon's? (And I don't believe it's the case that AT&T has not done any network upgrades.)

The point is, what actual data is there to support a claim that the iPhone experience would be better on Verizon, assuming all the iPhones suddenly worked on Verizon rather than AT&T. I have never seen anyone making such a claim support it with any data, so it seems rather baseless.

It probably would be the case that if AT&T had half the iPhones removed from their current network, and those iPhones were magically made to work on Verizon's, that service on AT&T's network would improve, and Verizon's would probably degrade. But what's the actual data supporting the claim that Verizon has a better 3G network. Better for the volume of traffic perhaps, but absolutely better?

Obviously, the point is somewhat academic as regards the iPhone, since it is where it is, but saying that AT&T's network is sub-par implies some sort of objective comparison that shows that.

Well, OK, AT&T's customer service does suck, and I don't have any experience with Verizon's, but I suspect that it's not entirely good times either.
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post #116 of 141
7/1/09 at 2:49pm
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Larger in what way? More subscribers? More cell towers? More backhaul capacity? (I certainly don't know those latter numbers.) And exactly how many 3G phones are on AT&T's network compared to Verizon's? (And I don't believe it's the case that AT&T has not done any network upgrades.)

The point is, what actual data is there to support a claim that the iPhone experience would be better on Verizon, assuming all the iPhones suddenly worked on Verizon rather than AT&T. I have never seen anyone making such a claim support it with any data, so it seems rather baseless.

It probably would be the case that if AT&T had half the iPhones removed from their current network, and those iPhones were magically made to work on Verizon's, that service on AT&T's network would improve, and Verizon's would probably degrade. But what's the actual data supporting the claim that Verizon has a better 3G network. Better for the volume of traffic perhaps, but absolutely better?

Obviously, the point is somewhat academic as regards the iPhone, since it is where it is, but saying that AT&T's network is sub-par implies some sort of objective comparison that shows that.

Well, OK, AT&T's customer service does suck, and I don't have any experience with Verizon's, but I suspect that it's not entirely good times either.

We also need to consider how many phones require data packages which may help us determine which carriers have the most phones with data packages. The Pre on Sprint, the iPhone on AT&T and, I think, the Storm on Verizon are the only phones in the US that are required to have data packages with service. That makes a huge difference right there.

There is no clear evidence, only anecdotes of iPhone data usage and webs stats from various sources claiming iPhone OS usage as high as Linux desktop usage with no other mobile OS even registering.

I have anecdotal evidence of AT&T’s network up and down getting considerably faster this year, even Melgross saying that 3G in his area improved after getting the iPhone. And there are plenty of sites detailing the work AT&T has put into upgrading their network since before the original iPhone launch… but we are to believe that AT&T hasn’t done anything to upgrade their network in over 2 years because TeckStud said so.
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post #117 of 141
7/1/09 at 3:16pm
As I've said before, show me ANY phone company that isn't trying to scam and cheat their own customers, and I'll show you a live unicorn.

I've had accounts with many phone companies over the years, some still here, most gone, and they were all horrible in the end. Still are.

So, whether it's AT&T or Sprint or whoever, you can be guaranteed that your bill will always be twice as large as you expected and that your plan will suddenly be changed on you without your knowing until you get that $900 cellphone bill. And now we have to contend with outrageous multi-year contracts which were designed to prevent people from moving to another company because of bad service. There's no longer any incentive for any of these companies to provide anything but horrible, rude customer service (think U.S. Postal Service) because you can't leave without paying them a nice big fat sum of money for the privilege. It's legalized extortion.

So much for Free Market!
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post #118 of 141
7/1/09 at 3:56pm
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As I've said before, show me ANY phone company that isn't trying to scam and cheat their own customers, and I'll show you a live unicorn.

Hmmm. I pay £20 a month for my landline, which includes 5 Mbit down/348 kbit up ADSL broadband with unlimited data, free landline calls to anywhere in the UK 24/7, free calls to the U.S. and Canada (landlines and mobiles) 24/7, free calls to landlines in Australia, New Zealand, France, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Germany and the Netherlands 24/7, and the cost of all other calls is easy to check if you're not sure (here)

For my mobile, I'm on Pay As You Go with ASDA. 8p/minute any time to any network in the UK, 4p/text to any network in the UK. No charge to receive calls or texts.

So, I make that two phone companies not trying to screw over their customers; where are my live unicorns?
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post #119 of 141
7/1/09 at 5:38pm
Until it happens to an appreciable number of users, it's all just FUD.
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7/1/09 at 8:21pm
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As I've said before, show me ANY phone company that isn't trying to scam and cheat their own customers, and I'll show you a live unicorn.

I've had accounts with many phone companies over the years, some still here, most gone, and they were all horrible in the end. Still are.

So, whether it's AT&T or Sprint or whoever, you can be guaranteed that your bill will always be twice as large as you expected and that your plan will suddenly be changed on you without your knowing until you get that $900 cellphone bill. And now we have to contend with outrageous multi-year contracts which were designed to prevent people from moving to another company because of bad service. There's no longer any incentive for any of these companies to provide anything but horrible, rude customer service (think U.S. Postal Service) because you can't leave without paying them a nice big fat sum of money for the privilege. It's legalized extortion.

So much for Free Market!

Amen to that. However, there are alternatives.

1. You can pay more for an unlocked iPhone.
2. You can forgo the added features of smartphones and enter one of many pay-as-you-go or pay-as-you-use services. They exist.

So I wouldn't knock the free market just yet, but those of us who don't use a landline or have a business cell don't have a cheap option. Go figure.
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