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post #1 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:01pm
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FINALLY

check Software Update...
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post #2 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:20pm
Reports?
Faster? (how could it be slower?)
Problems?
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post #3 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:24pm
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I downloaded approx half of it, now it doesnt work anymore

stopped downloading

maybe they pulled it?

these are the changes:

The Java 1.4.1 update adds the following enhancements :

? \tImproved Java applet support for Safari and other web browsers that support the Java Internet Plug-In.
? \tUp-to-date with the latest Java release from Sun, with hundreds of new features, including built-in support for XML-based web services, enhanced client functionality, and improved performance and reliability.
? \tJava applications take better advantage of Aqua and Quartz Extreme.
? \tJava applications now fully leverage the built-in Universal Access features of Mac OS X v10.2.
? \tJava applications can now be controlled through AppleScript, via the new UI Scripting technology (http://www.apple.com/applescript/GUI/).

For more details on this update, please visit: <a href="http://www.apple.com/java/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/java/</a>
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post #4 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:24pm
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=002577" target="_blank">too late ZO</a>
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post #5 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:25pm
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oh come on! 6 minutes shy!!

plus, at least I got the right Forum
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post #6 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:27pm
6 minutes were enough for me to install and restart.

no, it's about Java, which is Software.

IMO.
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post #7 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:31pm
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dunno why, but for me it still downloads half way and then stops downloading. No errors or anything.

dammit Defiant, taking my bandwidth!!!!
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post #8 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:35pm
Hey, I finished at
[code] Mon Mar 10 2003 23:11:19 Europe/Zurich: Java installed (1.4.1) </pre><hr></blockquote>

when did you ?
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post #9 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:36pm
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>dammit Defiant, taking my bandwidth!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

MUAHAHAH !!!



moderators, please lock the appropriate thread. I don't know myself which one's the right one.

Thank You.
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post #10 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:37pm
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i aint done yet

luckily the SU has a sort of resumble download function... after a few min it contniues to download... then throttles down... almost stopping. Its as if from wherever I'm downloading from, the file isnt actually there yet and Im downloading it as its getting uploaded to that server... or something.

does that make any sense?

Anyway Defiant... notice any differences?
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post #11 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:40pm
differences ? no. not yet. have to use any Java.app first. but ZO, let's keep it to one thread, alright?

I'll go wash off the dishes now. Good Night!

Bonna Sera!
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post #12 of 29
3/10/03 at 2:42pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Defiant:
<strong>

MUAHAHAH !!!



moderators, please lock the appropriate thread. I don't know myself which one's the right one.

Thank You.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So... you want to close MY thread because YOU'RE CONFUSED????

hehe... it belongs in OS X... moof!!!
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post #13 of 29
3/10/03 at 3:13pm
yep does seem like software


...oh ZO is a mod then...er um...yeah its OS X

...dont ban me
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post #14 of 29
3/10/03 at 3:30pm
I hope it makes the Novel web mail interface for work run better.
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post #15 of 29
3/10/03 at 3:42pm
Boo. I posted this info first (by several minutes) in "Sofware" where it belongs (read the description mods). <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Things Ain't What They Seem!
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post #16 of 29
3/10/03 at 3:45pm
[quote]Originally posted by MacsRGood4U:
<strong>Boo. I posted this info first (by several minutes) in "Sofware" where it belongs (read the description mods). <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Java is a development framework and a part of Mac OS X!!

Is Java an application that you can run?

You wouldn't post a Cocoa thread in Software, would you?
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post #17 of 29
3/10/03 at 3:50pm
Doesn't seem any faster to me.

When running appletviewer I see error messages coming up in the terminal.

If I drag part of the appletviewer window off the screen, the bar at the bottom that normally says "applet started" gets painted over with part of my graphics.

I'm not really impressed.
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post #18 of 29
3/10/03 at 6:49pm
What can we run to test the speed of our updated Java?
I couldn't find a Java Speed Test out there that actually guages how snappy java is running,....
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post #19 of 29
3/10/03 at 6:56pm
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>FINALLY

check Software Update...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Finally? I'm worried about "finally"... I'll find out how worried I need to be in a few minutes. As of Developer Preview 10, I still saw a number of problems, especially with applets and with using the Aqua look-and-feel in a non-Cocoa, cross-platform Java applet/application. I have a hard time imagining that everything that I saw wrong has been fixed so soon.

Well... time to go download and find out where things stand.

[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: shetline ]</p>
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post #20 of 29
3/10/03 at 7:26pm
1.4.1.... released too soon.

Here's my applet running under Java 1.3.1 and OS X (which is how, not counting the Aqua stuff, it looks on Windows or Linux). Note the nice smooth edges on the Moon images.



Now, here's what 1.4.1 does with the same applet:



Jagged edges from what should be perfectly good drawing code, a few of the buttons squished so small the label text leaks out, tabs on the tabbed panel, and pop-up menus that now eat up more vertical real estate than they did before, making screen layout tougher to do on the Mac than on other platforms...

Grrr.

Since this is a final, public release, all I can do now is...

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;if (it's a Mac and Java 1.4.1) {
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;hack...
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;hack...
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;hack...
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;}

[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: shetline ]</p>
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post #21 of 29
3/10/03 at 8:40pm
Well, I missed one important thing. I forgot to download the 1.4.1 developer tools that are now available from apple's developer site.

That said, if I recompile my stuff with the 1.4.1 compiler, some things do run noticeably faster now. On the other hand, one animated 3D ray-traced graphic thing I did now runs faster, but pauses briefly every second or two. (though the old version ran so slow it appeared to "pause" several times per second.)
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post #22 of 29
3/10/03 at 11:45pm
YES!

Java rules! It RULES!
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post #23 of 29
3/10/03 at 11:59pm
damn you ZO. :cool:
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post #24 of 29
3/11/03 at 12:32am
The KBase article:

<a href="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120197" target="_blank">http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120197</a>
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post #25 of 29
3/11/03 at 1:57am
Hi,
I installed it and tested it on a few sites and applets.
Feels a lot faster to me and the new text rendering and general graphical snappiness is nice.
One thing thats new for that I like is that all my applets used brushed metal interface widgets....

I like the metal look so i'm stoked but I understand i'm a lone voice on that issue....
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post #26 of 29
3/11/03 at 6:12am
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in my company we use Java for everything. there were some sites that I couldnt access before (Java Applet Failed to Initialize...) but now they work.

All 'seems' to work ok, havent had any glaring problems yet, or at least nothing I could really detect.

PS love ya too Def <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
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post #27 of 29
3/11/03 at 11:06am
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>PS love ya too Def <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

*smack*
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post #28 of 29
3/11/03 at 12:53pm
The news ticker on (sky.com) no longer works in Safari Seems a bit faster in IE though
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post #29 of 29
3/11/03 at 9:36pm
Anyone know how to get rid of the Java console that pops up every time I load an applet in Safari? I have disabled "Show Console" in both Applications\\Utilities\\Java\\Java 1.4.1 Plugin Settings and Java Plugin Settings...
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