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Arlington County police are still looking for the armed suspect who shot and seriously wounded an Apple employee at the Apple Store Clarendon this past friday and have released a pair of surveillance videos to the public that could aid their search.

The first video shows a male suspect wearing a baseball cap and brandishing a gun enter the rear of the store around 10:13 a.m., where he's met by a female retail employee. He then leads the employee towards the store's stock room at gunpoint, out of the camera's view.

A second video shows the suspect flee out the same door less than two minutes later, still holding the handgun. As AppleInsider was among the first to report friday, the suspect at some point during those two minutes fired a single shot that caught the employee in the right shoulder.

According to the Washington Post, a store employee who heard the shot found the injured employee and made the initial 911 call, while a doctor who was nearby assisted the victim until medics arrived.

The 26-year old victim remained hospitalized over the weekend, where she was list in "serious but stable condition," according to the paper. Although she briefly spoke with investigators, she was reportedly under sedation and will likely be interviewed again.

There were reportedly about three dozen people in the Virginia-based Apple store at the time of the shooting. Police have described the suspect as an "African American male in his 20s or 30s, 5-foot-7 to 6 feet tall and with a medium build."





He may have had facial hair or been wearing a fake beard at the time of the botched robbery. He was last seen "wearing a light-colored, short-sleeve shirt, light-colored pants and a dark cap with lettering."
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That textual description could fit half the city...
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The fact that it happened in an Apple Store is purely coincidental to this site. It's not Apple-related really, it's more a reflection on the failure of society. Our schools (worldwide) for one, only recognize and value highly a certain kind of intelligence, or aptitude. Several of the great artists or thought leaders this world has seen went relatively unnoticed at school. Any one of them could have had a much different life.
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It always makes me laugh when they post what clothes the person was wearing at the time when it is now 4 days later.
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All Apple Stores need color cameras like they have in banks. These are tough times and many people are desperate for survival.

These videos are not good enough to aid the police. Let's get to something relevant. Robberies occur in many places around the country everyday.
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Is the new iPhone 3GS that popular? Did they take anything? Be a great ending to the story (and stupidity) if they got caught with the new "locate me" feature on the iPhone.
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It always makes me laugh when they post what clothes the person was wearing at the time when it is now 4 days later.

Why? Somebody might remember seeing an individual wearing those clothes near the crime scene on the day in question (4 days ago) and remember something else, eg a car the individual used.

Or somebody might recognize the individual because they've got a neighbour who dressed like that 4 days ago.
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I just watched the first video. This guy is not the brightest criminal. That employee could have easily taken his gun away - like taking candy from a baby.

If you have never disarmed a criminal and then assaulted them with their own weapon (like punching them in the face with the barrel of their own gun and watching the teeth fly), trust me, there is nothing more satisfying in the world. And I'm sure that it is more life changing (for the better) than any stint in jail could ever be.
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The fact that it happened in an Apple Store is purely coincidental to this site. It's not Apple-related really, it's more a reflection on the failure of society. Our schools (worldwide) for one, only recognize and value highly a certain kind of intelligence, or aptitude. Several of the great artists or thought leaders this world has seen went relatively unnoticed at school. Any one of them could have had a much different life.

right, it's never the fault of the person who chose to pull the trigger, it's all our fault as a society that we didn't recognize this young gentleman was a poet and a scholar. \
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Why? Somebody might remember seeing an individual wearing those clothes near the crime scene on the day in question (4 days ago) and remember something else, eg a car the individual used.

Or somebody might recognize the individual because they've got a neighbour who dressed like that 4 days ago.


Your spelling of "neighbour" tells me thatyou are not from the States, let alone Philadelphia where 15 people can witness a murder and none of them will claim they saw anything.

A video or picture is how these people are caught - no one bothers to report to the police a person that they saw wearing those clothes (for many reasons) on the day in question.
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I just watched the first video. This guy is not the brightest criminal. That employee could have easily taken his gun away - like taking candy from a baby.

If you have never disarmed a criminal and then assaulted them with their own weapon (like punching them in the face with the barrel of their own gun and watching the teeth fly), trust me, there is nothing more satisfying in the world. And I'm sure that it is more life changing (for the better) than any stint in jail could ever be.


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Your spelling of "neighbour" tells me thatyou are not from the States, let alone Philadelphia where 15 people can witness a murder and none of them will claim they saw anything.

I presume you speak of fear of reprisals? Or why would they not come forward?

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A video or picture is how these people are caught - no one bothers to report to the police a person that they saw wearing those clothes (for many reasons) on the day in question.

Sorry I do not understand.... "A video or picture is how these people are caught", ... when no one bothers to report they saw the person in the video or picture.
so... how do videos or pictures help catch criminals?
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an "African American male in his 20s or 30s, 5-foot-7 to 6 feet tall and with a medium build."

Was he for sure an American? He apparently had African physical characteristics but might have been an illegal alien from many possible countries.

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It always makes me laugh when they post what clothes the person was wearing at the time when it is now 4 days later.

It is given to perhaps trigger any memory of people who may have seen the person that day, either before or after the shooting.
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Was he for sure an American? He apparently had African physical characteristics but might have been an illegal alien from many possible countries.

He probably spoke to the employees at some point, and his accent identified him as likely being American.
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Was he for sure an American? He apparently had African physical characteristics but might have been an illegal alien from many possible countries.

This is very true, he could be from anywhere. could be a black man from austria or sweden. might be a poet or scholar on an academic visa, could be a black woman from canada dressed as an american man. could be an african-american pretending to be an african-ruandan or african-congolese. could be steve jobs' surgeon who didn't get paid for the liver transplant. the possibilities.
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The fact that it happened in an Apple Store is purely coincidental to this site. It's not Apple-related really, it's more a reflection on the failure of society. Our schools (worldwide) for one, only recognize and value highly a certain kind of intelligence, or aptitude. Several of the great artists or thought leaders this world has seen went relatively unnoticed at school. Any one of them could have had a much different life.

Your comment is even less Apple related. I seriously doubt this guy is a misunderstood genius.
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I presume you speak of fear of reprisals? Or why would they not come forward?



Sorry I do not understand.... "A video or picture is how these people are caught", ... when no one bothers to report they saw the person in the video or picture.
so... how do videos or pictures help catch criminals?


Yes, fear of reprisal. I wasn't clear in my first post - so I apologize. I meant that people are not going to call the police to report that their neighbor is a black man in his 20's or 30's and has a beard and happened to be wearing a tan shirt on that given day (or whatever the description was) as that situation probably applied to hundreds of people on that day. However, the ability to see the shooter in a picture or video and then report it anonymously is far more likely. But, it still leaves the possibility of that person unwilling to testify.

In Philadelphia, over 70% of murders are not solved, and it is VERY common that someone who agrees to testify is killed before they are able to. We hear about this almost every week on the news. In most murder cases, no eyewitnesses are called - it's all forensic and circumstancial evidence that gets the conviction.
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He probably spoke to the employees at some point, and his accent identified him as likely being American.

Good to know the facts in the case, thanks. I just dislike the the term African-American unless of course it is being used by a person of African decent who is an American, which is rarely the case as they usually refer to themselves as black or American.

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This is very true, he could be from anywhere. could be a black man from austria or sweden. might be a poet or scholar on an academic visa, could be a black woman from canada dressed as an american man. could be an african-american pretending to be an african-ruandan or african-congolese. could be steve jobs' surgeon who didn't get paid for the liver transplant. the possibilities.

I have never cared for the term African-American. Where else are we pairing a continent with a country like that. Ive even heard it start for people that are neither. What if people know where they ancestors came from in a particular country in Africa? Does American refer to the USofA or to all the two continents known as North and South America? Should I be called be African-European-American because my gringo ass has a geneology that gets to the Americas from Africa via Europe over thousands of years? Heck, there might even be some Western Asian in the mix somewhere.
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Your spelling of "neighbour" tells me thatyou are not from the States, let alone Philadelphia where 15 people can witness a murder and none of them will claim they saw anything.

Just because you spell a word a certain way doesn't mean your necessarily from a certain area. I mean I use British English and I'm an American.

Also what does Philly have to do with anything wasn't this in DC?
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Just because you spell a word a certain way doesn't mean your necessarily from a certain area. I mean I use British English and I'm an American.

Im right there with you. I was asked that this weekend on Ai because of my occasional use of British-ish spelling.
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Yes, fear of reprisal. I wasn't clear in my first post - so I apologize.


I understand, thanks!
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The fact that it happened in an Apple Store is purely coincidental to this site. It's not Apple-related really, it's more a reflection on the failure of society. Our schools (worldwide) for one, only recognize and value highly a certain kind of intelligence, or aptitude. Several of the great artists or thought leaders this world has seen went relatively unnoticed at school. Any one of them could have had a much different life.

wtf are you talking about
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Whilst you guys are arguing about the ills of society and the fall in standards of human behaviour - I'm a little saddened that nobody cares for the welfare of the employee that was shot !!

I'm damn sure she didn't sign-up for that when she took to work in the store - I hope SJ finds a few minutes of his time to pass on his best wishes ...

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The fact that it happened in an Apple Store is purely coincidental to this site. It's not Apple-related really, it's more a reflection on the failure of society. Our schools (worldwide) for one, only recognize and value highly a certain kind of intelligence, or aptitude. Several of the great artists or thought leaders this world has seen went relatively unnoticed at school. Any one of them could have had a much different life.

This entire philosophical comment is not Apple-related, period.
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These videos are not good enough to aid the police.

Too bad the Apple clerk didn't offer an iPhone and to tell him it needed to be activated with AT&T for it to function, then say he has a courtesy trial of Mobile Me and set that up for him and then have the police use Mobile Me's "find my iPhone" feature and the next phrase that thug would hear is "book 'em, Dano"! \

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I have never cared for the term African-American. Where else are we pairing a continent with a country like that. Ive even heard it start for people that are neither. What if people know where they ancestors came from in a particular country in Africa? Does American refer to the USofA or to all the two continents known as North and South America? Should I be called be African-European-American because my gringo ass has a geneology that gets to the Americas from Africa via Europe over thousands of years? Heck, there might even be some Western Asian in the mix somewhere.

"African-American" is just political correctness run amok. Even president Obama, if described using this form of newspeak, might be called a "Kenyan-English-American". Ridiculous! \

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right, it's never the fault of the person who chose to pull the trigger, it's all our fault as a society that we didn't recognize this young gentleman was a poet and a scholar. \

THAT reply was poetry in and of itself! Well said.
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Whilst you guys are arguing about the ills of society and the fall in standards of human behaviour - I'm a little saddened that nobody cares for the welfare of the employee that was shot !!

I'm damn sure she didn't sign-up for that when she took to work in the store - I hope SJ finds a few minutes of his time to pass on his best wishes ...

Jon

I heard somewhere (most likely on the talkcast on TUAW yesterday) that SJ actually called and spoke to her.
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Why? Somebody might remember seeing an individual wearing those clothes near the crime scene on the day in question (4 days ago) and remember something else, eg a car the individual used.

Maybe my mind is shot but WTH?!?!? I couldn't even tell you with any degree of certainty what I was wearing just 2 short days ago let alone what my neighbor or some random Joe on the street happen to be wearing 4 days ago!

Like those stupid courtroom scenes where the lawyer asks, "what where you doing July 15th between the hours of 3:30 and 4:45..."

I sure know what I'd say... "Hell if I know, can I go home now?"

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Maybe my mind is shot but WTH?!?!? I couldn't even tell you with any degree of certainty what I was wearing just 2 short days ago let alone what my neighbor or some random Joe on the street happen to be wearing 4 days ago!

Like those stupid courtroom scenes where the lawyer asks, "what where you doing July 15th between the hours of 3:30 and 4:45..."

I sure know what I'd say... "Hell if I know, can I go home now?"

D

100% true for me, too!
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Maybe my mind is shot but WTH?!?!? I couldn't even tell you with any degree of certainty what I was wearing just 2 short days ago let alone what my neighbor or some random Joe on the street happen to be wearing 4 days ago!

Like those stupid courtroom scenes where the lawyer asks, "what where you doing July 15th between the hours of 3:30 and 4:45..."

I sure know what I'd say... "Hell if I know, can I go home now?"

D

Yeah, exactly. I can't tell you what anyone I know was wearing yesterday, or even this morning. I just don't pay attention to that. But I guess some (perhaps of the female persuasion ) do pay closer attention to such things.
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I hope SJ finds a few minutes of his time to pass on his best wishes ...

Jon

WTF? How would that make anything better? Getting to talk to a celebrity, will make getting shot somehow more worth it?
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Maybe my mind is shot but WTH?!?!? I couldn't even tell you with any degree of certainty what I was wearing just 2 short days ago let alone what my neighbor or some random Joe on the street happen to be wearing 4 days ago!

Like those stupid courtroom scenes where the lawyer asks, "what where you doing July 15th between the hours of 3:30 and 4:45..."

I sure know what I'd say... "Hell if I know, can I go home now?"

D

Yes but if they told you what he was wearing you might remember the details. Yes, now that you mention it, I did see a black man matching that description. I wondered to myself, where was he going in such a hurry with that pistol in his hand.

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Originally Posted by OC4Theo View Post

All Apple Stores need color cameras like they have in banks. These videos are not good enough to aid the police.

You're right. I wonder where Apple could find color video cameras and the equipment to connect to them and record to a hard disk? Hmmm....where where where?
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