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post #1 of 64
3/16/03 at 9:21pm
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And I don't mean huge as in disk space huge...I mean huge update.

Apple's been moving lots of things to Cocoa lately. Another thread in this forum was talking about QT possibly being Cocoaized for 10.3. If this happened...we'd definitely see a Cocoa QT and maybe a Cocoa Finder. And why not? A lot of things can happen in a year at the pace Apple is going. They certainly haven't been sitting on their hands. And now that the OS as a whole is complete, Apple can really start concentrating on little details.

Chances are we'll see a new database file system and hopfully a rewritten Finder (one that doesn't suck...and one that makes really good use of the database file system). I'm sure all the current apps shipped in 10.2 will get a fairly major update and the OS itself will get more speed optimizations.

By the time 10.3 comes out, we'll probably have the new iTunes and possibly iWorks. Or Apple might wait and ship these apps with 10.3 making 10.3 a must-have update almost instantly.

Could you imagine? 10.3 for $129:

iWorks (word processor, spreadsheet, Keynote, database)
iLife (iTunes 4, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, iPhoto 2)
Safari, iChat, Sherlock
Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync
QT7
DVD Player 4

Just this suite of app would be worth getting 10.3. But somehow I think 10.3 will go beyond the addition of apps and the update of apps.

Like I said...a database file system...a file recovery program...a vastly improved Finder (come on, this is overdue...you know they've been working on some top secret rewrite of the Finder in the last 2 years). Good ol' BeOS' Dominic wasn't hired for just a journaling filesystem...there's more to this I'm sure.

This year will be frickin' amazin'. 10.3. Major updates to apps. New iWorks. And the 970s.

I apologize if this thread could have been merged with another...but I feel like this thread should stand alone from the other 10.3 threads.

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3/16/03 at 10:39pm
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I will rather get a new machine with 10.3 preinstalled
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post #3 of 64
3/16/03 at 11:05pm
<blockquote>Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>I will rather get a new machine with 10.3 preinstalled </strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #4 of 64
3/17/03 at 10:59pm
anyone have the system requirements for 10.3 as of yet?
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post #5 of 64
3/17/03 at 11:01pm
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anyone have the system requirements for 10.3 as of yet?

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3/17/03 at 11:07pm
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post #7 of 64
3/17/03 at 11:50pm
God I just want a new Finder. Please.
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post #8 of 64
3/17/03 at 11:58pm
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post #9 of 64
3/18/03 at 12:11am
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God I just want a new Finder. Please.

What exactly do you want to see in this "new Finder"? And what is this directory file system or whatever that the guy who started this column wants to see in 10.3?
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post #10 of 64
3/18/03 at 1:40am
(muhaha.... gotta love that damn knight rider theme. )

a properly threaded finder that doesn´t completely hang when looking for unavailable network devices would do fine already.
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post #11 of 64
3/18/03 at 3:16am
It's gonna be huge, I hope.

I think it has to be. With the Quartz advantage and an updated range of software and not to mention the iWorks et al software blitz Fred Anderson is hinting at...then Apple need to keep piling on the pressure on M$.

The only way Apple is going to get growth is if they offer software, OS and hardware offerings that are cleary superior to Windows in everyway.

Classic Mac advantages of ease of use, elegance and the new digital hub mantra need to be pressed home. With OS 'X', many things should be possible.

And Kim's list is a worthy place to start for 10.3. I'm expecting a tidal wave of features to make Jag' look like a domestic cat...

Go Panther...

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post #12 of 64
3/18/03 at 4:44am
Well... Along with what others have already requested... one other thing that I'd love to see in 10.3 is a really good 'switch user' feature.

As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.

Ugh... I just can't wait for more people to go 'classic free'... I've not had a Mac OS 9 System Folder for quite some time now and it feels SO good!

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post #13 of 64
3/18/03 at 6:16am
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Originally posted by Proud iBook Owner 2k2
anyone have the system requirements for 10.3 as of yet?

I would assume it will run on the came computers that can run Mac OS 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2, but it's probably best to wait until after WWDC to get real answers.
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post #14 of 64
3/18/03 at 7:21am
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What exactly do you want to see in this "new Finder"? And what is this directory file system or whatever that the guy who started this column wants to see in 10.3?

How about decent multithreading? Sheesh, the Finder is like the only app the hangs my system for any time. Try copying (or even just moving) a lot of files from one folder to another. Painful.

People think OS X is slower than OS 9 because they interact with the Finder so much. Perception is important for convincing more people to switch to OS X.
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post #15 of 64
3/18/03 at 8:56am
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I will rather get a new machine with 10.3 preinstalled

Same here. I'm looking forward to buying a nice new Rev.B 12-inch PowerBook 1Ghz with 1GB RAM, DVI-out, and Mac OS X 10.3 Panther preinstalled.

Oh, and Panther is definitely going to be huge. Only caveat: I don't think we'll get iWorks included for free. Remember, they charge $100 just for Keynote.

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post #16 of 64
3/18/03 at 9:50am
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As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.

Dave

Thats my thought too, how can you expect classic to utilize the finder from X if it's a cocoa only app that classic can't use....
My feeling is that Apple will finally kill off OS 9 with it.
I think it's fair, if Quark is out for X by then pretty much everything has been ported (I know some people will have stuff that still hasn't made it over or never will, and I do sympathise).
We're at a stage where Macs no longer boot into 9 it's a logical step to kill off classic. Hopefully losing all that code neccesary to keep up classic as a viable option might make things zip a bit quicker in X....
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post #17 of 64
3/18/03 at 9:57am
feature list: (aka wish list)

-Databased, self optimizing File System.
-Copy, Move, Download, FTP, WebDAV Transfers using one common Finder window to manage data traffic.
-Cocoa Finder
-Some sort of awesome meta-data system to replace Labels ( and all the bitching that that brought)
-KHTML/Safari html renderer boosting help, sherlock and other web enabled services.
-iChat enhanced with Video Conf.
-Bluetooth enhancements and 3G tie-ins
-Rendezvous based services making a bigger appearance.
-More file systems supported by the OS: NTFS, Ext2 etc...
-A way of starting up at a set time
-Multiple customisable Docks
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post #18 of 64
3/18/03 at 12:23pm
All I'll say is that it had better be something pretty phenomenal to meet expectations, but I don't hold out any hope for it being a mega features jump...more of a major tuneup. I hope that I'm really wrong.
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post #19 of 64
3/18/03 at 12:48pm
I've read that some people are having trouble deleting apps. I hope 10.3 comes with an un-install feature.

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post #20 of 64
3/18/03 at 1:09pm
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I hope 10.3 comes with an un-install feature.

Ick! No!

If someone has trouble removing an app, it is the fault of the developer for not properly wrapping up the app in a single package. That's the way Mac OS X apps are supposed to be made. App installs should be as simple as drag-and-drop to the Applications folder and drag-and-drop to the Trash. There is absolutely no reason that most apps should need either an installer or uninstaller.

The only things that would possibly need an uninstaller are device drivers or kernel extensions that install into /System. Those are so rare that they would not warrant needing to offer the possible unnecessary confusion that having an uninstaller would entail.
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post #21 of 64
3/18/03 at 3:27pm
Is NTFS a database-based file system?
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post #22 of 64
3/18/03 at 3:31pm
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Ick! No!

If someone has trouble removing an app, it is the fault of the developer for not properly wrapping up the app in a single package. That's the way Mac OS X apps are supposed to be made. App installs should be as simple as drag-and-drop to the Applications folder and drag-and-drop to the Trash. There is absolutely no reason that most apps should need either an installer or uninstaller.

The only things that would possibly need an uninstaller are device drivers or kernel extensions that install into /System. Those are so rare that they would not warrant needing to offer the possible unnecessary confusion that having an uninstaller would entail.

I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.

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post #23 of 64
3/18/03 at 5:06pm
There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.

Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
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post #24 of 64
3/19/03 at 11:20pm
But what about browsers that store cache, bookmarks, preferences, passwords, and lots of other stuff in your Library folder? Those generally involve a single drag-and-drop copy from a .dmg to install, but they create application support files out of necessity. That's not the fault of the developers.
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post #25 of 64
3/19/03 at 11:25pm
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There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.

Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.

It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*

*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!
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3/20/03 at 3:16am
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It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*

*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!

Me either really.
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3/20/03 at 6:42am
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Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.

That would only work if all of Apple's lineup used the 970. What about the rest of the G4 and G3 using folks. Too Microsoft to throw hardware at a software problem.
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3/20/03 at 7:27am
I think my PowerBook runs X just fine -- I'm no 3D-crunching/10-apps-at-a-time speed-o-phile, but it seems very quick about itself compared to my old Pismo running Jag.

Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ...
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3/21/03 at 9:10am
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I think my PowerBook runs X just fine -- I'm no 3D-crunching/10-apps-at-a-time speed-o-phile, but it seems very quick about itself compared to my old Pismo running Jag.

Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ...

I have the same computer... I can't tell you enough how awesome it runs Jag.... beautiful... Hell, even my iMac runs Jag pretty well... not like my PowerBook though...
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3/21/03 at 10:01am
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Is NTFS a database-based file system?

No, but it has some nice metadata support. It's a lot like HFS in that it allows multiple streams (HFS has 2, data and resource). But unlike HFS it's not limited to 2 streams. So, in other words, it's similar in some ways to a DB filesystem, but it's not.

Oh, and MS is working on making a real DB filesystem based off of MS SQL Server that will be in Longhorn (Windows 2005). Apple had better show them up.
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3/21/03 at 10:17am
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Well, that gives Apple until 2008 to beat them to the punch, and 2010 to beat them to getting it right...
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post #32 of 64
3/21/03 at 10:28am
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I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.

I think it would be a good idea (might even have something like this but I haven't noticed) that opening a software receipt will open the Installer app and then uninstall support files as well as the app itself.
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3/21/03 at 10:44am
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It does.*

IF the developer has set the Installer package up in the first place to do so. The pieces are there, go gripe at the developers for not using them.

* Not automatically - it activates an Uninstall menu item.
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3/21/03 at 2:05pm
I don't know about you guys- but I am most looking forward to Pixar coming out with a new black Panther cat hair texture.
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3/21/03 at 4:48pm
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post #36 of 64
3/21/03 at 4:49pm
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Well... Along with what others have already requested... one other thing that I'd love to see in 10.3 is a really good 'switch user' feature.

As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.

Baloney.

1. IPC between Cocoa and Classic applications works fine. For an example, try dragging and dropping text between Safari and SimpleText in Classic. Works fine. So does copy and paste, AppleScript, etc. Cocoa and Classic apps can talk to each other.

2. The Mac OS X Finder doesn't need to run in the Classic environment, so it doesn't make an ounce of difference whether it can or not.

3. Even if it did matter, the Mac OS X Finder is a Mach-O binary anyway, which is just as incompatible with Classic as Cocoa is.

The reason that the Finder hasn't been rewritten in Cocoa is that Apple doesn't want to rewrite the Finder. Plain and simple.
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3/21/03 at 5:44pm
iLife will be sold, as it is now, seperatly. iWorks will be comprised of Keynote and all the other apps, and will be sold seperatly (Keynote already costs $99). Except for "Document" which will be bundled on all new Macs, or maybe in the OS.

iWorks (word processor, spreadsheet, Keynote, database) Naw
iLife (iTunes 4, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, iPhoto 2) Naw
Safari, iChat, Sherlock
Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync
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DVD Player 4 Yeah, so?

-Databased, self optimizing File System. Hopefully
-Copy, Move, Download, FTP, WebDAV Transfers using one common Finder window to manage data traffic. Do they not already?
-Cocoa Finder Let's hope
-KHTML/Safari html renderer boosting help, sherlock and other web enabled services. Yeah
-iChat enhanced with Video Conf. Yeah
-Bluetooth enhancements and 3G tie-ins Maybe....
-Rendezvous based services making a bigger appearance. Y eah
-More file systems supported by the OS: NTFS, Ext2 etc... Yeah, so?
-A way of starting up at a set time Maybe.....
-Multiple customisable Docks Probably not

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3/21/03 at 5:47pm
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I don't know about you guys- but I am most looking forward to Pixar coming out with a new black Panther cat hair texture.

As am I. About the Finder and Classic Compatability thing, I have heard that as well and I am not so shure it is pure bologna. I hope we don't have system wide brushed metal as I thing it would get old and annoying fast

I am looking forward to it all, yes, i want that Pixar Panther X
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post #39 of 64
3/21/03 at 8:01pm
I think a cocoa finder is a little over hyped. Carbon is a fine API (pain to program in compared to cocoa though) and it gets the job done just as well as cocoa would (if not faster, since cocoa is a higher level API). I'm not sure what benefits we would see with a cocoa finder.
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3/21/03 at 8:45pm
Maybe DVD player 4.0 with support 5.1

Apple's new 970 powermacs with have dolby digital out- that would take care of a big problem right now.
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