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post #41 of 64
3/21/03 at 8:54pm
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Apple's new 970 powermacs with have dolby digital out- that would take care of a big problem right now.

How CONFIRMED is this?
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post #42 of 64
3/21/03 at 11:44pm
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post #43 of 64
3/22/03 at 1:24am
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Originally posted by CharlesS
Baloney.

1. IPC between Cocoa and Classic applications works fine. For an example, try dragging and dropping text between Safari and SimpleText in Classic. Works fine. So does copy and paste, AppleScript, etc. Cocoa and Classic apps can talk to each other.

2. The Mac OS X Finder doesn't need to run in the Classic environment, so it doesn't make an ounce of difference whether it can or not.

3. Even if it did matter, the Mac OS X Finder is a Mach-O binary anyway, which is just as incompatible with Classic as Cocoa is.

The reason that the Finder hasn't been rewritten in Cocoa is that Apple doesn't want to rewrite the Finder. Plain and simple.

Hey charles sorry to flame but you're startlingly naive...

I've been informed quite explicitly by a close friend who is a software developer and who has worked at Apple, that the Finder classic/carbon issue is a real one.
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post #44 of 64
3/22/03 at 1:28am
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-Databased, self optimizing File System. Hopefully
-Copy, Move, Download, FTP, WebDAV Transfers using one common Finder window to manage data traffic. Do they not already?

-More file systems supported by the OS: NTFS, Ext2 etc... Yeah, so?


No they don't...and it annoys me i forgot to add cd/dvd burning, disk formatting to the list too.

The FS issue would help me out a lot as I admin a multi platform netowrk and the chance to drop a win or linux drivr into my g4 to copy files perform maintenance, heck even installs would be great.
And how much quicker would VPC run from an actual drive than from a disk image
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post #45 of 64
3/22/03 at 7:57am
Sorry- the 5.1 isn't confermed- just an idea of mine because there isn't any 3rd party support for 5.1 sound.
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post #46 of 64
3/22/03 at 8:54am
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I've been informed quite explicitly by a close friend who is a software developer and who has worked at Apple, that the Finder classic/carbon issue is a real one.

Rob, any chance you can expand on that at all?
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post #47 of 64
3/22/03 at 9:54am
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Originally posted by kim kap sol

iWorks (word processor, spreadsheet, Keynote, database)
iLife (iTunes 4, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, iPhoto 2)
Safari, iChat, Sherlock
Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync
QT7
DVD Player 4

I really hope the don't name their productivity suite iWorks. That just sounds stupid.

I think it's too early for QT7. Probably just 6.x. Also, its too early for iTunes 4. Once again, I expect a 3.x release.

Obviously, the final version of Safari will be included.

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Originally posted by tacojohn:
Sorry- the 5.1 isn't confermed- just an idea of mine because there isn't any 3rd party support for 5.1 sound.

I'd like to see that. It'd be great if they would also include a 5.1 sound card in the PM's to go with it as well.


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There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.

No. That would be one ugly menu bar. Can you imagine the Display menu bar item on brushed metal? :ick: Plus, it wouldn't look all that great on a Studio display, because of the thick border, IMHO.
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post #48 of 64
3/22/03 at 10:37am
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Originally posted by robster
Hey charles sorry to flame but you're startlingly naive...

I've been informed quite explicitly by a close friend who is a software developer and who has worked at Apple, that the Finder classic/carbon issue is a real one.

You know, it might be a better idea to at least give one good reason why this would be an issue before flaming... "startlingly naive" indeed. Do you understand anything about the Cocoa and Carbon API's? Have you ever even looked at them, or tried to understand how they work? Have you ever considered that your friend who is a software developer isn't God, and that he might have been mistaken on this issue?

At the root level, Cocoa and Carbon are both built on top of CoreFoundation. In addition, many of the "Finder-like" stuff is in other frameworks, like LaunchServices.framework. Cocoa is just a higher-level API than Carbon, that's all. Neither is more or less capable of communicating with Classic apps. Neither is capable of running under OS 9 if they're both compiled to Mach-O binaries.

I've given reasons why it's not a problem, but I haven't heard any good reasons why it would be yet. Who's naive? Give me one good reason - that's all I ask. If it's a good enough reason to convince me, then so be it. But so far, you've provided nothing, but instead decided to just throw insults.
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post #49 of 64
3/22/03 at 12:56pm
I agree, one of the things I hope Apple does it put some functions in the disk Utilility app, like defragging capability! I mean does OSX harddrive not need to be defragged once in a while? and cd session burning capabilty as well, what the hell is up with not having that! well I could be wrong they may have it now, but not on the G4 733 I was using at work a while ago..anyone know?





[QUOTE]Originally posted by kim kap sol
[B]And I don't mean huge as in disk space huge...I mean huge update.
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post #50 of 64
3/22/03 at 1:14pm
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Originally posted by CharlesS
You know, it might be a better idea to at least give one good reason why this would be an issue before flaming... "startlingly naive" indeed. Do you understand anything about the Cocoa and Carbon API's? Have you ever even looked at them, or tried to understand how they work? Have you ever considered that your friend who is a software developer isn't God, and that he might have been mistaken on this issue?

At the root level, Cocoa and Carbon are both built on top of CoreFoundation. In addition, many of the "Finder-like" stuff is in other frameworks, like LaunchServices.framework. Cocoa is just a higher-level API than Carbon, that's all. Neither is more or less capable of communicating with Classic apps. Neither is capable of running under OS 9 if they're both compiled to Mach-O binaries.

I've given reasons why it's not a problem, but I haven't heard any good reasons why it would be yet. Who's naive? Give me one good reason - that's all I ask. If it's a good enough reason to convince me, then so be it. But so far, you've provided nothing, but instead decided to just throw insults.

I think i type my last message when I was in a bad mood, didn't mean to sound confrontational.
To be open, I've not got any great technical API knowledge, beyond some basic Cocoa tinkering. However my friend who tipped me off on this I respect a lot and I understand from mutual friends that he is very well respected among his (work) peers. All I am saying is that I've been told there is apparantely something preventing recoding the Finder into Cocoa and that something breaks Classic in it's current form.
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post #51 of 64
3/22/03 at 3:17pm
Fair enough: as far as I'm concerned, just as soon as we can dump Classic, the better. There's no OS 9 on any active drives round here (although a backup sticks around purely for nostalgic reasons).

Quiok followup to CubeDude , it looks like the next iteration of iTunes will have AAC support and be tied into this alleged music-serving service. Whether or not Apple reckons this is worthy of a whole-number level-bump, I wouldn't like to say, but on past evidence of the iTunes roadmap, I wouldn't say it was unlikely. Anyone remember the differences between the various levels? I know 2 was the first to support iPod, but other than that...
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post #52 of 64
3/22/03 at 6:09pm
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Originally posted by hypoluxa
I agree, one of the things I hope Apple does it put some functions in the disk Utilility app, like defragging capability! I mean does OSX harddrive not need to be defragged once in a while? and cd session burning capabilty as well, what the hell is up with not having that! well I could be wrong they may have it now, but not on the G4 733 I was using at work a while ago..anyone know?

That would be great. Toast sucks, and not having to launch it to burn multiple sessions would be great.

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Quiok followup to CubeDude , it looks like the next iteration of iTunes will have AAC support and be tied into this alleged music-serving service. Whether or not Apple reckons this is worthy of a whole-number level-bump, I wouldn't like to say, but on past evidence of the iTunes roadmap, I wouldn't say it was unlikely. Anyone remember the differences between the various levels? I know 2 was the first to support iPod, but other than that...

Maybe, but only if the alleged music service was announced officialy. AAC support doesn't warant a 4.0 update to me. If you remember that when the iPod was announced iTunes 2 came with it. iTunes 3 would probably be 2.x if Apple hadn't dropped iTunes OS9 support with it. I think the next major revamp of iTunes will be 4.x only if the Apple music service is announced along with it, like the iPod(new MP3 product, new iTunes).
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post #53 of 64
3/22/03 at 9:13pm
What sucks about Toast?
I really like how easy and straightforward the app is...

But, the functionality really should be built into OS X.
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post #54 of 64
3/23/03 at 6:38am
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post #55 of 64
3/23/03 at 7:21am
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post #56 of 64
3/23/03 at 10:38am
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Originally posted by drewprops
What sucks about Toast?
I really like how easy and straightforward the app is...

But, the functionality really should be built into OS X.

Toast is straightforward, but has sometimes crashed on me while burning a CD, resulting in a worthless CD.
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post #57 of 64
3/23/03 at 1:40pm
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Originally posted by hypoluxa
I agree, one of the things I hope Apple does it put some functions in the disk Utilility app, like defragging capability! I mean does OSX harddrive not need to be defragged once in a while? and cd session burning capabilty as well, what the hell is up with not having that! well I could be wrong they may have it now, but not on the G4 733 I was using at work a while ago..anyone know?

The Mac OS X file system does not get as fragmented as the file systems that are used on Windows machines due to a better design, so there is less need for defragging.
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post #58 of 64
3/23/03 at 1:41pm
I had a conversation with one of Apple UK's senior marketing guys at a seminar last year, and his thought on the subject of Toast was something along the lines of "why would we bother spending a lot of money trying to put another company out of business?" (got quite a laugh, especially since his Powerpoint presentation had crashed a few minutes earlier), and I think Apple would argue that the basic functionalities required of CD burning (data storage and music-CD creation) are already covered in the OS. Although multi-session would be nice...
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post #59 of 64
3/23/03 at 1:51pm
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And how much quicker would VPC run from an actual drive than from a disk image

Hmm. Actually, in VPC's bundle, there is a fsck_msdos. That /might/ mean that VPC will run faster with FAT32 partitions. No idea.
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post #60 of 64
3/23/03 at 11:58pm
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I had a conversation with one of Apple UK's senior marketing guys at a seminar last year, and his thought on the subject of Toast was something along the lines of "why would we bother spending a lot of money trying to put another company out of business?" (got quite a laugh, especially since his Powerpoint presentation had crashed a few minutes earlier), and I think Apple would argue that the basic functionalities required of CD burning (data storage and music-CD creation) are already covered in the OS. Although multi-session would be nice...

I beleive you can burn multi-session CD-s already in 10.2 but you have to use Disk Copy to do it. There's a KB article around somewhere

Burning Multi-Session CD's in 10.2
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post #61 of 64
3/23/03 at 11:59pm
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Maybe, but only if the alleged music service was announced officialy. AAC support doesn't warant a 4.0 update to me. If you remember that when the iPod was announced iTunes 2 came with it. iTunes 3 would probably be 2.x if Apple hadn't dropped iTunes OS9 support with it. I think the next major revamp of iTunes will be 4.x only if the Apple music service is announced along with it, like the iPod(new MP3 product, new iTunes).


I thought it might also get rendezvous support at last....as demoed about 1000 years ago it seems...
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post #62 of 64
3/25/03 at 12:53pm
Hey cool thanx for that tidbit of info! Now If I ever get around to getting a new mac, that'll be good to know!


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I beleive you can burn multi-session CD-s already in 10.2 but you have to use Disk Copy to do it. There's a KB article around somewhere

Burning Multi-Session CD's in 10.2
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post #63 of 64
3/25/03 at 1:50pm
So the Mac HFS file system that is on X is better than the previous versions on older macs? Or is it the Unix file system that you can choose as well under OSX that is superior and doesnt need defragging? Im confused. What would happen if I format my mac HD to the Unix structure wil all native x apps still work on it?


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The Mac OS X file system does not get as fragmented as the file systems that are used on Windows machines due to a better design, so there is less need for defragging.
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post #64 of 64
3/25/03 at 2:15pm
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Originally posted by hypoluxa
So the Mac HFS file system that is on X is better than the previous versions on older macs?

HFS+ (the standard, default, and recommended filesystem for Mac OS X) is just as susceptible to fragmentation as it was on Mac OS 9. Files become fragmented and free space becomes fragmented just the same under Mac OS X as under Classic Mac OS.

This is a common misconception.
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