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post #121 of 143
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Originally Posted by CurtisEMayle View Post

Though I used all the evolving apps since '80 (having access to them all as head of a university CS department), memory is best augmented with more reliable sources for info vs. opinion.

I do remember Sybase and Ashton-Tate being involved in the early SQL server, but don't recall why the naming delay as I'd long gone the Oracle route by then.

Sybase requirements on naming scheme until MS changed enough of the baseline code and/or added to it...
post #122 of 143
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Yes, their apps are clean. They are easy to use.

But, and this is the point I'm trying to make, is it what people want?

There isn't any evidence to show this yet. So far, cloud computing hasn't taken off. Will it take off? No one knows.

Google is making a bet, with Chrome, that it will. But they don't know either.

MS is also covering it's ***, just in case, but they also don't know.

So what I'm saying is that we have a new lightweight OS that may come out in no less than a year from now, that no one knows much about, using cloud based apps that no one knows if people will want to use.

Is this a good bet?

iPhone started with only web based apps but has obviously progressed far beyond that. In the end I think we'll just have to agree to disagree as I still say this is actually the opportune time for them to head this direction. Ultimately we won't really know until a year or so. The web thus far has had a great impact on pushing companies like MS into supporting standards.

As web standards continue to progress it is my prediction we will begin seeing an even sharper curve towards cloud computing. Do I have much evidence to support the popularity of cloud computing? No, but we do have plenty of evidence that web standards have gained a lot of ground in recent years.

All this said, cloud computing is still a tiny fraction of the market but a lot of big companies are buying into it's potential & I gotta believe that is enough evidence to show it has great potential.
post #123 of 143
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Originally Posted by hezekiahb View Post

iPhone started with only web based apps but has obviously progressed far beyond that. In the end I think we'll just have to agree to disagree as I still say this is actually the opportune time for them to head this direction. Ultimately we won't really know until a year or so. The web thus far has had a great impact on pushing companies like MS into supporting standards.

As web standards continue to progress it is my prediction we will begin seeing an even sharper curve towards cloud computing. Do I have much evidence to support the popularity of cloud computing? No, but we do have plenty of evidence that web standards have gained a lot of ground in recent years.

All this said, cloud computing is still a tiny fraction of the market but a lot of big companies are buying into it's potential & I gotta believe that is enough evidence to show it has great potential.

I've seen a lot of things over the years that had a lot of potential and seems to be making progress, only to die out. I'm not saying it will die out, just that we don't yet know if it will be a success. I'm expressing an ambivalent attitude towards something that we know very little about. You're expressing a strong confidence in the same thing.

Google is making it very clear that the entire point to this is that it is a cloud computing OS and that's it.

A year from now, we mat be expressing opposite beliefs about this still, but out positions may be reversed.

I'm just saying that we should wait before pronouncing something so new and unformed as a major force to be reckoned with.

It's very possible, assuming that Google goes through with this that it will be a category for the cheapest of machines, and nothing else, even though Google is expressing that it may even take over desktops.
post #124 of 143
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Originally Posted by IQ78 View Post

Integrated Suite
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AppleWorks (for the //e), first integrated package... Amazing product.

Individual Applications:
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VisaCalc (first spreadsheet.... yes Lotus123 was a COMPLETE ripoff of VisaCalc)
AppleWriter, Wordstar (dedicated processor), ScreenWriter (nasty copy protection)
Hardard Graphics (good one!)
File Cabinet (for Apple ][ integer basic..even before MS wrote FP Basic for apple ii)

VisiCalc was the first ever computer-based spreadsheet application.

If you are talking about a suite of products, I think it was WordStar, DataStar and CalcStar (from a company called MicroPro) for 8 bit 8080 CPU-based CP/M computers with 64K RAM.

Then SuperCalc came in from a company that was later to become Computer Associates. SuperCalc was the number one spreadsheet for 8-bit CP/M computers in those days. Then Mitch Kapor came up with a new rip-off of SuperCalc and VisiCalc called Lotus 1-2-3, again for 8 bit CP/M computers.

In those days it was impossible to dethrone SuperCalc, but Lotus Corporation managed to do it finally. Then came Windows and though there were versions of Wordstar and SuperCalc for Windows, Lotus ran away with that market.

I have used all above products extensively and actually enjoyed using those, especially WordStar with all its Control-Keys!

By the way, I think WordPerfect existed a while before WordStar did (it was the leading and the most powerful word processor in those days). MicroSoft (yes, in those days the S was capitalised) did have Word for DOS (I remember the Blue screen with White letters) before it existed for Apple's computers.

Excel was first written for Apple and then ported over to Windows.

I think Harvard Graphics existed long before Powerpoint did. Was it not the first ever presentation software, just like VisiCalc was the first ever spreadsheet?

Mosaic was the first ever graphical browser (I don't think the World-wide Web existed in those days and therefore Mosaic was never called a web browser). I don't know if Microsoft bought Mosaic and renamed it to Internet Explorer or if they just used the underlying technology.

Incidentally all this is from what is still in my failing memory, so I am not really sure about the accuracy of my information.

Cheers
post #125 of 143
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Originally Posted by tilt View Post

VisiCalc was the first ever computer-based spreadsheet application.

If you are talking about a suite of products, I think it was WordStar, DataStar and CalcStar (from a company called MicroPro) for 8 bit 8080 CPU-based CP/M computers with 64K RAM.

Then SuperCalc came in from a company that was later to become Computer Associates. SuperCalc was the number one spreadsheet for 8-bit CP/M computers in those days. Then Mitch Kapor came up with a new rip-off of SuperCalc and VisiCalc called Lotus 1-2-3, again for 8 bit CP/M computers.

In those days it was impossible to dethrone SuperCalc, but Lotus Corporation managed to do it finally. Then came Windows and though there were versions of Wordstar and SuperCalc for Windows, Lotus ran away with that market.

I have used all above products extensively and actually enjoyed using those, especially WordStar with all its Control-Keys!

By the way, I think WordPerfect existed a while before WordStar did (it was the leading and the most powerful word processor in those days). MicroSoft (yes, in those days the S was capitalised) did have Word for DOS (I remember the Blue screen with White letters) before it existed for Apple's computers.

Excel was first written for Apple and then ported over to Windows.

I think Harvard Graphics existed long before Powerpoint did. Was it not the first ever presentation software, just like VisiCalc was the first ever spreadsheet?

Mosaic was the first ever graphical browser (I don't think the World-wide Web existed in those days and therefore Mosaic was never called a web browser). I don't know if Microsoft bought Mosaic and renamed it to Internet Explorer or if they just used the underlying technology.

Incidentally all this is from what is still in my failing memory, so I am not really sure about the accuracy of my information.

Cheers

Electric Pencil was one of the first word processors also.

I could never remember all of those two key combos for WordStar. You really needed to go take a course for that, and they used to offer them for secretarial staff.

I still have the key layovers for the three versions of Wordperfect I used. One, for PC's, two, for my Atari St, and three, for my Mac.

MS bought the right to use Mosaic from the University, I think it was, or possibly from the company that was later formed.
post #126 of 143
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Originally Posted by tilt View Post

Mosaic was the first ever graphical browser (I don't think the World-wide Web existed in those days and therefore Mosaic was never called a web browser). I don't know if Microsoft bought Mosaic and renamed it to Internet Explorer or if they just used the underlying technology.

They bought the underlying technology from Spyglass, the company which was created and subsequently IPO-ed by the one of the founders of Mosaic! (I am forgetting his name; the other founder of Mosiac was, of course, Marc Andreessen, of Netscape fame).
post #127 of 143
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

They bought the underlying technology from Spyglass, the company which was created and subsequently IPO-ed by the one of the founders of Mosaic! (I am forgetting his name; the other founder of Mosiac was, of course, Marc Andreessen, of Netscape fame).

I just looked it up. Tim Krauskopf
post #128 of 143
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I just looked it up. Tim Krauskopf

Cool.

Ah, I am probably sounding like an old fart now, but those were the days..... somehow, twitter does not quite feel like the same revolution. \
post #129 of 143
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Cool.

Ah, I am probably sounding like an old fart now, but those were the days..... somehow, twitter does not quite feel like the same revolution. \

I remember them very well. We are so jaded these days. The biggest developments now seem so trivial.

I used Compuserve at 300 baud. I could read the letters as they popped on the screen.

I remember going to a computer convention and was taken into a room with some new machines where they showed me that their machines were so fast that I couldn't keep up with the words appearing on the screen. That was big time. An 8 bit machine with 48 KB RAM and no video cards. Wow! I bought the amber monitor for my Atari 800 because it was better than the green ones, which were cheaper. A full 320 x 240 rez in composite no less!!! And it had an anti glare screen made of a fine mesh glued to the screen. Only the best - Amdek.

Boy, the older computers I had were toast!
post #130 of 143
Ballmer's underestimating google at his own peril, i mean i just watched the keynote introducing the Google Wave and i must say what they showed was simply amazing this new wave platform could just as well redefine the way we communicate on the internet... by conjecture am sure they'll integrate it with the new Chrome OS, am sure it'll give microsoft a run for their money..
post #131 of 143
Microsoft and Ballmer have become caricatures of themselves; and if they are not careful, they will lose in a major major way. Ballmer forgets there are still millions of people out there like my mother who don't care how slick the Aero interface is or how innovative the browser can be. They just want their computers to work and not have to spend so much time patching, keeping up with security updates, trying figure out why their Hotmail works differently now than yesterday, the list goes on.

MS may end up as the Digital Equipment Corporation of the 21st century.

Perhaps laughter is just how Ballmer shows he's nervous. [/QUOTE]
post #132 of 143
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Originally Posted by aplnub View Post

When Steve Ballmer laughs something off, it bites him in the ass every time! Way to go Steve, now Google is destined to succeed.

My thinking exactly. Now is the time to invest heavily in Google.
post #133 of 143
Perhaps laughter is just how Ballmer shows he's nervous.
post #134 of 143
it's somewhat dangerous to be dismissive toward any company nowadays. things can and do change relatively quickly in the technology sector.
post #135 of 143
I particularly like Ballmer's little tell when he's asked a question about a successful competitor: he leans forward and narrows his eyes and sort of cocks his head, as if he can't believe the nonsense he's hearing and wonders if the interviewer is crazy. Then he does his short barking laugh, then he condescendingly explains why MS has no worries on that front, on account of their awesomeness.

Being subsequently shown to be completely clueless doesn't seem to make him any more circumspect the next time. That's the interesting thing about Ballmer-- he's just permanently pugnacious on every topic and doesn't know the meaning of being tempered by experience.
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post #136 of 143
the RC of Chrome OS appears to be near and a release in November 2010 a possibility
http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/11/chrome-os-release/
post #137 of 143
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

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post #138 of 143
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Originally Posted by bobertoq View Post

Just like he laughed at the iPhone?

umm the iphone is probably the butt of every joke out there, so he kinda hit the nail on the head when he "rigorously lol'd" at apple
post #139 of 143
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Originally Posted by Doorman. View Post

Perhaps laughter is just how Ballmer shows he's nervous.

Edited out crudeness.

If you want to write like that, do it elsewhere.
post #140 of 143
Hello, my name is Steve Ballmer. I am fourty years old, i am divorced and i LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!
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Originally Posted by Sir Gilliam View Post

Hello, my name is Steve Ballmer. I am fourty years old, i am divorced and i LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!

ha ha. Well I doubt that anytime soon.

But seriously, if microshaft doesn't shake things up at the top and ditch ballmer like NOW, they're toast. Tey'll continue on their current business for another decade, and will slowly, fade to a shockingly small version of itself.

Wait. Maybe, apple will just buy them at that point. Just, for kicks.
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post #142 of 143
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Originally Posted by Sir Duffel View Post

Edited out crudeness.

If you want to write like that, do it elsewhere.

I'm sorry I forgot the apple population was filled with retarded fanboys who had virgin ears.
post #143 of 143
There is a famous story about a meeting between Yahoo and Microsoft which took place when Yahoo was still a small start-up. Yahoo was growing at neck-breaking speed and David Filo and Jerry Yang were invited to Redmond to talk about working together.

The meeting turned into a disappointment when Steve Ballmer joined the conversation and gave his opinion on the future of search engines.
According to Ballmer Search Engines were a temporary solution to a temporary problem. Ballmer claimed that within a few years there will only be a handful of websites left. People will use their Favorites to navigate to those destination sites and nobody will need a Search engine except for a few students and professors.

If Ballmer had thought otherwise perhaps Googles $170B market cap would belong to Microsoft. Instead Microsofts stock has languished (at best) for years.

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