G5 next week. Certain. - Page 3

NO ONES BUYING THE TOWERS NOW! Every one is waiting to see what will happen. If apple has some G4's left why not try to sell them at very cheap prices. People will still be able to order the G5. Apple will still get their money.

[quote]Originally posted by Dave Hagan:
<strong>I would just like to know where all those "insiders" who work for CompUSA and the like are. They usually are the first to come on here to inform us that certain models have gone EOL (end of line)...anyone care to elaborate?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because Apple has wised up to that. They didn't EOL the 700MHz CRT iMac before the new iMacs either. They just stopped selling them. So, there could be speedbumped G4s on Tuesday. The old ones will go EOL on Tuesday.

There will be no G5 soon. Why:

FCP took 3 million years to write (showing us exactly how right apple were when they told us again and again how easy it would be to port over to X) and it is apparently uber-optimised for G4 plus Altivec.

Apple's new codecs are apparently uber-optimised for G4 plus Altivec.

Apple never listens

Apple seldom gets it right (Hey, 2.5% of the computer using planet right?)

Steve Job's idea of powermac is one that can do some Photoshop stuff fast. That's it. Therefore he doesn't see the need for a machine capable of anything else.

As many have said before - if there is a G5 where's the hype?

Apple must know that rolling out more G4s would be a disaster since evryone thinks a G5 is out sometime this year and will simply wait for it (if they can).

Finally, I think has secretly already resigned itself to losing the Multimedia sector (3D, Film, CDRom, web etc) to XP and will concentrate in the future instead on gaining market share by pandering to the home user.

There are now too many people who keep with the "This is not possible because. . . " and "This can't be done because . . ." 'tude when what we really need is dreamers and those who can't see why something should not be. I thought that was what being a mac user was.

Guess I was wrong.

BTW If anyone wants to flame me then I'll be a little upset but so you know, I'm British and used to ridicule.

[quote]Originally posted by spooky:
<strong>There will be no G5 soon. Why:

FCP took 3 million years to write (showing us exactly how right apple were when they told us again and again how easy it would be to port over to X) and it is apparently uber-optimised for G4 plus Altivec.

Apple's new codecs are apparently uber-optimised for G4 plus Altivec.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The G5 will run this software faster than a G4, it includes Altivec, and will probably run Altivec code faster than a G4 t the same clock speed.

[quote]Originally posted by spooky:
<strong>
Apple never listens
</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's not a matter of listening, it's a matter of having the stuff to build the machines at a given price point.

[quote]Originally posted by spooky:
<strong>
Apple seldom gets it right (Hey, 2.5% of the computer using planet right?)
</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's right for that 2.5%, isn't it?

Michael

Just a minute. No one would buy a G4 now if they said that the G5 would be available from say July starting at $4000?

In any event don't we all know that the G5 is comming just like we all knew that the LCD iMac was coming. So what difference would it make even if they said it was.

I know I could have writtten this more clearly but i think you get my point.

spooky, did Steve run over your dog or what?

In quite a funk there and spreading the cheer.

[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>spooky, did Steve run over your dog or what?

In quite a funk there and spreading the cheer.</strong><hr></blockquote>


sorry guys for being on such a downer. I like the vibrancy of the threads here and it makes me kinda wonder: what does it feel like to be a mac user over there in the US?

Here in the UK where mac users are the uberminority (you could drive for miles and live in a hundred towns and still never see a mac). I've only ever seen 1 mac tv advert (the powerpc one, you know, the one that goes "The Future . . ."), 1 imac billboard (that was outside the mac expo), the media ignore macs (except funnily enough DIy and interior design programs) and my god, the price!!

Reading many of the posts here I wish I lived in the USA

Let me tell a story.

I am a youth worker at my church, specifically in the "Bible Quizzing" program.

We have a group of about twenty-five 7th - 12th graders who spend the entire school year memorizing a book/books of the new testament, who give up their Tuesday evenings to practice answer questions over the matierial they're memorizing and going to legaue and inivtaion quiz meets monthly.

So we're talking about "above average" kids here.

Yesterday a 9th grade girl announced to the van, on the way to a quiz meet, that "Apple Computers suck... Windows 95 is better."



Obviuosly she has no idea what she's talking about, but then so don't most people.

UK, US, whereever: Most simply don't know or don't care.

[quote]Originally posted by spooky:
<strong>There will be no G5 soon. Why:

FCP took 3 million years to write (showing us exactly how right apple were when they told us again and again how easy it would be to port over to X) and it is apparently uber-optimised for G4 plus Altivec.
</strong>
About nine months. And that introduced a ton of new features, so it wasn't all Carbon porting time.
<strong>
Apple's new codecs are apparently uber-optimised for G4 plus Altivec.

Apple never listens
</strong>
This is ridiculous and unjustified.
<strong>
Apple seldom gets it right (Hey, 2.5% of the computer using planet right?)
</strong>
Porsche has considerably less markshare
worldwide, but few would suggest they never
get it right.
<strong>
Steve Job's idea of powermac is one that can do some Photoshop stuff fast. That's it. Therefore he doesn't see the need for a machine capable of anything else.
</strong>
No proof of this whatsoever. The only claim he
can profitably make right now is that
Photoshop is faster.
<strong>
As many have said before - if there is a G5 where's the hype?

Apple must know that rolling out more G4s would be a disaster since evryone thinks a G5 is out sometime this year and will simply wait for it (if they can).

Finally, I think has secretly already resigned itself to losing the Multimedia sector (3D, Film, CDRom, web etc) to XP and will concentrate in the future instead on gaining market share by pandering to the home user.
</strong>
Evidence? They're kicking but in digital video
right now!
<strong>
There are now too many people who keep with the "This is not possible because. . . " and "This can't be done because . . ." 'tude when what we really need is dreamers and those who can't see why something should not be. I thought that was what being a mac user was.

Guess I was wrong.

BTW If anyone wants to flame me then I'll be a little upset but so you know, I'm British and used to ridicule.
</strong>
No flaming necessary. A nice simple
response always works best. :-)
[QB]
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[quote]Originally posted by BerberCarpet:
<strong>
We have a group of about twenty-five 7th - 12th graders who spend the entire school year memorizing a book/books of the new testament, who give up their Tuesday evenings to practice answer questions over the matierial they're memorizing and going to legaue and inivtaion quiz meets monthly.

So we're talking about "above average" kids here.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sounds like they're below average drones.

[quote]<strong>Porsche has considerably less markshare
worldwide, but few would suggest they never
get it right.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I feel like Apple's in the situation Porsche would be in if all they sold were cars that had all the legendary Porsche styling and handling, but mysteriously wouldn't go over 80mph.

Sure, they'd still be fun for the majority of everyday driving tasks, but something would be missing...

Alex

[quote]Originally posted by BerberCarpet:
<strong>Let me tell a story.

I am a youth worker at my church, specifically in the "Bible Quizzing" program.

We have a group of about twenty-five 7th - 12th graders who spend the entire school year memorizing a book/books of the new testament, who give up their Tuesday evenings to practice answer questions over the matierial they're memorizing and going to legaue and inivtaion quiz meets monthly.

So we're talking about "above average" kids here.

Yesterday a 9th grade girl announced to the van, on the way to a quiz meet, that "Apple Computers suck... Windows 95 is better."



Obviuosly she has no idea what she's talking about, but then so don't most people.

UK, US, whereever: Most simply don't know or don't care.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope you set her little ass straight.

Does anyone besides philbot think that apple will upgrade powerbooks on tuesday?

I think that it's extremely unlikely, but I guess you never know.

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[quote]Originally posted by murk:
<strong>I hope you set her little ass straight.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

No no... I choose my fights.


I don't try to *convert* the kids who've made thier minds up already--without considering the evidence, even--because that never works and you just end up wasting words.

Insdead, I have serious discusions with the ones who have open minds. Those that show interest I encourage--those that don't care, I let them believe what they wish.

Turns out that the iBook is going to be pretty popular among the quizzers this year.



Drones? No... only those who make up their minds without considering the evidence and then spout their mouths off abou things they don't even know they don't understand are drones.

Nostradamus - you rock.

[quote]Originally posted by BerberCarpet:
<strong>Let me tell a story.

I am a youth worker at my church, specifically in the "Bible Quizzing" program.

We have a group of about twenty-five 7th - 12th graders who spend the entire school year memorizing a book/books of the new testament, who give up their Tuesday evenings to practice answer questions over the matierial they're memorizing and going to legaue and inivtaion quiz meets monthly.

So we're talking about "above average" kids here.

Yesterday a 9th grade girl announced to the van, on the way to a quiz meet, that "Apple Computers suck... Windows 95 is better."

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Someone who spends the entire school year memorizing books of the new testament and she's clueless!! Who woulda thought!




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[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
<strong>

Sounds like they're below average drones.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey now! Aren't you being a little unfair?

Sounds like their droneness is certainly above average!

[quote]Originally posted by JW Pepper:
<strong>In any event don't we all know that the G5 is comming just like we all knew that the LCD iMac was coming. So what difference would it make even if they said it was.

I know I could have writtten this more clearly but i think you get my point.</strong><hr></blockquote>

oooh... bad analogy. Everybody expected the new iMac last summer at MWNY, and it came out half a year later in MWSF.

So, G5s are coming... eventually... in the fall.

I'm an optimistic kinda guy, but it seems like there's a lot of people here trying to rationalize a G5 from out of thin air.

2 x 1.4 x SGI x Tuesday = ?

Apple will announce dual 1.4GhZ PowerMacs, and purchase ailing SGI at close of day Tuesday, leaving little question as to their attitude towards power, 3D and the desktop.

Coincidentally SGI will also announces earnings - and theoretically the buyout - on that day.

You heard it here second.

[quote]I am a youth worker at my church, specifically in the "Bible Quizzing" program.

We have a group of about twenty-five 7th - 12th graders who spend the entire school year memorizing a book/books of the new testament, who give up their Tuesday evenings to practice answer questions over the matierial they're memorizing and going to legaue and inivtaion quiz meets monthly.

So we're talking about "above average" kids here.

Yesterday a 9th grade girl announced to the van, on the way to a quiz meet, that "Apple Computers suck... Windows 95 is better."
<hr></blockquote>

Well if these people commit so much time towards brain-dead activities, then no wonder they dig windows.

As Nostrodamus said, they "sound like below average drones". LOL.

Interestingly, in the zoology department at my university, Macs are favored over windows. Go figure. Apple's market share among people who think for a living is higher than in the general population.

[quote] Drones? No... only those who make up their minds without considering the evidence and then spout their mouths off abou things they don't even know they don't understand are drones.
<hr></blockquote>

Odd that a bible thumper would speak of "evidence".

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[quote]Originally posted by bandalay:
<strong>2 x 1.4 x SGI x Tuesday = ?

Apple will announce dual 1.4GhZ PowerMacs, and purchase ailing SGI at close of day Tuesday, leaving little question as to their attitude towards power, 3D and the desktop.

Coincidentally SGI will also announces earnings - and theoretically the buyout - on that day.

You heard it here second.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why buy SGI after they just sold off their hot 3D patents to M$?

[ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: KidRed ]</p>

SGI has nothing to offer Apple. It would be a complete waste of money to buy what's left of them.

[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>

Odd that a bible thumper would speak of "evidence".

:confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>



Odd that an atheist would accuse a christian of not having evidence when he's in the same boat.

Topic = G5s
Topic != religous debate.

[ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: cowofwar ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by cowofwar:
<strong>



Odd that an atheist would accuse a christian of not having evidence when he's in the same boat.

Topic = G5s
Topic != religous debate.

[ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: cowofwar ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Most atheist's base their belief on the "lack of" christian/all religious evidence. So atheists really don't need evidence to make up their mind.

Someone argued that the G5 wouldn't come out because Apple has spent so much time optimizing everything for AltiVec. Guess what?! The G5 will HAVE AltiVec.

[quote] Odd that an atheist would accuse a christian of not having evidence when he's in the same boat.
<hr></blockquote>

You've already labeled me as an atheist without any evidence. Is that what one would call "faith-based labeling"?

As far as atheists and Christians both lacking evidence, you can swim in your own pool, mate. There is plenty of evidence that refutes the existence of a Christian God, but since religion is based on faith, evidence doesn't really matter, does it? So for a Christian to argue about evidence goes against the very tenants of their religion--one's faith should be unwavering, no matter what the evidence. In fact among some Christian sects, a lack of faith is punishable by eternal damnation to the firey pits of hell, to spend one's afterlife in excruciating pain and torture at the hands of Satan.

So if I were a Christian, I'd be reading that Bible every spare minute, memorizing that bitch and working on my faith rituals so I could avoid the hot molten magma spewed forth upon my soul by the wrath of Satan. It's just not worth it to be unfaithful. You dig? Even the mere thought that evidence might be needed to believe in the existence of God could lead to an eternal afterlife of exquisite agony and despair, of a sort unknown to any living mortal.

Usually I have to roll my eyes at JD's posts, but this one was hilarious.

======================

Does anyone have any *evidence* of a G5 next week?

Someone labeled its introduction "Certain."

Lets not get on the topic of religion. No one will get any where. back to topic.

What happened to Philbot the guy who posted this topic. Where did he get his info. PHILBOT WHERE ARE YOU!!! You better be right or i'm sending you to hell.

One would assume that apple is coming out with something new next week, or at least some time soon, as their consumer line is almost as good as their pro models.

Now all they have to do is halve the price.

Maybe they'll come out with the G5, but I'm sure they wont touch the price, unless it's to tack on a bit more.

[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>

You've already labeled me as an atheist without any evidence. Is that what one would call "faith-based labeling"?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

So JD, what do you believe?

Will there be new pro machines next week? Is there a God? The keys to universe right there!

[ 01-21-2002: Message edited by: A/UX ]</p>

Buonrotto stole my line.

No.

It'll kill sales.
You can't have two lines of PowerMacs - that disrupts the product matrix. PowerMacs ARE Pros.

How good could that look anyway?

"Oh, we've caught up finally. For $4k, that is."

No way.

[quote]Originally posted by cinder:
<strong>Buonrotto stole my line.

No.

It'll kill sales.
You can't have two lines of PowerMacs - that disrupts the product matrix. PowerMacs ARE Pros.

How good could that look anyway?

"Oh, we've caught up finally. For $4k, that is."

No way.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think the point was, to make the current towers a consumer model and the G5 the pro model. The iMac now fills the lower gap, the current G4s could fill the middle to high end gap and then the g5s could be the monsters, servers, workstations and such.

Dunno, I just want my G5

[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>There is plenty of evidence that refutes the existence of a Christian God</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like?

But again, we're talking about g5s here!

[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>SGI has nothing to offer Apple. It would be a complete waste of money to buy what's left of them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

quote from another source:
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SGI has Alias/Wavefront which has 3D software (including Maya) used in nearly every new Hollywood movie that has any special effects including the movies made by Pixar. This alone is software that Apple should own.

SGI has Numaflex architecture which allows them to build very scalable high end systems. That is, you add additional I/O blocks when you need more I/O. You add additional CPU blocks when you need more processing power. You add additional Graphics adapters when you need more displays.

Numaflex allows almost infinite scalability. Wouldn't it be nice if you could add more processors to your Mac when you needed (up to thousands, if your app could use it)? This stuff is great for 3D.

SGI has its own version of Unix (IRIX) that can scale to use over a thousand processors on a single system image. Granted, there aren't tons of applications that need this power, but the ones that do (like simulating weather or rendering a scene in a movie) really need this type of capability.

The MIPS processor that SGI uses doesn't nearly match up in power to the PowerPC, but the integration of hardware and software yield a combination that can't be touched by the competition for high end processing (especially on scalability of 3D graphics).

The integration of these technologies with Apple's would result in billions of additional high margin revenue and would trickle down to the PC space (not that it isn't trickling down anyway).

They also have over a billion dollars in revenue ($1.9B last year) which represents real customers speaking with real dollars.

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I think its clear - if Steve was introducing a G 5 or a G od next week there would have been more hype. I can't decide which I believe in less :-)


Michael

There's no doubt we are only getting QS's speed bumped. Some are hoping for a surprise, but I think it's more realistic to assume July for the G5's release which would be almost 6 months from tomorrow supposed speed bump.

[quote]
think the point was, to make the current towers a consumer model and the G5 the pro model. The iMac now fills the lower gap, the current G4s could fill the middle to high end gap and then the g5s could be the monsters, servers, workstations and such.
<hr></blockquote>

no, the iMac is for consumers. the PowerMac is for pros. The PowerMac Server does not warrant its own part of the matrix.
It simply doesnt make Apple any money.

I want a G5 as much as anyone - but I just don't see it happening now, and especially not in that configuration.

Unless they're gluttons for punishment.
We'd be reading 900000000 threads and notes about how pissed people are that they'd try something like that.

[quote]Originally posted by cinder:
<strong>

no, the iMac is for consumers. the PowerMac is for pros. The PowerMac Server does not warrant its own part of the matrix.
It simply doesnt make Apple any money.

I want a G5 as much as anyone - but I just don't see it happening now, and especially not in that configuration.

Unless they're gluttons for punishment.
We'd be reading 900000000 threads and notes about how pissed people are that they'd try something like that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think it's happening either, not till july anyways (se my above post)

I was just relaying a poster's point. It's interesting, but the g5's won't be ready for a few months, so it;s just specualtion about specualtion

I expect Apple to bring out new G4's soon, perhaps at Tokyo, perhaps before. Then I would expect the G5 at the end of the year (well, septemberish). This makes most sense, the G5's would be in great demand. It seems wisest to use the current good supply of G4's for some multi-CPU action while stockpiling G5's. Besides, we've seen Motorola having problems with production before. Better not to risk a downgrade.

I wouldn't expect a new enclosure for the G4's. The Quicksilver look is still very young, there hasn't been any enclosure that lasted for such a short time. Besides it would be perfect to accompany the G5 with a new case to make for a stunning new introduction. Why put a new enclosure around a speed-bump?

This schedule would also make for a perfect synchronization with the iMac update in 7 months (the average update cycle), which would probably consist of Firewire 800 and USB 2 (and perhaps DDR).

But of course this is written without any inside knowledge. Just trying to be be sensible about the current rumors.

PS. IMHO the best 'faith' is to be an agnost. Whenever there is a debate about religion you'll be able to say: 'I don't care, let's talk about the upcoming G5'.