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post #41 of 97
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post #42 of 97
Paranoid schizophrenia
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Of course I'm serious. Wake the hell up.

I'm not saying the guys story is true, it probably is not, I'm say there is no reason to automatically believe its IMPOSSIBLE because there is NOTHING impossible about it.

Perhaps the term should be highly improbable, as very few things are technically impossible if you have the resources nowadays. That fact, however, doesn't oftset the fact that it is very very very probable that all this never happened at all. His story suggests that he should have ample evidence, but he appears to present none at all. Where are the bugged ipods and computers? Where are the bugs from his car and his home? A copy of the song in question?

Lastly, why does he think he is worth the time, effort, and resources that would be required by the Italian mafia to do everything he described? Why would they do all that, just to force him to model?
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post #44 of 97
PMZ was planning a lawsuit against Apple similar to this and he didn't like to see it criticized here.

By the way, my dentist gave me stereo bluetooth molars and now the CIA listens to my every thought. Well, at least now I can pair to my iPhone with 3.0.
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What a WASTE of everyone's time, money, tax dollars, etc...

This guy should be thrown out of court.
A lawsuit should be filed against HIM, on behalf of the American people.
We should sue him for wasting our time.
We should sue him for wasting our tax dollars.
Then, throw him in jail for 30 days.

This would prevent horse-shit lawsuits from popping up.

There are serious criminals and serious crimes that need to be prosecuted. Let's keep the court system and resources free for those.

What an asshole. You, my lawsuit crazy friend, have zero class.

No, you have zero class.

What the fuck is this? Have I stepped back in time to the dark ages? The guy is mentally ill. Maybe we should burn him at the stake? Would that make you happy?

Now, if you wanted to do to the lawyer the things listed in your quote, that's another matter
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post #46 of 97
I'm sorry, but the mentally ill cost the taxpayers enough money as it is. I agree with FormerARSgm to an extent. This should be thrown out immediately. There should be a SMALL investigation on how sick this guy really is. If he's found to be somewhat stable I say bring a lawsuit against him for wasting money and time. There is enough frivolous lawsuits as it is, we don't need to entertain more. I'm in strong belief there should be penalties against those who are found to have brought such cases to court. And to clear that up, I AM NOT saying any one who loses should be penalized. Just the ones that are though to be trying to get money for nothing. Yes I'm talking to you Marshall Texas.

 

 

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post #47 of 97
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Let's stop an think.

1. Is any part of what he claims impossible? No.

2. Does the Italian mafia exist in the fashion described? Absolutely.

3. Would Apple conspire with criminal organizations if ordered to by the U.S. government or other powerful interests?

Of course.

Yet all of the kiddies in here will continue to believe that such a story is a fairytale, whereas, in reality, whether its true or not, its not unlikely or impossible.

Helloooooo! Anyone home? Have you seen project Natal yet, from Microsoft? Only the single most invasive device ever conceived for the home. Don't believe Apple has a device in the works that collects 5x as much biometric data? Don't believe Apple already collects staggering amounts of information on you from the use of your iPhones and iPods? You need to grow up.

Lets see your evidence. Don't have any? Of course you don't. It's far easier to claim something when you don't actually have to back it up with facts. Unfortunately, rational people rarely believe outlandish claims without proof. You saying so isn't proof of anything (except maybe delusion).
post #50 of 97
First of all there is no Mafia... If you don't believe me I can send my cousin Johnny Bagadonuts over to explain it real simple to ya... Oh and Greggy, The Bay Ridge Boys gave me a message to give to ya...

HERPES HERPES HERPES HERPES HERPES HERPES!

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In other news, the Easter bunny has filed a class-action lawsuit against Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy for breaking and entering.

HA HA HA HA!

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post #52 of 97
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STFU. The most ridiculous aspect here is there is nothing unrealistic about his lawsuit, and yet everyone immediately laughs and calls him mentally unstable. Wonderful.

Now nothing is allowed to be true thats too unusual. Great. Guess how many actual truths are going to pass you by due to that terrible attitude?

time to up your meds dude!
post #53 of 97
Ha, ha, very funny--let's all pile on the guy. Get real: Apple is no saint. They did this VERY thing to me! It happens all the time.

If Microsoft did this, would the fanboys be defending them? I didn't think so.

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time to up your meds dude!

How'd you know about his meds Tofino? Or should I say, APPLE? BEEN LISTENING IN HAVE YOU?
post #55 of 97
This is paranoid schizophrenia. He genuinely believes these things and he should not be punished he should be helped. I have dealt with many people in this condition. They absolutely cannot help themselves. It is a sad and debilitating disease.

However, the fact that he found a lawyer willing to persue these delusional claims is outrageous.
post #56 of 97
Reading about the claims of the lawsuit honestly made me picture Fox Mulder describing a rather unlikely, but nonetheless true, story about the paranormal. Man, the X-Files is a great show.

Maybe if David Duchovny was the plaintiff we'd all be listening to him!

I hope this man gets help if he honestly believes all of this has happened to him.
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This is paranoid schizophrenia. He genuinely believes these things and he should not be punished he should be helped. I have dealt with many people in this condition. They absolutely cannot help themselves. It is a sad and debilitating disease.

However, the fact that he found a lawyer willing to persue these delusional claims is outrageous.

I can't believe anybody in this forum actually thinks a lawyer was involved in this. I know lawyers have a bad reputation, but c'mon people! Common sense should tell you no lawyer would waste his time filing something, like this. If not, if you bothered to read the lawsuit that somebody posted the link to, you'd see it was filed in pro per (or whatever it's called in Missouri). That means the guy did it himself. This is a mentally sick individual whose right to file lawsuits is protected under the law, and he's exercised his rights. I work for a company that's had one or two of this type of thing filed against it, and it's a pain, but it just has to be dealt with. Courts have to follow the rules, and then dismiss this sort of thing because they're so outlandish and there's no evidence. It's just part of the price of living in a free country.
post #58 of 97
I found a photo of him during Fashion Week in NYC:

post #59 of 97
Some of those claims are crazy. OJ Simpson as a killer? (Actually, as an actor in the 1980s he was rejected for the killer robot part in The Terminator.)
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No, you have zero class.

What the fuck is this? Have I stepped back in time to the dark ages? The guy is mentally ill. Maybe we should burn him at the stake? Would that make you happy?

Now, if you wanted to do to the lawyer the things listed in your quote, that's another matter

Recognizing that you are from the UK, maybe you don't have the same issues we deal with in the US. These constant firvolous lawsuits are boggin down our legal system and preventing real crimes from reaching trial.

I agree with your implying that the attourney representing this guy should be help acountable as well.

Finally, while I agree that this guy might be mentally ill, we really don't know. He might in fact be perfectly sain and able to fabricate these scenarios to support his lawsuit in hopes Apple will pay him to go away. But, even if this is mental illness, that doesn't give him carte-blanche <sp?> to run amuck in society without reprocussion. And no, burning at the stake would be way too severe. :0)
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Recognizing that you are from the UK, maybe you don't have the same issues we deal with in the US. These constant firvolous lawsuits are boggin down our legal system and preventing real crimes from reaching trial.

I agree with your implying that the attourney representing this guy should be help acountable as well.

Finally, while I agree that this guy might be mentally ill, we really don't know. He might in fact be perfectly sain and able to fabricate these scenarios to support his lawsuit in hopes Apple will pay him to go away. But, even if this is mental illness, that doesn't give him carte-blanche <sp?> to run amuck in society without reprocussion. And no, burning at the stake would be way too severe. :0)

You missed my point. Yes, obviously the suit is entirely frivolous. I guess I also should have said probably mentally ill; it's possible he's entirely sane but given he's filed a deeply paranoid 124 page suit himself, all the signs point to him being genuinely ill.

My point is, mentally ill people should be treated and cared for, not punished.
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Fortunately, we've progressed as a society to the point where there are actually much better ways of dealing with schizophrenia

Guess again:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...8/school-shock

And there's a lot more where that came from...
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Guess again:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...8/school-shock

And there's a lot more where that came from...

Bloody hell. America should be ashamed of that. How is that place legal? WTF?
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This is paranoid schizophrenia. He genuinely believes these things and he should not be punished he should be helped. I have dealt with many people in this condition. They absolutely cannot help themselves. It is a sad and debilitating disease.

However, the fact that he found a lawyer willing to persue these delusional claims is outrageous.

+1 I agree completely. The guy should be helped, not harmed or held responsible for his actions should he truly be ill.
post #65 of 97
His lawyer is no Perry Mason.
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ah, a suit NOT by a patent troll...
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...man alleges that Apple conspired with the Italian mafia to secretly track him, transmit threatening messages to his iPod, and insert the word "herpes" into the song "Still Tippin'" by Mike Jones.


This sounds so crazy, that nobody will believe it!

So it must be true!
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Bloody hell. America should be ashamed of that. How is that place legal? WTF?

It gets worse. If you have time, you simply must watch this documentary. It's 1 hour long:

http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/

Here are some more articles, too:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-teen-industry
http://outside.away.com/magazine/1095/10f_deth.html
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2006-06...ws/rough-love/

This is all real. Believe me, I know. The documentary is about the place I spent two years at. This is the real America, the America that nobody wants to acknowledge. This is the "Land of the Free." Ha.

Whether you look at these things or not, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate you taking the time to just read that one article, or at least look at it. (Not sure how much you read.) I seriously can't get any of my own "friends" to look at this stuff, yet you looked at it. I think it's also ironic how yet another person who lives outside of the United States cares a lot more about this than the stupid Americans do. (This is a consistently occurring pattern that I've observed.)

Thanks again!
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Schizophrenia is a sad disease..
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As with other generalizations, that is not a fair characterization of most of the United States. Although in general there seems to be a growing bifurcation between educated, intelligent Americans with a more expansive worldview and the rural, uneducated, nationalistic population. You can readily see this in our politics --- hence the reason the intelligent, tolerant, pragmatic President Obama was popular on one side, and the ignorant, narrow minded, self-righteous, feeble-minded, religious extremist Sarah Palin on the other. I will also admit that way too large a portion of society falls into the latter group.

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It gets worse. If you have time, you simply must watch this documentary. It's 1 hour long:

http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/

Here are some more articles, too:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-teen-industry
http://outside.away.com/magazine/1095/10f_deth.html
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2006-06...ws/rough-love/

This is all real. Believe me, I know. The documentary is about the place I spent two years at. This is the real America, the America that nobody wants to acknowledge. This is the "Land of the Free." Ha.

Whether you look at these things or not, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate you taking the time to just read that one article, or at least look at it. (Not sure how much you read.) I seriously can't get any of my own "friends" to look at this stuff, yet you looked at it. I think it's also ironic how yet another person who lives outside of the United States cares a lot more about this than the stupid Americans do. (This is a consistently occurring pattern that I've observed.)

Thanks again!
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Missouri?

How Mark Twain would have a field day with this one.
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As with other generalizations, that is not a fair characterization of most of the United States.

I think the point is, it's allowed to happen in the United States. No supposedly civilised country should be doing this to its most vulnerable citizens. It is a disgrace and I have no qualms in saying that all Americans should be ashamed that it's happening in their country. They should be writing to congress to find out why the hell this is allowed to happen given that it's 2009 not 1909.
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Let's stop an think.

1. Is any part of what he claims impossible? No.

2. Does the Italian mafia exist in the fashion described? Absolutely.

3. Would Apple conspire with criminal organizations if ordered to by the U.S. government or other powerful interests?

Of course.

Yet all of the kiddies in here will continue to believe that such a story is a fairytale, whereas, in reality, whether its true or not, its not unlikely or impossible.

Helloooooo! Anyone home? Have you seen project Natal yet, from Microsoft? Only the single most invasive device ever conceived for the home. Don't believe Apple has a device in the works that collects 5x as much biometric data? Don't believe Apple already collects staggering amounts of information on you from the use of your iPhones and iPods? You need to grow up.



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ah, a suit NOT by a patent troll...

Best post in the entire thread.
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Yes. The bit about bugging him with iPods. That's impossible. You could do it with an iPhone, but not the iPods that he claims it was done with.



Man, maybe you need a mental health professional too. You are off-the-scale paranoid. I'm not joking.

Why would Apple and the US government spend all this time effort and money to bug this particular individual? And why oh why oh why would they insert the word "herpes" into a song?

I can't believe I'm even arguing about this. You cannot be serious.

Because they want him to continue modeling. It directly affects their bottom line and helps fight terrorism, to boot. I mean, if that isn't a legitimate reason, I don't know what is.

"Herpes" is actually "Sheper", for "Project Sheper" (a play on the name "Shapur" - an ancient Sassanid or Persian King), which is a concerted attempt by the FBI, CIA, and funded by the Italian government, to experiment with Remote Viewing (reviving the project from decades ago) in order to determine (via Remote Viewing) the movements and activities of top officials in the entire Gulf Region in the Middle East. This is accomplished by certain fashion-runway steps (a specific combination of them) orchestrated at the same time at major fashion shows in North America and Europe. It creates vibrations not felt by the average person, but which boosts the efficacy of Remote Viewing about a thousandfold. Apple just happens to provide some of the equipment used for Remote Viewing, and more specifically, equipment used to pick up on and amplify these vibrations.

Except there's no multitasking or copy & paste.

Modeling = defending the Free World.
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I think the point is, it's allowed to happen in the United States. No supposedly civilised country should be doing this to its most vulnerable citizens. It is a disgrace and I have no qualms in saying that all Americans should be ashamed that it's happening in their country. They should be writing to congress to find out why the hell this is allowed to happen given that it's 2009 not 1909.

It's not like I support electroshock therapy, but you are being alittle harsh only on America when the UK does it as well.

http://www.mind.org.uk/Information/B...+sense/ECT.htm

Both our countries do it, we just follow stricter rules and practices then other countries.
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It's not like I support electroshock therapy, but you are being alittle harsh only on America when the UK does it as well.

http://www.mind.org.uk/Information/B...+sense/ECT.htm

Both our countries do it, we just follow stricter rules and practices then other countries.

Thank you for the link. But if you read it, you will see that it's very different from the situations referred to in the links provided by cactus_man.

In America, you've got parents sending vulnerable children with all kinds of different mental and emotional problems to a school that uses electrocution as a discipline method and runs the school as an authoritarian state (oh, and charges the US taxpayer $200,000 a year per child to do it); I'm sorry, but there's no other word to describe it than barbaric.

According to your link, in the UK electro-shock therapy is used "only to achieve rapid and short-term improvement of severe symptoms after an adequate trial of other treatment options has proven ineffective and/or when the condition is considered to be potentially life-threatening, in individuals with severe depressive illness; catatonia; a prolonged or severe manic episode", and most importantly, only when informed consent has been given by the patient. The children in that American school are given no such choice and the "treatment" is used on long-term basis.
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As with other generalizations, that is not a fair characterization of most of the United States. Although in general there seems to be a growing bifurcation between educated, intelligent Americans with a more expansive worldview and the rural, uneducated, nationalistic population. You can readily see this in our politics --- hence the reason the intelligent, tolerant, pragmatic President Obama was popular on one side, and the ignorant, narrow minded, self-righteous, feeble-minded, religious extremist Sarah Palin on the other. I will also admit that way too large a portion of society falls into the latter group.

Of course not every American is okay with such practices, but when only 1% of the population appears to give a damn (and that's a generous estimate), it's quite safe to group Americans into one of two groups: the sadists who actively participate in/encourage such practices, and the apathetic people who refuse to even acknowledge that such practices are executed because "it doesn't affect me." Note that I say this as a resident of the United States, though I do not consider myself to be "American." This country made it quite clear to me at the age of 16 that it does not consider me to be human, let alone American. Considering the state of both humanity and of the United States, perhaps I should feel honored.

If you watch the documentary, you will see that it is primarily the Republicans (such as Mitt Romney, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-s...s_b_63311.html) who defend such facilities, because they are the ones receiving the most "political contributions," a.k.a. bribes. However, with the lone exception of George Miller, the Democrats have been of absolutely no help. The Republicans are the aggressors, and the Democrats are the ostriches with their heads in the sand. This is not a Republican issue or Democratic issue; this is an American issue.

As I touched on before, I cannot get anybody I know to give a damn. I've tried not to "generalize," but to do anything else would be mere self-deception. Just a couple of weeks ago my math professor stated that, "Back in the day, we didn't have things like 'ADHD' because if a kid didn't pay attention, you'd just smack him, and... well, it worked!" And the entire class seemed to agree with his assessment, verbally backing up his claims. When I spoke out, I was not only drowned out by the incessant rambling of my peers, but repeatedly smirked at by the professor himself. Mind you, I don't live in the midwest--I live in "liberal" Los Angeles County. So much for the problem only being with the other half.

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I think the point is, it's allowed to happen in the United States. No supposedly civilised country should be doing this to its most vulnerable citizens. It is a disgrace and I have no qualms in saying that all Americans should be ashamed that it's happening in their country. They should be writing to congress to find out why the hell this is allowed to happen given that it's 2009 not 1909.

I'll refer again to the documentary. There is big money--millions of dollars-- in it for the politicians if they protect these facilities. And let's be honest, is there anything Americans care about more than money? Mexico, Costa Rica, and the Czech Republic (all of which are quite poor in comparison to the United States) have shut down WWASP-owned programs for abuse, but the United States has never shut down a WWASP-owned program. Those countries place value on human life; the United States does not.

This has been happening for decades. The feds are well aware of it, but that doesn't mean anything.

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Thank you for the link. But if you read it, you will see that it's very different from the situations referred to in the links provided by cactus_man.

In America, you've got parents sending vulnerable children with all kinds of different mental and emotional problems being sent to a school that uses electrocution as a discipline method and runs the school as an authoritarian state (oh, and charges the US taxpayer $200,000 a year per child to do it); I'm sorry, but there's no other word to describe it than barbaric.

According to your link, in the UK electro-shock therapy is used "only to achieve rapid and short-term improvement of severe symptoms after an adequate trial of other treatment options has proven ineffective and/or when the condition is considered to be potentially life-threatening, in individuals with severe depressive illness; catatonia; a prolonged or severe manic episode", and most importantly, only when informed consent has been given by the patient. The children in that American school are given no such choice and the "treatment" is used on long-term basis.

While there is no defending electroshock "therapy" (all evidence shows that even when it produces short-term positive results, the long-term results are always bad), the fact that UK patients must consent is of crucial importance. If adults want to hurt themselves, I see no problem with that.

Moreover, you're referring to "patients." The place I was sent to has only one requirement: your parents must be able to foot the $42,000/year bill. There is no psychiatric screening to determine whether or not you even have problems. You needn't have a criminal record or take a drug test. Your parents just have to sign the form. Also, it is legal for the facilities in Montana to hire registered sex offenders.

Must I go on? I think I've made my point, yes?
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... it's 2009 not 1909.

Crap.

It's time for a new calendar.
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Crap.

It's time for a new calendar.

At the risk of sounding melodramatic, your response is quite typical. You don't want to face the harsh, unpleasant reality of what is being discussed, so you're cracking a joke in an effort to distract yourself and everybody else who reads this. And I understand. It's always easier to look away from horrifying situations than it is to face them--until it happens to you.

Currently, we're both immune from such practices because we over the age of 18. But if society continues to ignore these facilities, how long do you suppose it will be before adults are just as vulnerable?

Personally, that day cannot come quickly enough. Maybe that'll get you to start caring.
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