[quote]Originally posted by ColorClassicG4:
The observer will note the use of the vague word 'represents'. This saves Flowerbob from the necessity of actually saying anything with substance.<hr></blockquote>
by "represents" i mean that these are things which he thinks are good and which are important parts of his political platform. i will happily provide some substance (actually, i won't. i would be much happier if I couldn't, but, unfortunately, my claims have grounds).
a) "fuzzy math." need i say more? it's an appeal to the ignorance and stupidity of the average american, which translates roughly to "i'm stupid like you so vote for me"
b) are there really questions about this? he's pro-death penalty, anti-gun control and he's currently waging a war.
c) he wants government money for faith-based organizations. wants prayer in school. :blech:
d) he's a business man, a friend of big business, and is opposed to real environmental regulations ("voluntary regulations" are *NOT* regulations).
[quote]If you don't have anything to say, why expend so much effort not doing it?<hr></blockquote>
my apologies. it was poor form.
[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
Sound like a opinion to me
yup. one i am ready to explain and defend.
[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
Are you then implying that adherents to a particular set of religious beliefs are not free to spread those beliefs? Or is it just that force should not be used when promulgating one's particular religious views? Or are you implying that Islam's rapid spread across the Middle East in the 7th through 9th centuries is somehow a special case?<hr></blockquote>
it's bad enough that there are adherants of particular religious beliefs, without them going around and trying to make more of themselves. and trying to use violence to force somebody to believe in another god is stupid and criminal and evil.
nobody should ever take any action to try to coerce another person's belief system. (and yes I am aware of the inherant hypocrisy of any argument favoring this philosophy)
[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
Islam is not about peace and love, except to other Islamic people. Anyone else is the infidel and if they do not convert they should be put to death. It is in their Koran. Look it up.
And before you say Christians are the same way, we are not. Look it up, in context.<hr></blockquote>
Actually, neither religion is "supposed" to be about violence. It just turns out that historically both have been. Because religion is like that. like race, people use it as a channeling of hatred, an excuse to go around killing each other. stupid people make religion stupid.
anyway, the most deaths "over religion" are not at all about religious ideals. neither the Arab invasion of Europe nor the "retaliatory" Crusades were about religion for the people leading them. while for some of the people "on the ground" the idea of going to hevean (or the islamic equivalent) allowed them to get themselves killed, we also see that in very few cases in history has this alone been sufficient to motivate something of the scale of these wars. there is always need for a leading force, and for this force, the wars were about power, conquest, spoils, etc. (hence the looting of the Byzantine empire by the very christians who were supposed to be helping the Byzantines, when they were returning home defeated and without the spoils they expected to win).
[quote]Look at the Taliban and their current laws (based on Strict Islam).<hr></blockquote>
note that there are many countries across the Islamic world with the Koran as their legal constitutions, and they do not have laws like the Taliban's. the Taliban represents [i]an[/]i (extreme) interpretation of the Koran, and not necessarily (as they believe) the "one and only correct" interpretation.