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post #41 of 79
This looks like a photo of opportunity to me. He wasn't being 'stalked' by TMZ. I mean... it was shot on a cellphone! Paparazzi don't use cell phones. He still looks awfully thin though. Can't be much over 120 pounds.
post #42 of 79
Anyone who does not think he looks bad is in denial. It's a beautifil California day- and he's swimming in a black long sleeve almost -turtleneck (mockneck) shirt and regular cut jeans look baggy on him???? I hope to god (if there is indeed one) he's doing better than he looks.
post #43 of 79
He looks about the same as he did for the last keynote we saw him do. Even though TMZ say they got the photo on Wednesday, that doesn't mean it was taken then. It could have been taken long before he took leave.
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post #44 of 79
Anyone photographed beside Jon Ive will look frail in comparison.
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Anyone photographed beside Jon Ive will look frail in comparison.
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he looks no different than he did a year or so ago at the MW. It's wishful thinking on anyones part who sees him having more weight than before.

He doesn't look quite as thin in that photo, but I could be wrong.
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post #47 of 79
Picture reminds me of the Abbey Road cover, slightly longer beard and hair and SJ could be a shoe-in for John Lennon
post #48 of 79
On a quick blush he looks a little like Leonard Nimoy (from the side).
post #49 of 79
Why the heck would Apple (much less Jobs) want to keynote CES?! First off, it is in Las Vegas-- that alone seems like enough to keep SJ away, and it doesn't really seem like a great Apple marketplace. Trade shows do two things: give big companies a chance to create an ecosystem with smaller companies; and give small companies a chance at exposure where potential clients are in high density.

It doesn't benefit Apple at this point, and I'm not so sure it can do much for case manufacturers and the like.
post #50 of 79
I agree with those who think he doesn't look that good.

Even thought he's a vegetarian, he always was heavier. Here, he still looks anorexic.

I would have thought that by now, he would have gained a noticeable amount of weight. After the transplant, his weight should normally have started to pop back up.

As for the CES, I said in an earlier thread about the tablet that if it were introduced in the January-March timeframe, and if he were asked, he might give a keynote, if there was time, and he felt well enough. January is still quite a ways off, and it could happen, even if the tablet appears earlier (assuming that there will even be one this time).

He had responded about two years ago to a question about attending. He said that if they didn't schedule CES during Macworld, he would attend. Now there is no Macworld for Apple.

The main question is whether they would want to snub what is remaining from it to attend CES next year, or whether they would wait for it to completely disappear.
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The main question is whether they would want to snub what is remaining from it to attend CES next year, or whether they would wait for it to completely disappear.

They're already 'snubbing' Macworld by not attending. Apple's presence at CES would put more attention on the Mac, iPhone, iPod, etc. than can be attained at Macworld, which is good for third party Mac, iPhone, iPod accessory makers and software developers.
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post #52 of 79
Some of the TMZ comments on this photo were pretty funny. Somebody said it looked like half of the Abby Road cover. Another said the guy walking with him is Phil Collins.

Anyway, good to see His Steveness in a vertical state. Don't expect him to look like Vin Diesel anytime soon. He's been through a hell of a lot.
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I wish he'd (visibly, as he does anonymously), do more for mankind like Gates does with his foundation.

Gates foundation is

1) A tax fiddle. They still spend the money, no one else can. They can't take out profits but they can take out expenses. Legally they don't own the money but legally they have 100% control over it.

2) Medicine is the IP battleground of the future, Gates is in it to do the same trick, steal, patent, license, when they get caught out argue about it forever. Gates heritage is legal, see Preston, Gates & Ellis for some juicy scandals.*

3) A marketing machine for Microsoft, here's a taster:

On the alarm front, I heard specific confirmation of a storyline I've been following, which is that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is basically telling governments: if you want contributions/investments from us, then you'll give Microsoft cabinet-level access to inform policy, and you'll use Microsoft products. For example, donations to educational initiatives require installing and teaching Microsoft products. It is similar to another story line reported by Roy Shestowitz. My informant told me that she was fortunately able to point out to the President that this was against Brazil's sovereignty and interest, and is one of the reasons that President Lula came to FISL, to show is support for the freedoms that "software livre" (aka free software, aka open source) mean to Brazil.

http://opensource.org/node/445

* The AIDS test for Africans etc is rather different to that used in the west, it isn't a test as you would know it, more a survey, a checkbox survey, which identifies malnutrition. So they are sold expensive drugs whilst they grow monoculture foods for western markets and can't grow there own.
post #54 of 79
I'm no fan of Bill Gates, nor am I always a fan of the Gates Foundation. However I happen to know that the Gates Foundation has committed $355 million toward Rotary International's worldwide polio eradication project, without any strings attached AFAIK. I am a huge fan of this very important project, so this is a big deal, in my book.
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They're already 'snubbing' Macworld by not attending. Apple's presence at CES would put more attention on the Mac, iPhone, iPod, etc. than can be attained at Macworld, which is good for third party Mac, iPhone, iPod accessory makers and software developers.

Of course. but it would really be bad if they went to CES as well, and Jobs gave the keynote.

It's one thing to not attend. It's worse if you exhibit and give a speech at a rival show at about the same time.

We now see that CES is denying that Jobs is giving a keynote this year, or that Apple is even exhibiting. I thought that might be the case.
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I'm no fan of Bill Gates, nor am I always a fan of the Gates Foundation. However I happen to know that the Gates Foundation has committed $355 million toward Rotary International's worldwide polio eradication project, without any strings attached AFAIK. I am a huge fan of this very important project, so this is a big deal, in my book.

We do know, from what Bill's father had said, that it was the father, not the son, who came up with the idea of the foundation. Some of the implication has made was that not only was this a good thing to do, but it would also deflect some of the criticism from his son's failing reputation.

I think that as Bill got further into this, after having a non interest in philanthropy earlier, he found that it satisfied something in him that he didn't have from his lifelong business pursuits. It's not surprising.

Then, of course, he gets praised for it rather than denigrated.

Much more satisfying having people stand up and applaud than walk out or throw things.
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We do know, from what Bill's father had said, that it was the father, not the son, who came up with the idea of the foundation. Some of the implication has made was that not only was this a good thing to do, but it would also deflect some of the criticism from his son's failing reputation.

I think that as Bill got further into this, after having a non interest in philanthropy earlier, he found that it satisfied something in him that he didn't have from his lifelong business pursuits. It's not surprising.

Then, of course, he gets praised for it rather than denigrated.

Much more satisfying having people stand up and applaud than walk out or throw things.

Yes, shades of Andrew Carnegie.

One of the reasons I was not impressed by the Gates Foundation was that he seemed to be displaying some of the same control freak tendencies that served him so well (one could argue) building the Microsoft empire. I hope he has learned that charity is not a control business. His big assist to Rotary International is sign that maybe that message got through.
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Yes, shades of Andrew Carnegie.

I've read a lot of what Carnegie wrote, and a lot written about him. Interesting man, More complex a character than Gates.

Carnegie really believed that the common working person couldn't be trusted with money. He really believed that. He writes about how they get their pay, spend it on drink, beat their wives and children etc. He felt that by giving just a bit of money, and supplying the needs of his workers in mostly non monetary form, that that wouldn't happen.

People were much less educated and much cruder. He may have been right to a certain extent back then.

But I don't think Gates has any philosophy guiding him.

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One of the reasons I was not impressed by the Gates Foundation was that he seemed to be displaying some of the same control freak tendencies that served him so well (one could argue) building the Microsoft empire. I hope he has learned that charity is not a control business. His big assist to Rotary International is sign that maybe that message got through.

Well, it seems that he is much more comfortable in his new role than he was in the beginning.
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What is so interesting about Carnegie is that he spent decades ruthlessly cornering markets and generally playing the part of the ultimate robber baron, then spent the last couple of decades giving most of his money away.
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What is so interesting about Carnegie is that he spent decades ruthlessly cornering markets and generally playing the part of the ultimate robber baron, then spent the last couple of decades giving most of his money away.

There were so few regulations on business in those days, that almost anything could be done. If you weren't ruthless, you would be buried. There was no choice.

But he observed his workers, and didn't like what he saw.
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I've read a lot of what Carnegie wrote, and a lot written about him. Interesting man, More complex a character than Gates.

Carnegie really believed that the common working person couldn't be trusted with money. He really believed that. He writes about how they get their pay, spend it on drink, beat their wives and children etc. He felt that by giving just a bit of money, and supplying the needs of his workers in mostly non monetary form, that that wouldn't happen.

People were much less educated and much cruder. He may have been right to a certain extent back then.

If Shakespeare teaches us anything, its that the human condition doesn't change.

If Carnegie was right back then, it would still hold true today. I suspect he was spouting platitudes to justify his earlier treatment of his fellow man. He almost would've had to, in order to sleep nights.

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If Shakespeare teaches us anything, its that the human condition doesn't change.

a large part of the world is much different from then. In his time, there was little change from century to century. People's condition didn't change. But it's changes very much in the last 100 years in most western countries, as well as some everywhere else.

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If Carnegie was right back then, it would still hold true today. I suspect he was spouting platitudes to justify his earlier treatment of his fellow man. He almost would've had to, in order to sleep nights.

Well, all is not what it seems.
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There were so few regulations on business in those days, that almost anything could be done. If you weren't ruthless, you would be buried. There was no choice.

But he observed his workers, and didn't like what he saw.

Because they weren't like him, is my guess. One of the main reasons we ended up with antitrust laws is because of people like Carnegie and Rockefeller.
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a large part of the world is much different from then. In his time, there was little change from century to century. People's condition didn't change. But it's changes very much in the last 100 years in most western countries, as well as some everywhere else.

My guess is that being a member of the Carnegie fan club has to be a fairly lonely experience. To the point of being solitary.

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post #65 of 79
It's easy to give away $100M+ when you have it. If he gave away all his money, like the Irish American guy did, then I would sit up and take notice. You can be sure will be keep a nice tidy sum for himself, I.E. Millions. It's not how much you give charity which makes you remarkable, but how much you leave yourself with in the end.
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If he gave away all his money, like the Irish American guy did, then I would sit up and take notice.

I hope you're not referring to Andrew Carnegie, the Scotsman.
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I hope you're not referring to Andrew Carnegie, the Scotsman.

No. Chuck Feeney. Self-made billionaire who gave it all away. He gave basically all of it away, kept a miniscule amount for his family. He doesn't even have a car.

I'm paraphrasing, but this was something that he said: "Give me a steak sandwich and a place to sleep and I'm good."
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No. Chuck Feeney. Self-made billionaire who gave it all away. He gave basically all of it away, kept a miniscule amount for his family. He doesn't even have a car.

I'm paraphrasing, but this was something that he said: "Give me a steak sandwich and a place to sleep and I'm good."

A great story -- thanks for mentioning it.
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A great story -- thanks for mentioning it.

Just saw him talking in a video, he reckons he gave about $5B away so far, with around $3B left until it's all gone. He's 78 now. His main philanthropic interests these days are higher education, specifically medical research and education. He wants to find solutions, not just throw money at problems. He seems very genuine, positive, humble and under the radar. No frills kind of guy.
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Because they weren't like him, is my guess. One of the main reasons we ended up with antitrust laws is because of people like Carnegie and Rockefeller.

Yup. All big business was done that way. Mining. Railroads. Shipping. Food processing.
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My guess is that being a member of the Carnegie fan club has to be a fairly lonely experience. To the point of being solitary.

That would be a bad guess about a topic you don't know much about.

I'm not a "fan". He's an interesting, and important figure in this country. That's what makes reading his works and what's written about him fascinating. It's not simple, as you would like to think.

I've also read a lot about Henry Ford. Also an important figure both here and in every industrialized country. But I'm not a "fan" of his prejudices.

The world was a different place then. Different rules applied. By our standards, they were terrible, but not by what was expected then.
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Just saw him talking in a video, he reckons he gave about $5B away so far, with around $3B left until it's all gone. He's 78 now. His main philanthropic interests these days are higher education, specifically medical research and education. He wants to find solutions, not just throw money at problems. He seems very genuine, positive, humble and under the radar. No frills kind of guy.

He did wait until he was pretty old. Hw could have started twenty years ago. No one is altruistic. Everyone gets something out of what they do, even if it's just feeling happy about the praise, and what will be in the history books.
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The world was a different place then. Different rules applied. By our standards, they were terrible, but not by what was expected then.

That logic is commonly used in an attempt to defend the indefensible.

The great men are always the ones who fought the injustices of their day despite the norms and "conventional wisdom" of their time. Apologists not required.

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That logic is commonly used in an attempt to defend the indefensible.

The great men are always the ones who fought the injustices of their day despite the norms and "conventional wisdom" of their time. Apologists not required.

Oh, come on. You can't go back in history and change the way people thought.

I already said that we (I) think it's terrible. You don't have to pull a politically correctness jab at me. That's just a slippery way out of understanding the world.

What you don't seem to know is that throughput most of history, even the oppressed thought that the system was correct. That's very sad, but it's also true. There were times when there was no one who thought that it wasn't right. They were just unhappy that it happened to them.

I suggest you do some serious study of history.

We hope that times have changed for the better. But there are still places around the world where oppression is expected by the people living there. That's sad too.

I certainly don't condone it.
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Yup. All big business was done that way. Mining. Railroads. Shipping. Food processing.

Arguably, but some were far more ruthless than others. A handful of individuals from that period really stand out from the crowd as being exemplars of bandit capitalists. Even then it took a rare kind of personality to get joy out of not just beating, but crushing, your opponent.
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Arguably, but some were far more ruthless than others. A handful of individuals from that period really stand out from the crowd as being exemplars of bandit capitalists. Even then it took a rare kind of personality to get joy out of not just beating, but crushing, your opponent.

we have the same thing today, witness MS. but there are restraints that weren't in place back then.

Again, no excuse from my "modern" perspective. But even those weren't out of the ordinary, just more successful. Instead of conquering countries, they were conquering business. Same personality type. The better they were at it, the more praise was heaped upon them.
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we have the same thing today, witness MS. but there are restraints that weren't in place back then.

Again, no excuse from my "modern" perspective. But even those weren't out of the ordinary, just more successful. Instead of conquering countries, they were conquering business. Same personality type. The better they were at it, the more praise was heaped upon them.

From certain quarters, but even in their day, people like Carnegie and Rockefeller were vilified by the press and the public, enough so that their power and influence was overcome by Congress and laws were passed. If we have restraints in place today, it's because of these people and their excesses -- not in spite of them.
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From certain quarters, but even in their day, people like Carnegie and Rockefeller were vilified by the press and the public, enough so that their power and influence was overcome by Congress and laws were passed. If we have restraints in place today, it's because of these people and their excesses -- not in spite of them.

Rockefeller was really the one who caused most of the problems. But, you're right, Carnegie controlled much of the steel industry.

It's interesting that in a few subway stations here in NYC, where the beams are exposed as the way the station was designed, beams have the name "Carnegie Steel" embossed into the steel.
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