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Apple's decision to reject Google Voice apps for the iPhone -- possibly at AT&T's request -- has prompted an FCC investigation into the anti-competitive nature of the move. A day later, AT&T has briefly denied the implied accusations.

The US government agency on Friday sent letters to Apple, AT&T and Google asking them to explain their roles in both rejecting Google's own app as well as pulling at least two third-party apps that were already available.

Besides inquiring into Apple's involvement, the letters also ask AT&T whether it was asked for an opinion and Google to outline both Google Voice as well as whether Google has had other apps approved. In practice, Google has only released a handful of apps but has ported over Google Earth from the desktop and used once-hidden programming instructions from Apple to develop the voice search component of Google Mobile App for the device.

The questions come as part of a larger investigation into the access to exclusive phones for rural customers, some of whom can't buy an iPhone or a similar handset simply because the relevant carriers don't operate in their areas.

What if anything the FCC suspects isn't immediately apparent. However, it's probable that the inquiry will look into whether or not AT&T wanted Google Voice absent to prevent competition with its own services, as it doesn't significantly tax the carrier's data network but does render it much less expensive to call long distance numbers and send text messages.

On Saturday, AT&T indicated that it was aware of the implications but directly denied any involvement in the App Store approval process.

"AT&T does not manage or approve applications for the App Store," company spokesman Brad Mays said. "We have received the letter and will, of course, respond to it."

Neither Apple nor Google have commented on the investigation themselves, but AT&T in the past has freely acknowledged that it doesn't want voice over IP apps like Skype, or TV-to-phone streaming apps like SlingPlayer Mobile, running on iPhones using its 3G network due to bandwidth concerns.
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It's about time.

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It's about time.

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WTF indeed.
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What remarkably good news. The rest of us can fulminate and register our disapproval but the FCC might compel Apple to do what Schiller and others already want to do.
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It's about time.

Yes, I agree. The government should buy Apple, at&t, and Google. How dare such evil corporations even exist? If the United States Government took ownership of these sordid entities then we could all go to bed at night knowing that everything is fair, everybody gets what they want, and everybody gets the same thing. We could all then gather around the virtual campfire (the real thing would be so environmentally damaging) and sing happy songs as we all, both rich and poor, texted each other with our iPhones. Then we would all travel safely home in our GM electric cars.
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Man that is an old Steve Jobs pic. You might want to use something more up to date:

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How does rejecting the Google Voice app prevent you from using the Google Voice service?
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AT&T has a big muscle in Washington. This investigation is nothing but a formality. In the end the FCC will do what AT&T ask them to do.

These guys pay millions of dollars in lobbying cash to members of the congress every year. Remember the wiretap incident? They not only got away with it, they cannot be sued for spying on us. This VOIP is issue is chicken shit. They will close down as quickly as they started it.

Money talks in Washington. Sad to say, but that is how our make-believe (UN) democratic system works. They buy and sell, votes do not count. Believe it or not!
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Pure laissez faire libertarianism is like communism - a very appealing idea to naive idealists, but retarded in real life. It just doesn't work. Monopolies are economically bad for everyone - even the monopolist, long term. That's why Teddy Roosevelt busted them back in early 1900's. Yet, here we have folks who know nothing of economics, and remember nothing of history. Even Adam Smith - the original "invisible hand of the market" agreed that some practices are <b>anti-competitive</b>, and need to be stopped.

Friends, when Apple and/or ATT engage in anti-competitive actions, they need to be stopped - for the sake of everybody... including Apple. It's a no-brainer. I'm glad the FCC is looking into this.
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How does rejecting the Google Voice app prevent you from using the Google Voice service?

It is possible to use it but, with the app your caller id that people you call see is your Google Voice number and not your cell number.
The questionable feature is free messaging. I'm sure that' what ATT doesn't like. Otherwise, I don't see where ATT loses any revenue?


The last paragraph of the article doesn't expand on the point that ATT makes Apple reject apps with features that are readily available on Blackberries and Palms that also run on ATT. Google Voice, for example
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Wow! This is what has happened to these United States of America? Worrying about shit like this when there are far more important issues that the government should be dealing with.

Can't your Obama get rid of the Republican stench that was left for the last eight years?

Sad.
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It's all biting Google back in the ass --- because the FCC investigation has expanded into how Google rejects Android apps in the Android store.
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The questionable feature is free messaging. I'm sure that' what ATT doesn't like. Otherwise, I don't see where ATT loses any revenue?


well that's easy. if I am using Google, I can ditch paying ATT 20 cents per text.

as for the whole rural customer thing, I doubt anything will come of it. the issue isn't the iphone but ATTs coverage.

Now if it was something to do with those folks having to pay the same data plan but not being able to get 3g cause of coverage, sure, sue away. cause that just ain't fair.
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Wow! This is what has happened to these United States of America? Worrying about shit like this when there are far more important issues that the government should be dealing with.

Can't your Obama get rid of the Republican stench that was left for the last eight years?

Sad.

Classy.


I hope the FCC dives in and forces the Google App and other third parties down their throat, really deep.
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From what I can tell, AT&T will also lose long distance fee's, which is a huge deal to them. It sounds like GV lets you call a local number (so you'll pay for roaming), but then it goes from analog to digital using Google's services. Like SMS, long distance fee's on cell phones are a cash cow for wireless providers (but it's straight-out being anti-competitive, with no negative impact on AT&T's network at all).

But I hope this investigation does force Apple and AT&T to stop monkeying around with app approval, just so developers can get more certainty over what can and cannot be developed for the app store.

As well, the big reason for AT&T blocking data-intensive apps on the iPhone and not on other phones, is because of the relative number of devices and actual usage of those phones. As a percentage of smartphones on AT&T's network, the iPhone would already have the biggest share today, based on the fact that overall (between all the carriers in the US, RIM is just slightly ahead of Apple in marketshare, but Apple is only on AT&T). And most of the data-intensive apps are more entertainment related (the video ones in particular), and the other smartphones are largely business oriented (they have started aiming smartphones at 'regular' consumers now that the iPhone has shown people want them). So if the apps become available on the iPhone, they will be used, and AT&T's network is already over-subscribed in many areas, so it will strain AT&T's network even more.

And this year AT&T has cut their network upgrades, I would say they will have trouble with just expanding their network to handle the new iPhone subscribers they are gaining, let alone improving their network to support more data-intensive apps so people can actually use the data plans they've paid for.
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Wow! This is what has happened to these United States of America? Worrying about shit like this when there are far more important issues that the government should be dealing with.

Actually there is nothing more important than business, equitable business to be more accurate. Without strong profitable businesses nothing can be sustained for long.
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Can't your Obama get rid of the Republican stench that was left for the last eight years?

Sad.

I'm not sure if you even have the foggiest with respect to what you are talking about. aT&Ts involment with the US government goes back a very long time. Much can be traced back to WW2. With the creation of the NSA, AT&T practically became a branch of government.

In any event this relationship has gone on for years now. Democrats or Republican it really doesn't make much difference. What lines we can't tap through the NSAs direct connection to AT&Ts switches we tap with nuclear submarines.

What is really sad is that Obama is making a bigger mess of the country faster than Bush ever did. The current administration appears to be completely ignorant when it comes to fianace anything.


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Duh, the FCC and DOJ should be investigating Verizon 10 times before they investigate ATT.

As noted, however, Verizon and ATT dictate the policy in this area. The government could be "awaiting orders" or "receiving instructions" more so than "investigating" these companies.
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Yes, I agree. The government should buy Apple, at&t, and Google. How dare such evil corporations even exist? If the United States Government took ownership of these sordid entities then we could all go to bed at night knowing that everything is fair, everybody gets what they want, and everybody gets the same thing. We could all then gather around the virtual campfire (the real thing would be so environmentally damaging) and sing happy songs as we all, both rich and poor, texted each other with our iPhones. Then we would all travel safely home in our GM electric cars.

Tulkas, you make me want to throw up.

I'm with you. I truly do not understand the issue. This seems to be a fishing expedition to find some basis for a case against exclusive deals. Doesn't Palm have an exclusive deal with Sprint? Isn't that how all phones in the country are introduced? AT&T pays a great deal of money in subsidies to carry the iPhone and offer it at a low price to customers. Since when is that illegal? Who cares if everyone in America, or the world for that matter, can't get an iPhone? Why is that a crisis? What makes owning an iPhone a basic human right? AT&T does not serve everyone in America. So what! Dominos Pizza does not deliver to everyone in America. How did we get to be this entitled?

If GV is a killer feature and it is offered on other phones, is this not the competitive edge that other venders are looking for? Why can't the marketplace decide this one? Why should the government have the right to decide what apps are approved? Do we really want the government, of any country, telling Apple what apps they have to approve, or cell carriers what services they have to offer? I have a GV # and I would much rather be pissed at AT&T and Apple for denying me a service I want rather than having the government stepping in to micromanage the industry. This is worse than anti-competitive; this is anti-capitalism. Like it or not, this is America. We are a capitalist nation.
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Yes, I agree. The government should buy Apple, at&t, and Google. How dare such evil corporations even exist? If the United States Government took ownership of these sordid entities then we could all go to bed at night knowing that everything is fair, everybody gets what they want, and everybody gets the same thing. We could all then gather around the virtual campfire (the real thing would be so environmentally damaging) and sing happy songs as we all, both rich and poor, texted each other with our iPhones. Then we would all travel safely home in our GM electric cars.

Tulkas, you make me want to throw up.

No YOU make me want to throw up! It's either one extreme or the other with you people right?
Either you idiots don't want any regulatory oversight by the govt. at all allowing companies to become too evil and greedy or you want too much govt. control thereby halting freedom and the market's natural ability to correct itself.

There is a middle ground where level heads using wisdom can regulate markets without interfering too much.
But I guess such a world doesn't exist anymore.
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I hope the FCC turns up something, and if it was indeed AT&T who had Apple pull the app, I hope the FCC slaps their ass down hard.
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I hope the FCC turns up something, and if it was indeed AT&T who had Apple pull the app, I hope the FCC slaps their ass down hard.

Why? Is it so wrong for AT&T to reject a competing service on a device that it heavily subsidizes?
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This inquiry by the FCC is just that, an inquiry.

And what's more, this situation is a reasonable thing to inquire about: is AT&T behind the pulling of Google Voice apps and if so, what's their justification for singling out Google Voice (while alternatives like Skype remain in the store)?

Is it that Google Voice is becoming far more popular than other VOIP services?

Or that Google's CEO is on Apple's Board of Directors?

Or both?

Or none of the above?
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Can't your Obama get rid of the Republican stench that was left for the last eight years?

Sadly, no, Obama can't. He's been too busy "acting stupidly" to do much of anything worthy of bringing about "Change We Can Believe In".

So get use to that stench, because this new government controlled by the likes of Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Murtha, Kerry, Boxer, etc. and Obama's cronies is making it more repugnant!

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Pure laissez faire libertarianism is like communism - a very appealing idea to naive idealists, but retarded in real life. It just doesn't work. Monopolies are economically bad for everyone - even the monopolist, long term. That's why Teddy Roosevelt busted them back in early 1900's. Yet, here we have folks who know nothing of economics, and remember nothing of history. Even Adam Smith - the original "invisible hand of the market" agreed that some practices are <b>anti-competitive</b>, and need to be stopped.

Friends, when Apple and/or ATT engage in anti-competitive actions, they need to be stopped - for the sake of everybody... including Apple. It's a no-brainer. I'm glad the FCC is looking into this.

Laissez faire libertarianism like communism? You're really pushing it, Gomer. You may as well say "Obamism" is like Communism. An equally inane comparison.

At any rate, your answer indicates to me that you need a little more information on what Libertarians really stand for.

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About time. However, I have a feeling that the removal request was from Google not AT&T (I don't know.. maybe Google is going to shut the service down?!). There are plenty of other apps that hurt AT&T more than Google Voice (IM and VOIP apps are more damaging in my opinion). My understanding is that Google Voice uses your AT&T minutes to make and receive calls and therefore it is better for AT&T since you will be eating your minutes at higher rate. Furthermore, AOL IM app let you send SMS messages without using your AT&T minutes.
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Sadly, no, Obama can't. He's been too busy "acting stupidly" to do much of anything worthy of bringing about "Change We Can Believe In".

So get use to that stench, because this new government controlled by the likes of Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Murtha, Kerry, Boxer, etc. and Obama's cronies is making it more repugnant!

Hey, waitaminit! But... but... he IS all about change. He had a beer with a black professor and a white cop. That's something new!

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I'm with you. I truly do not understand the issue. This seems to be a fishing expedition to find some basis for a case against exclusive deals. Doesn't Palm have an exclusive deal with Sprint? Isn't that how all phones in the country are introduced? AT&T pays a great deal of money in subsidies to carry the iPhone and offer it at a low price to customers. Since when is that illegal? Who cares if everyone in America, or the world for that matter, can't get an iPhone? Why is that a crisis? What makes owning an iPhone a basic human right? AT&T does not serve everyone in America. So what! Dominos Pizza does not deliver to everyone in America. How did we get to be this entitled?

If GV is a killer feature and it is offered on other phones, is this not the competitive edge that other venders are looking for? Why can't the marketplace decide this one? Why should the government have the right to decide what apps are approved? Do we really want the government, of any country, telling Apple what apps they have to approve, or cell carriers what services they have to offer? I have a GV # and I would much rather be pissed at AT&T and Apple for denying me a service I want rather than having the government stepping in to micromanage the industry. This is worse than anti-competitive; this is anti-capitalism. Like it or not, this is America. We are a capitalist nation.

couldn't agree more. This sense of entitlement of some iPhone users is just amazing. If people don't like Apple and ipHone because they can't have GV app, they should just move to other carriers with other sh**t phones. People don't have a constitutional right to have an iPhone and a GV apps.
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I think this article explains the problem. Sorry about its length:

I Quit The iPhone
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Friday, July 31, 2009 1:46 AM

I have loved the iPhone, but now I am quitting the iPhone.

I was there in January 2007 when it was announced and I bought the first iPhone as soon as it was available. I happily bought the iPhone 3G a year later. I've proudly yelled "I Am A Member Of The Cult Of iPhone." I've been an unabashed cheerleader for the device to all who'll listen. And I've scoffed at developers who said they'd abandon the platform.

But I'm not going to upgrade to the iPhone 3GS. Instead, I'm abandoning the iPhone and AT&T. I will grudgingly pay the $175 AT&T termination fee and then I will move on to another device.

What finally put me over the edge? It wasn't the routinely dropped calls, something you can only truly understand once you have owned an iPhone (and which drove my friend Om Malik to bail). I've lived with that for two years. It's not the lack of AT&T coverage at home. I've lived with that for two years, too. It certainly isn't the lack of a physical keyboard, that has never bothered me. No, what finally put me over the edge is the Google Voice debacle.

Most of you won't know what I'm talking about, so I'll explain.

Google Voice is a a call management service that lets you determine what calls get through to you based on who's calling and what time of day it is, among other factors. It has amazing features, like automatically transcribing all your voicemails. And you can forward calls to any other phone easily and automatically. Here's an overview of the service if you aren't familiar with it.

I've always wanted to use Google Voice but there's a big switching cost - changing your phone number. Too many people have that phone number and use it to call in great stories. There's no way I'm giving that up. And there's another problem with Google Voice. When you make outbound calls from a phone, it (obviously) doesn't use your Google Voice phone number, so recipients don't know it's you calling. Those were two hurdles I wasn't willing to jump over.

But now Google is planning on rolling out number portability, so I can move my mobile phone number to Google. None of my friends, family or contacts have to store a new number.

That still leaves the problem of outbound calls, though. I can move my mobile number to Google and then get a new iPhone account, but outbound calls won't be identified because they are on the new number. Google has a solution for that too, though. They are releasing apps for a variety of handsets that effectively take over the native dialer, address book and call log. Problem solved. I can use any phone I like, or a bunch of phones, and just choose the one that makes sense at any time. I never have to be tied to a carrier and their restrictive contracts again.

Or so I thought. Apple and AT&T are now blocking the iPhone version of the Google Voice app. Why? Because they absolutely don't want people doing exactly what I'm doing - moving their phone number to Google and using the carrier as a dumb pipe.

So I have to choose between the iPhone and Google Voice. It's not an easy decision. Except, it sort of is. Google isn't forcing the decision on me, Apple and AT&T are. So I choose to work with the company that isn't forcing me to do things their way. And in this case, that's Google.

So what phone will I use next? Well, that decision is easy, too. I'd move to the Palm Pre because I believe it is the best phone out there other than the iPhone 3GS. But Google hasn't created an app for the Palm Pre yet, just Android and Blackberry phones. So for now I'm going to use the new Android myTouch 3G along with the Google Voice App. As soon as something better comes out, or Google makes an app for the Pre, I'll switch. And keep the same phone number. No long term contracts for me.

And Apple, if you ever decide to put the hammer down on AT&T and do the right thing for your loyal users, I'll consider switching back. In the meantime, I'll just use one of many iPod Touches laying around our office to test out new apps.
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Sadly, no, Obama can't. He's been too busy "acting stupidly" to do much of anything worthy of bringing about "Change We Can Believe In".

So get use to that stench, because this new government controlled by the likes of Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Murtha, Kerry, Boxer, etc. and Obama's cronies is making it more repugnant!

Yeah improving the economy, removing troops from Iraq, and health care for everyone is really acting stupidly. Do me a favor and go waste some time trying to find Obama's "secret" birth certificate!
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It's either one extreme or the other with you people right?

In an ocean of back-seat commenters, only the extremists get the replies. Taking a moderate point of view is either ignored or perceived as a sign of weakness. Welcome to the Internet age of anonymous bluster with no real-world consequences.

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There is a middle ground where level heads using wisdom can regulate markets without interfering too much.
But I guess such a world doesn't exist anymore.

Such a world does exist, thankfully, but it gets drowned out by the sensationalist 'news' generated by attention whores and marketing companies.
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I'm with you. I truly do not understand the issue. This seems to be a fishing expedition to find some basis for a case against exclusive deals. Doesn't Palm have an exclusive deal with Sprint? Isn't that how all phones in the country are introduced? AT&T pays a great deal of money in subsidies to carry the iPhone and offer it at a low price to customers. Since when is that illegal? Who cares if everyone in America, or the world for that matter, can't get an iPhone? Why is that a crisis? What makes owning an iPhone a basic human right? AT&T does not serve everyone in America. So what! Dominos Pizza does not deliver to everyone in America. How did we get to be this entitled?

If GV is a killer feature and it is offered on other phones, is this not the competitive edge that other venders are looking for? Why can't the marketplace decide this one? Why should the government have the right to decide what apps are approved? Do we really want the government, of any country, telling Apple what apps they have to approve, or cell carriers what services they have to offer? I have a GV # and I would much rather be pissed at AT&T and Apple for denying me a service I want rather than having the government stepping in to micromanage the industry. This is worse than anti-competitive; this is anti-capitalism. Like it or not, this is America. We are a capitalist nation.

The issue is that the cell phone companies are in collusion together to keep the cost of cellular service and SMS TEXT MESSAGING IN PARTICULAR artificially high.

Google come along and wants to charge a more appropriate price for text messaging(FREE).
But to protect their stranglehold on customers they block Google.

The reality is that unlimited text messaging shouldn't cost more than $5 a month.
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AT&T has a big muscle in Washington. This investigation is nothing but a formality. In the end the FCC will do what AT&T ask them to do.

These guys pay millions of dollars in lobbying cash to members of the congress every year. Remember the wiretap incident? They not only got away with it, they cannot be sued for spying on us. This VOIP is issue is chicken shit. They will close down as quickly as they started it.

Money talks in Washington. Sad to say, but that is how our make-believe (UN) democratic system works. They buy and sell, votes do not count. Believe it or not!

How do you even get out of bed in the morning with a bleak world view like that? I sure hope you don't have kids.
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Wow! This is what has happened to these United States of America? Worrying about shit like this when there are far more important issues that the government should be dealing with.

Can't your Obama get rid of the Republican stench that was left for the last eight years?

Sad.

WTF are you talking about?

The FCC is finally getting off it's ass and actually moving to protect consumers (faster in this case than they ever have before), and you think this is some kind of "business as usual?"

This is exactly what "removing the Republican stench" looks like. Taking completely unfair predatory practices by companies like AT&T to task and ignoring the fact that they are trying to pay the politicians to look the other way.

What are you living in some kind of Bizarro reverse-world?
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WTF are you talking about?

The FCC is finally getting off it's ass and actually moving to protect consumers (faster in this case than they ever have before), and you think this is some kind of "business as usual?"

This is exactly what "removing the Republican stench" looks like. Taking completely unfair predatory practices by companies like AT&T to task and ignoring the fact that they are trying to pay the politicians to look the other way.

What are you living in some kind of Bizarro reverse-world?

Amen! Man, seriously any apple fanboys who think this is bad news are severely underthinking this. Do you really think apple does not want google voice apps on the iPhone? Do you really think it was apple that killed 3g streaming of the slingplayer app? Come on! Although apple is monoolistic to a point, it is these wireless carriers that are holding up progress. This investiigstin could look produce results like theiphone being availableon other carriers than Att. I do t know about you, but I would be pretty happy. This onvestifTion is not just about google voice- although it might be the impetus, the FCC is after far more than google voice being rejected.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Yes, I agree. The government should buy Apple, at&t, and Google. How dare such evil corporations even exist? If the United States Government took ownership of these sordid entities then we could all go to bed at night knowing that everything is fair, everybody gets what they want, and everybody gets the same thing. We could all then gather around the virtual campfire (the real thing would be so environmentally damaging) and sing happy songs as we all, both rich and poor, texted each other with our iPhones. Then we would all travel safely home in our GM electric cars.

Tulkas, you make me want to throw up.

Hey lkrupp, how about making a statement against government intervention by calling AT&T and asking them to assign you a new random number, rather than continuing to use the number you retained after leaving Verizon/Sprint/whatever. After all the ability to do so only happened AFTER government intervention (and was strongly opposed by the carriers). And since no one but salespeople want to get a hold of you in the first place, it will be no loss on your part!
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I Quit The iPhone
Michael Arrington
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Friday, July 31, 2009 1:46 AM

The fact that Arrington is ditching his iPhone makes me like my iPhone just that little bit more.

Maybe do a search on the guy to find out how highly he's not regarded in the industry.

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Amen! Man, seriously any apple fanboys who think this is bad news are severely underthinking this. Do you really think apple does not want google voice apps on the iPhone? Do you really think it was apple that killed 3g streaming of the slingplayer app? Come on! Although apple is monoolistic to a point, it is these wireless carriers that are holding up progress. This investiigstin could look produce results like theiphone being availableon other carriers than Att. I do t know about you, but I would be pretty happy. This onvestifTion is not just about google voice- although it might be the impetus, the FCC is after far more than google voice being rejected.

Your theory makes it sound like it's all the evils of carriers, hollywood and music studios.

Apple and Google are bigger than 99.99999999% of the carriers out there --- the only carrier bigger (in terms of market cap) is AT&T and some Chinese carriers (which are priced way out of normalcy with their stock market). What you think verizon is evil or vodafone is evil or T-Mobile is evil or Orange is evil or O2 is evil --- guess again. The carriers are small potatos which have their livelihood threaten by much bigger silicon valley giants.

You can buy a major music label for 700-800 million dollars. You can buy a Hollywood studio for a few billion dollars. In an era where silicon billionaires spend $200-300 million on a yacht --- they can buy a major music label with their yacht collection.

FCC ---- SHOULD BE --- going after far more than this ---- this is why the FCC sent a letter to Google asking how Google rejects apps submitted to the Android app store. It's biting Google back in the ass.
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