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post #41 of 91
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Originally Posted by iPhone1982 View Post

Not a troll for the iPhone (just for the Mac computer) and you are correct, Netflix & Flash are available on the Mac. BUT WILL NEVER BE AVAILABLE ON THE IPHONE and if they are they will be WiFi only (unlike the Blackberry and WinMo).

Buy the way, Flash has always sucked on the Mac.


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post #42 of 91
Apple has accepted other media services tha compete directly with iTunes. All of the music streaming and radio apps directly compete with iTunes.

As I said before AT&T cannot block http streaming video. Even if Apple rejected a native Netflix app. Apple provides development tools that allow Netflix to make a web app that looks and feels exactly like a native app. There would be nothing Apple or AT&T could do to stop people from streaming movies using 3G.

Using your phone in general depletes your battery. That won't be a reason for people to not stream video. The iPhone can use WiFi for 5 hours and play video for 10 hours. You should easily get two movies out of one charge.

If/once Netflix and Hulu are on the iPhone. People will use them in huge numbers. Which is AT&T's nightmare.

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I think this rumor is unlikely. Not only because it competes directly with iTunes, but also because it's kind if pointless.

Think about it - no 3G support from AT&T means you'd be limited to WiFi, and you need a good connection as well, at least 1 - 2 mbps constant, even for the iPhone screen. Not something you'd get at your local 'free wi-fi' Mall. So you'll be using it at home then.

Oh, and streaming WiFi video, not exactly battery friendly, so it'll be plugged in then,

Ah... so how many people will use their iPhone to stream netflicks at home, as opposed to their computer or Xbox?

Exactly...
post #43 of 91
I am firmly in the camp of "It's never going to happen!"

Also, I never want to see Flash on the iPhone. I want Flash dead! It is bad, even on the computer. I want to see it replaced with something much more optimized for the hardware that people actually have as opposed to octal-core monsters. We all need to break our dependency on Flash. The world would be a better place.
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post #44 of 91
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Another person that didn't bother to read the article.

iread it iread it

net flix rocks

and will soon come to iphone over wifi
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post #45 of 91
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Originally Posted by OC4Theo View Post

If AT&T allows this to go thru, then everybody will be allowed. And if that happens, making phone calls or using internet will become a headache, just like cable is a headache.

Video streaming should NOT be allowed on the iPhone. If you want to watch movie, stay your ass at home. There is already enough distractions on the road. No damn video streaming.

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post #46 of 91
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Originally Posted by longterm View Post

Can anyonea say, "Nobody cares?" Looked at Motorola's cell phone marketshare lately?

Yes, and as patheitc RAZR is iy has taken the #2 spot for World Sale.

We are in a recession that why Apple is lowering their prices and cutting costs to try and keep their same margin.

So now can you say RAZR? Dumb phonrece that does copy and paste and has voice dialing for the last ten years.

The recession may noy have hit you anr me yet but I would guess it will, RAZR will look great with your unibory laptopl
post #47 of 91
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Apple has accepted other media services tha compete directly with iTunes. All of the music streaming and radio apps directly compete with iTunes.

As I said before AT&T cannot block http streaming video. Even if Apple rejected a native N.

Yet they allow no Video. It's going to be another 5 years of battles and on this one Everyone in the market has beat Apple to the game.

Steve's skinnky ass will be rolling in the grave before this one happens.

Give Tim Cook a board seat and things will change. He's youg (or looks 90 years younfet than Steve).

He is the man now.
post #48 of 91
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Originally Posted by iPhone1982 View Post

Yes, and as patheitc RAZR is iy has taken the #2 spot for World Sale.

We are in a recession that why Apple is lowering their prices and cutting costs to try and keep their same margin.

So now can you say RAZR? Dumb phonrece that does copy and paste and has voice dialing for the last ten years.

The recession may noy have hit you anr me yet but I would guess it will, RAZR will look great with your unibory laptopl

You are so random.
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post #49 of 91
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Originally Posted by Dlux View Post

I'm certainly all for getting rid of Microsoft's version of DRM and the necessity for Silverlight on a Mac, but what would Netflix use instead? They can't simply stream everything out unprotected, as people would simply make copies of everything.

I'm not saying it's right, but do you really think that all those millions of subscribers don't already copy what they rent?

Just sayin'
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post #50 of 91
Joost, TV.com, iPlayer. Stop while you are behind.

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Originally Posted by iPhone1982 View Post

Yet they allow no Video. It's going to be another 5 years of battles and on this one Everyone in the market has beat Apple to the game.

Steve's skinnky ass will be rolling in the grave before this one happens.

Give Tim Cook a board seat and things will change. He's youg (or looks 90 years younfet than Steve).

He is the man now.
post #51 of 91
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Originally Posted by iPhone1982 View Post

Given Apple & AT&T's reluctance to allow Slingbox (Streaming Video) I don't see this ever happening.

Apple wants you to use iTunes and nothing else for revenue reasons (even as lousy as there HD is). You are in a closed Apple World. That is why my next phone will not be an iPhone.

Edit. Not to mention the fact that Netflix uses Windows DRM. Yeah, like Jobs would allow that on the iPhone.

It would be like saying... Nobody is really using iTunes so we will use Microsoft's DRM on the iPhone.
That is why we don't have Flash on the iPhone.

No Revenue to Apple means you are being kept in a closed Apple confined world.

Does it really matter? What I have on the iphone and the device itself is WAY more than any of the winmo phones have provided...AND this includes all the iphone/att restrictions. The problem is not with the phone or company as much as it is with the user or potential user complaining that the phone restricts this, or doesn't support that.

Can you show me a phone that does more than the iphone. I've had the att tilt and treo 750, and neither comes close to the stability, usability, or dearth of quality, low cost apps as the iphone. Not being a fanboy, but just stating facts
post #52 of 91
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

iPhone web apps are completely forgotten. If Netflix create a web app with live streaming then Apple and AT&T can do nothing about it.

Except have the app pulled like google voice
post #53 of 91
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

First, how about no name calling. Usually the first to lose their cool loses the argument.

Second, you simply failed to comprehend the article, and people's responses. Read, don't skim. On the iPhone, it's not about some alleged proprietary Quicktime, it's about using an open standard.

YouTube (and Flash, Silverlight and the rest of the world) is moving to h.264 anyway, no conversion should be necessary.

Thanks Mod. That guy was getting belligerent
post #54 of 91
Apple needs to embrace a subscription-based IPTV service. Imagine an Apple TV in every home!
post #55 of 91
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

I know there are people who would like Flash on the iPhone but it runs like crap on a cellphone (and a Mac). If you don't believe me read Engadget's review of the HTC Hero. They have a video of it running Flash and looks like he watching a flipbook. He even called it unbearable.

Flash runs like crap on a MAc?
Hmmm- not on mine.
post #56 of 91
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Flash runs like crap on a MAc?
Hmmm- not on mine.

When I play a show from Hulu on my mac mini it stutters somewhat. When I boot that mac into windows and play the same show it is much smoother. That suggests to me that all things being equal the windows version of flash is better optimized.
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post #57 of 91
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Originally Posted by iPhone1982 View Post

Given Apple & AT&T's reluctance to allow Slingbox (Streaming Video) I don't see this ever happening.

Apple wants you to use iTunes and nothing else for revenue reasons (even as lousy as there HD is). You are in a closed Apple World. That is why my next phone will not be an iPhone.

Edit. Not to mention the fact that Netflix uses Windows DRM. Yeah, like Jobs would allow that on the iPhone.

It would be like saying... Nobody is really using iTunes so we will use Microsoft's DRM on the iPhone.
That is why we don't have Flash on the iPhone.

No Revenue to Apple means you are being kept in a closed Apple confined world.

Slingbox and Netflix streaming are two completely different things. Netflix can make a deal with AT&T to optimize the network traffic. Slingbox is a complete mess network wise.
post #58 of 91
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

"So Flash is kind of a big deal on new smartphones. The iPhone doesn't have it, the Pre doesn't have it, BlackBerry devices don't have it... but the Hero does. Unfortunately, in our testing, we found the inclusion actually hurts operation of the phone more than it helps. When browsing to a site heavy on Flash (there are many), the browser loading times were abysmal. Furthermore, trying to view videos in-window produced choppy, nearly unwatchable results. You may have a better experience with lighter kinds of content, but in our opinion the main reason to introduce Flash into a mobile environment is to allow for broader media viewing options, and in the current state of this Flash player, you're not really going to get much mileage out of it."

Engadget HTC Hero review

Hey! Your not supposed to point out that Apple was correct in refusing to put flash on the iPhone for performance reasons! Your only supposed to portray them as evil and vindictive and wanting to spoil everyone's fun!
post #59 of 91
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

Oh, and streaming WiFi video, not exactly battery friendly, so it'll be plugged in then,

Ah... so how many people will use their iPhone to stream netflicks at home, as opposed to their computer or Xbox?

Assuming you need to have it plugged in to watch more than four hours, the home isn't the only place that has power jacks of any kind.

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Flash runs like crap on a MAc?
Hmmm- not on mine.

Crap may be an overstatement, bit Flash is pretty inefficient. I don't think it's just Macs, but Flash on Macs seems more CPU bound than the Windows version.
post #60 of 91
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Originally Posted by jsmythe00 View Post

Except have the app pulled like google voice

Another person who don't know what is the difference between web apps and native apps. Web apps are basically webpages optimized for the iPhone. Apple has no control over what you can visit on the internet.
post #61 of 91
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post

When I play a show from Hulu on my mac mini it stutters somewhat. When I boot that mac into windows and play the same show it is much smoother. That suggests to me that all things being equal the windows version of flash is better optimized.

Agreed - it's never been a big secret that Flash works better on Windows. Flash 10 closed the gap, but not enough.

If you're on a 2.2 ghz C2D or better, you might never notice, but more modest hardware can suffer. Even my 2ghz 2006 CoreDuo shows minor lag on Hulu like your mini, on a screen resolution of 1650x1050 - in Windows, this doesn't happen.

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post #62 of 91
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Assuming you need to have it plugged in to watch more than four hours, the home isn't the only place that has power jacks of any kind.

I wasn't talking only about power requirements, it's the whole package. You need power as well as a constant steady connection. Even if Netflix used HTLM streaming (doubtful, as it could be easily cracked on a PC pointing at the same stream), AT&Ts dodgy 3G would have to keep up with the data requirement. Not likely - I barely get 100kbps on 3G in NYC (I just did a test now on 3G and got 0.08 Mbps on 3G download.

It'd be interesting to get it, but you have to wonder how practical it this would be on a mobile device. City-wide roaming broadband wireless is a long way from being a reality, so we're either stuck with this at home, or netflix will have to stream video over 80kbps.

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post #63 of 91
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Because of Apple. No other reason. They gain no revenue so you are screwed into paying for their POS Video which can't even be compared with 720p. It looks more like VHS.

The bigger problem with TV and movies from iTunes is availability, and I suspect Apple is working day and night bend the studios on that.

I want iTunes to be a Comcast/Netflix killer, and that's not going to happen until:

1. I can get all (or most) of the TV shows I want to watch for a monthly subscription price -- outrageously expensive would be fine because cable is already outrageously expensive, and competition will drive down the price over time -- for Apple TV, computer and iPhone. Include current season episodes in the plan and charge for catalog titles.

2. I can name 10 DVD new release and catalog movies and 9 of them are available on iTunes for $4-$6 for PPV for Apple TV, computer and iPhone.

3. Apple makes separate deals with CNN, MSNBC and Fox News for live, HD feeds for Apple TV -- even if I have to pay extra.

4. Apple works out arrangements with the networks, sports leagues, awards shows, etc., for live HD feeds for Apple TV -- even if I have to pay extra.

Cost should not be an issue. Make it ridiculously expensive if that's what it takes to put together a plan that will let me choose between iTunes and Comcast, and then competition will bring the two in line over time.
post #64 of 91
Anyone else been irritated by ubiquitous Netflix pop-ups? Irritated enough to boycott the service even if available on iPhone?
post #65 of 91
Encryption can be built into the http stream. Netflix can easily enough block PC's from seeing the HTML stream. These aren't real problems.

AT&T's 3G reliability differs on where you are. NYC likely has the highest concentration of iPhone's in the world. AT&T 3G has been found to be very fast in areas where it is not overly saturated.

As far as data rate. One of the advantages of HTML streaming as that its bit rate can be throttled in real time to adjust for connection speed.


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I wasn't talking only about power requirements, it's the whole package. You need power as well as a constant steady connection. Even if Netflix used HTLM streaming (doubtful, as it could be easily cracked on a PC pointing at the same stream), AT&Ts dodgy 3G would have to keep up with the data requirement. Not likely - I barely get 100kbps on 3G in NYC (I just did a test now on 3G and got 0.08 Mbps on 3G download.

It'd be interesting to get it, but you have to wonder how practical it this would be on a mobile device. City-wide roaming broadband wireless is a long way from being a reality, so we're either stuck with this at home, or netflix will have to stream video over 80kbps.
post #66 of 91
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Another person who don't know what is the difference between web apps and native apps. Web apps are basically webpages optimized for the iPhone. Apple has no control over what you can visit on the internet.

They can't control where you visit, but they can control what you see. The lack of Flash on the iPhone is one instance of that.

Not that I think it's a bad thing (I wish Flash would go away), but access to various technologies - good or bad - is not guaranteed on the iPhone via Safari.
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AT&T's 3G reliability differs on where you are. NYC likely has the highest concentration of iPhone's in the world. AT&T 3G has been found to be very fast in areas where it is not overly saturated.

As far as data rate. One of the advantages of HTML streaming as that its bit rate can be throttled in real time to adjust for connection speed.

At the end of the day, the codec behind the scenes is going to be h.264. Digital video is something I take a keen interest in professionally and personally, and 100kbps is not good enough for anything remotely viewable, at least in terms of watching movies or TV shows.

I know it's very easy and tempting to counter my points one by one, but no one seems to want to answer the question; why? Why is this a good fit for the iPhone, as opposed to a laptop?

In a car, train or bus? - unreliable signal, drop outs
On an aircraft? Possibly when WiFi is made available, but it's likely to cost money, you might was well rent an iTunes movie
On the subway in major cities? No signal

At home? Most people will use their TV or computer (and Netflix prevent simultaneous streams on one account, so you can't even watch something different to other members of the household).

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post #68 of 91
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They can't control where you visit, but they can control what you see. The lack of Flash on the iPhone is one instance of that.

No, Apple cant control what you see. Flash for streaming video is just a medium for receiving it. If you read the thread youll see that there are plenty of ways to get the stream to your iPhone and that Flash doesnt work very well for streaming video on such a slow device. Apple and other cellphone vendors decision not to include Flash was a wise move. Its Adobe fault for not having a decent version of flash for streaming video on mobiles, but without even having a decent version for Linux of Mac OS X, what should we expect from them.
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At the end of the day, the codec behind the scenes is going to be h.264. Digital video is something I take a keen interest in professionally and personally, and 100kbps is not good enough for anything remotely viewable, at least in terms of watching movies or TV shows.

I know it's very easy and tempting to counter my points one by one, but no one seems to want to answer the question; why? Why is this a good fit for the iPhone, as opposed to a laptop?

Would you rather someone not counter your points individually in intelligent discourse, but rather just make a blanket statement that addresses none of them?

What is a good fit for the iPhone but not a laptop? HTTP Streaming? That is available across the board if websites choose to utilize it. What isnt available is a decent Flash viewer for mobile devices which means that the iPhone and other phones cannot use Flash for streaming video. Now Adobe is struggling, but it looks a little too late, they are now going to lose out to more open standards and more efficient streaming options.
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Originally Posted by Dlux View Post

They can't control where you visit, but they can control what you see. The lack of Flash on the iPhone is one instance of that.

Not that I think it's a bad thing (I wish Flash would go away), but access to various technologies - good or bad - is not guaranteed on the iPhone via Safari.

Flash is not the one and only way to stream video. On the iPhone you can stream and watch movies without flash and Apple can't stop you unless thy decide to completely block videos from Safari, which will hurt Apple the most. As far as I know, if you want to develop a native iPhone app or a web app to stream video you will have to use one of the iPhone supported video format.
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

If you read the thread you’ll see that there are plenty of ways to get the stream to your iPhone and that Flash doesn’t work very well for streaming video on such a slow device.

Flash doesn't work at all for streaming video on such a device. Apple simply doesn't allow it!


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Apple and other cellphone vendor’s decision not to include Flash was a wise move.

I was never disputing that. Read my full post again.

Edit: I hope people aren't interpreting my post to read that I am supporting Flash in any way. I'm simply pointing out that there are limits to what people can expect to use on their iPhones, and as such, certain streaming technologies are non-starters, whether as a native app or within Safari. That can change, of course, but for now Flash is off limits (and rightfully so, imo.) I don't know if there are negotiations underway to support Silverlight, but if so, that would seem to be one way to facilitate Netflix streaming. I hope not, though.
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Originally Posted by Muncie View Post

Anyone else been irritated by ubiquitous Netflix pop-ups? Irritated enough to boycott the service even if available on iPhone?

That's your choice. It's not totally unreasonable because those things are irritating. That said, I usually don't get them, the ones I get, I don't see.
post #73 of 91
As a Touch user, the wifi-only limitation doesn't bother me one bit. And as existing Netflix subscriber, this is great.
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Netflix doesn't need DRM to stream to the iPhone. There is no way to record or divert the stream


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Originally Posted by Mac Voyer View Post

I am firmly in the camp of "It's never going to happen!"

Also, I never want to see Flash on the iPhone. I want Flash dead! It is bad, even on the computer. I want to see it replaced with something much more optimized for the hardware that people actually have as opposed to octal-core monsters. We all need to break our dependency on Flash. The world would be a better place.

I'm all for not watching Flash 'trash' especially not on my iPhone, but just as an example, visit Google Finance and click on a stock index detail, play around with the charting tool and tell me exactly why this is bad and how you would propose to offer that kind of functionality without using Flash (or Java, also not on iPhone).

I'm in the camp of 'No bad Flash, just bad people.' I run ClickToFlash on my Macs and would do the same on my iPhone if it had Flash.

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I'm all for not watching Flash 'trash' especially not on my iPhone, but just as an example, visit Google Finance and click on a stock index detail, play around with the charting tool and tell me exactly why this is bad and how you would propose to offer that kind of functionality without using Flash (or Java, also not on iPhone).

I'm in the camp of 'No bad Flash, just bad people.' I run ClickToFlash on my Macs and would do the same on my iPhone if it had Flash.

Google will remove Flash at some point from Google Finance. They have cut out Flash in a good deal of their other sites already. HTML5, CSS3 and AJAX offer a lot of potential for powerful open standards.

PS: You already dont need Flash to view YouTube videos and I dont think Google will want any of their web services requiring Flash when they finally release ChromeOS, so Id wager that even Google Finance will have an option for no Flash for the interactive menu within a year.
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Are asking what is the point of watching video on your phone. In a word, convenience. The phone is taking the place of laptops, the laptop is taking the place of desktops.

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At the end of the day, the codec behind the scenes is going to be h.264. Digital video is something I take a keen interest in professionally and personally, and 100kbps is not good enough for anything remotely viewable, at least in terms of watching movies or TV shows.

I know it's very easy and tempting to counter my points one by one, but no one seems to want to answer the question; why? Why is this a good fit for the iPhone, as opposed to a laptop?

In a car, train or bus? - unreliable signal, drop outs
On an aircraft? Possibly when WiFi is made available, but it's likely to cost money, you might was well rent an iTunes movie
On the subway in major cities? No signal

At home? Most people will use their TV or computer (and Netflix prevent simultaneous streams on one account, so you can't even watch something different to other members of the household).

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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Google will remove Flash at some point from Google Finance. They have cut out Flash in a good deal of their other sites already. HTML5, CSS3 and AJAX offer a lot of potential for powerful open standards.

I wasn't aware they had flash for anything except YouTube, Google Video and the finance applet. Can HTML 5 & AJAX really replace Flash for that applet? Seems like it would be a masochistic programming effort.
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Google will remove Flash at some point from Google Finance. They have cut out Flash in a good deal of their other sites already. HTML5, CSS3 and AJAX offer a lot of potential for powerful open standards.

PS: You already dont need Flash to view YouTube videos and I dont think Google will want any of their web services requiring Flash when they finally release ChromeOS, so Id wager that even Google Finance will have an option for no Flash for the interactive menu within a year.

About removing Flash within a year - you know this how? Just asking...

I'm quite familiar with the technologies you mentioned, as well as Flash, Air, Actionscript and other Shockwave programming but I still fail to see how CSS3, HTML5 will do what Flash does. Ajax can only do what Javascript does. For example the whole rift between the various browser publishers about the <video> tag will not likely be resolved within a year.

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I wasn't aware they had flash for anything except YouTube, Google Video and the finance applet. Can HTML 5 & AJAX really replace Flash for that applet? Seems like it would be a masochistic programming effort.

They dont seem to use Flash on Google Maps, which has a lot more interactive options than Google Finance for manipulating interactive image details.
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