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Too bad it didn't give you a sense of humor.

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post #82 of 132
Just updated over 20 iMacs at my office from the auto software updater. No problems.
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post #83 of 132
My God, I didn't know doing an update could be so traumatic!

- well, I did the update, through Software Update
- it seemed to work fine
- no problems
- and seems to have fixed the problems I was having with Airport.
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post #84 of 132
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Download the combined update, and try again.

Also fix permissions.

Hey, Mel. I used Software Update with no problems (single reboot, repaired permissions, snappy). But then I saw some of the posts from people having problems, so I then downloaded the Combo Updater and tried installing that just to be on the safe side problems (Finder started acting strange, sluggishness, etc.). Hard-rebooted into Safe Mode and ran the Combo Updater again. The Combo installer completed the install, but then after clicking on RESTART, the installer wouldn't quit. Hard-rebooted again (this time starting up from my rescue drive), ran Drive Genius, repaired permissions, restarted normally and now I seem to be up and running. Not sure what that was all about.

About the permissions though whenever I repair permissions, there's always a laundry list of permissions that "are such-n-such, but should be such-n-so" but Disk Utility never actually changes them no matter how many times I run the repair? Is that normal?

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post #85 of 132
Wahoo!!! The iDisk icon in finder now matches the me.com and iphone iDisk app. Its blue and not purple.

Yes I'm anal!
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It's the stud. BTW usually, snappiness on a Mac stays for many, many months. Doesn't suffer the rotting that a Windows install does - I'm very picky with what I install on my PC, because I want maximum uncompromising performance in games. Which means staying clear of any shareware/ "multimedia" / toolbar/ etc. downloads unless absolutely necessary.
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post #87 of 132
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Wahoo!!! The iDisk icon in finder now matches the me.com and iphone iDisk app. Its blue and not purple.

Yes I'm anal!

Color coordination is a good thing.
post #88 of 132
After the 10.5.8 update my iMac boots with display's brightness at maximum setting.
post #89 of 132
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Even though Apple has Software Update, it's always a good idea to download the combo update, and install from there.

The smaller one usually updates some of these files, leaves others alone, and replaces others. It can be a mess.

The combo update simply replaces everything all at once, and is safer.

I would do that, and then fix permissions. You can try permissions first, but I don't think that will help.

I know that some people razz me for saying this, but people sometimes have some disk corruption, or problems that they aren't aware of. If you do, that could cause a problem. The updates don't do the thorough job of diskchecking that an upgrade does (though, just to be on the safe side I do check the disk first).

If you do have a problem, it doesn't hurt to check the disk.

Now why would Apple have "Software Update" if it is flawed as you state? I've never had a problem using it when it advises me that an update is available. However, I refuse to go seek out updates - that's when the problems usually arise IMHO.
post #90 of 132
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Originally Posted by super8sean View Post

its not as smooth.
minor hiccups here and there.
safari seems slower
and time machine freezes and then unfreezes

Is time machine running a backup of the new OS version? Or is your system reindexing spotlight? Those sorts of things often happen right after an upgrade and temporarily slow things down. Has your system returned to normal?
post #91 of 132
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After the 10.5.8 update my iMac boots with display's brightness at maximum setting.

I noticed that too, I tried resetting the PRAM, but that doesn't seem to fix it. Not sure what is wrong. Doesn't happen on Mac Pro or Macbook.

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post #92 of 132
I'm pretty cautious, too. My method:

1. Boot from cloned backup drive (I always keep this one .version back just in case. CCC is also my weapon of choice, here)
2. Run DiskWarrior on main drive.
3. Boot from main drive & clone entire shebang to backup drive.
4. Reboot from backup to make sure it's all hunky dory in case I need to use if for a nuke/pave in the event of a bad update. (It's only happened once or twice, but this has reduced my worry factor to zero)
5. Eject & unplug backup drive.
6. Reboot from main drive & run software update.

I think journaling has made a lot of this less necessary, as it seems like directory corruption is much less of a problem since 10.3, but you never know. I had problems the last time I ran DW.

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post #93 of 132
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Is time machine running a backup of the new OS version? Or is your system reindexing spotlight? Those sorts of things often happen right after an upgrade and temporarily slow things down. Has your system returned to normal?

They really should inform you when Spotlight is doing a reindexing. Its too often people just dont realize that can slow down your machine. The indicator that Spotlight is indexing is very subtle; a single dot in the center of the Spotlight icon. They really should have the icon change its look noticeably or even have an overlay for several seconds that states that Spotlight will be indexing your drive which may cause a temporary slowdown until complete.
post #94 of 132
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

They really should inform you when Spotlight is doing a reindexing. Its too often people just dont realize that can slow down your machine. The indicator that Spotlight is indexing is very subtle; a single dot in the center of the Spotlight icon. They really should have the icon change its look noticeably or even have an overlay for several seconds that states that Spotlight will be indexing your drive which may cause a temporary slowdown until complete.

I agree that the indexing indicator should be more dynamic, but I think Spotlight should be able to index without slowing the system down at all.

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post #95 of 132
kinda sad the final update to the g 3 4 5 series . goodbye
snow lep is intel only
my g4 's all of them rocked
apple cut's the cord years too early
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post #96 of 132
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I agree that the indexing indicator should be more dynamic, but I think Spotlight should be able to index without slowing the system down at all.

Id like that, even if it had to do it slower than normal while actively using the machine. Eventually it wont be an issue so perhaps Apple just doesnt care about to spend the time and effort for that temporary hiccup.


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kinda sad the final update to the g 3 4 5 series . goodbye
snow lep is intel only
my g4 's all of them rocked
apple cut's the cord years too early

I wouldnt say that. Its not like Snow Leopard has much of anything that PPC users could have used anyway. The biggest loss seems to be Exchange support in Mail, but if they havent had it for years as it is then I dont think still not having it is that big of a deal. The inclusion really is more of a benefit for upcoming switchers. Grand Central Dispatch would be pointless for so few dual core G5s and there is debate over whether they could benefit from it the same way as Intel Core can. OpenCL would require GPU support, which isnt even in older GPUs for Intel-based Macs.

By the time Snow Leopard comes out the last PPC will have been off Apples main shelves for just over 3 years. That is sufficient, but that does not mean that Apple will stop supporting Leopard altogether. In fact, Security and other updates will still appear for at least a couple years. After all, Tiger still gets support. What is unknown is if Apple will continue point updates for Leopard even after Snow Leopard is released. I expect at least 10.5.9 to come after Snow Leopard, but not sure about any others. Either way, PPC users arent being left in the dust as dramatically as some make them out to be.
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Id like that, even if it had to do it slower than normal while actively using the machine. Eventually it wont be an issue so perhaps Apple just doesnt care about to spend the time and effort for that temporary hiccup.



I wouldnt say that. Its not like Snow Leopard has much of anything that PPC users could have used anyway. The biggest loss seems to be Exchange support in Mail, but if they havent had it for years as it is then I dont think still not having it is that big of a deal. The inclusion really is more of a benefit for upcoming switchers. Grand Central Dispatch would be pointless for so few dual core G5s and there is debate over whether they could benefit from it the same way as Intel Core can. OpenCL would require GPU support, which isnt even in older GPUs for Intel-based Macs.

By the time Snow Leopard comes out the last PPC will have been off Apples main shelves for just over 3 years. That is sufficient, but that does not mean that Apple will stop supporting Leopard altogether. In fact, Security and other updates will still appear for at least a couple years. After all, Tiger still gets support. What is unknown is if Apple will continue point updates for Leopard even after Snow Leopard is released. I expect at least 10.5.9 to come after Snow Leopard, but not sure about any others. Either way, PPC users arent being left in the dust as dramatically as some make them out to be.

APPLE stated that all support for non intel devices will cease with snow lep .

i have no idea what exactly that means ,I took it too mean that besides major bug fixes > this final update is IT >> as for OS non intel improvements . I own 5 non intel machines and my gray imac dv special from 99 still gets some app updates.

I may be wrong but i feel the g series should continue to get optimised and upgraded far into the future . They served us well .

maybe gran ppoh bah mel knows more
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post #98 of 132
I see 165mb
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I think there will be a few more "point" upgrades...certainly 9, possibly 10, doubtfully 11, positively not 12.

My guess is .9, but there will be security updates forever just because (as has been pointed out) it IS the last version to work on a PPC. They are still issuing security updates for 10.4 (because it was the last one that would run on a ≤800 MHz machine, of which there are TONS). Too many companies still rely on their trusty G4 towers. They invested money in them, and they still work well, plus they're the only ones without spending $2500+ that will hold more than one internal hard drive.

The G4 hit the sweet spot of Apple computers for businesses:
1) They weren't overly expensive (quite affordable, actually),
2) The PPC chips were stable and damn good,
3) They were expandable (multiple hard drives, new ethernet/port/graphics card slots, memory easy to get to),
4) No built-in monitor meant that you could use whichever one you wanted, and didn't need to go through expensive repair/replacement if a monitor failed,
5) Didn't get so hot they needed 7 internal fans and the power supplies didn't always get fried like the G5s,
6) Not as fragile as laptops, and were too heavy and bulky to "disappear,"
7) Did I mention multiple hard drives?
8) They are good, solid workhorses that run a good, solid operating system.

So, in short, the PPC support from Mac will have to continue for at least the 3 or 4 years.

3 or 4 years ? this is the last update for g-4
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post #100 of 132
Hi
My Macbook is running very slow after the upgrade. folders on desktop dont respond to double click, HD icon dont respond to double click.

safari and firefox both are very slow .

having problems with network connection both wireless and cable. the system is not saving the network settings. did a dick repair using disk utility and it made it worse.

anyone having such problems?

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post #101 of 132
I just wanted to voice a couple of thoughts about this update.

I ran this update through software update on both a MacBook Pro and a Mac Mini. The MacBook Pro updated perfectly with a single reboot. The Mini on the other hand was hosed.

It seemed to install fine on the Mini, and the Mini proceeded to reboot, and then reboot again. On the second reboot it was stuck on the Apple logo screen with the rotating gear. I did a hard reboot and ran in verbose mode.

It seems to be failing to connect with mDNSResponder. I don't know a lot about it, but I believe that it is used by Bonjour. Every time it fails it attempts to connect again. I'm sorry I couldn't get screen caps.

I performed an Archive and Install on the system and 55 minutes later everything is back up and running. I think I may hold off on this update for the Mini until the dust settles a bit.

As a side note, I noticed a new feature. If you do a restart and hold the Option key you get the boot choice menu, with an added twist. There's now a way to connect to a wireless network right there. I tried it out and it works fine. Not sure what it is supposed to be used for. The connection wasn't held over to the install. Maybe Snow Leopard will take advantage of it.
post #102 of 132
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Originally Posted by samurai1999 View Post

My God, I didn't know doing an update could be so traumatic!

- well, I did the update, through Software Update
- it seemed to work fine
- no problems
- and seems to have fixed the problems I was having with Airport.
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I think the issue for me was that Time Machine was connected and attempted to do a backup while upgrading through System Update. After disconnecting Time Machine, downloading the update from Apple's website, and then reinstalling that update, my system worked fine. My Time Machine drive was all sorts of screwed up afterwards. It would no longer back up anything. I had to format the drive and start over.

So I think my episode is an example of the importance of making sure peripherals, particularly Time Machine, are disconnected before running a system update.
post #103 of 132
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As a side note, I noticed a new feature. If you do a restart and hold the Option key you get the boot choice menu, with an added twist. There's now a way to connect to a wireless network right there. I tried it out and it works fine. Not sure what it is supposed to be used for. The connection wasn't held over to the install. Maybe Snow Leopard will take advantage of it.

So you can join a wireless network to get to a networked CD drive (ala the MacBook Air)?
post #104 of 132
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

kinda sad the final update to the g 3 4 5 series . goodbye
snow lep is intel only
my g4 's all of them rocked
apple cut's the cord years too early


Me thinks a 10.5.9 will arrive along side Snow Leopard. Two months is a long time away.
post #105 of 132
Meh - I ran system update, the updated downloaded and I let it install.

And that was it. It rebooted twice and all is well. That's on a Late 2008 MBP. I haven't updated the 12" PB G4 yet - will probably do it tonight the same way.

I will turn time machine off, though. That sounds like some good advice and I'm kind of surprised it doesn't get automatically suspended while software update is running. Seems like a pretty big oversight.
post #106 of 132
Will be doing the Update later tonight...I'm hoping this fix for not showing certain resolutionsin the Display pane in System Preferences will finally allow me to move back to a nice 16:10 resolution on my TV (Which is also my monitor) instead of the 4:3 I'm stuck using right now.

But I highly doubt I'm that lucky.

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post #107 of 132
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Well SOMEONE has to update as soon as it comes out.
If we all wait then it will never be tried and you would never install it!!
Think about it...

Of course someone will do it early. That doesn't mean that everyone should be a lemming about it.

It often seems to be the people who are the least knowledgeable and least prepared for problems who do it first. That's my concern. If I had a spare machine available as I usually do, I would update it quickly as well, but to do it on a machine used for everyday tasks is risky.

The question isn't whether some people will do it, and that we will benefit from their problems. The question is whether those people with problems have really found it to be useful for them.
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The term 'parasite' is something of a technical term in mathematical ecology it has the usual meaning but not the pejorative connotations. But the general point stands: if some don't go first no one can go second. Those who go second get to watch what happens to those who go first: in that sense they are parasitizing on them. That doesn't mean they are wrong.

But I agree with JeffDM: whether you go first or delay upgrading is a rational decision you should make depending on your current needs, whether you will risk an on-going project, etc.

And yes I upgraded, because I have a back up computer which I could turn to if things went pear-shaped. Mostly, however, I am risk-averse. My general point was just that everyone cannot be risk-averse.

That's true of course. but there are experts on the big Mac sites and others such as Ars Technica and AnandTech that do this after a couple of days, and people can check with their experiences as well.

When I had my company, I always had one machine set aside for software testing, and I would apply updates to that one first. Even here at home, most of the time I've had a spare machine to test first.

But why would someone who only has one machine, doesn't do backups, and isn't interested in checking out the best way to update, or upgrade, always seem to be the first to do this? They then seem surprised when they have a problem that they often can't back out if.

Truthfully, almost none of these people need to update so quickly. A few days wouldn't make a difference. There're not updating because they have to, but as one poster here said, for FUN.
post #109 of 132
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Hey, Mel. I used Software Update with no problems (single reboot, repaired permissions, snappy). But then I saw some of the posts from people having problems, so I then downloaded the Combo Updater and tried installing that just to be on the safe side problems (Finder started acting strange, sluggishness, etc.). Hard-rebooted into Safe Mode and ran the Combo Updater again. The Combo installer completed the install, but then after clicking on RESTART, the installer wouldn't quit. Hard-rebooted again (this time starting up from my rescue drive), ran Drive Genius, repaired permissions, restarted normally and now I seem to be up and running. Not sure what that was all about.

About the permissions though whenever I repair permissions, there's always a laundry list of permissions that "are such-n-such, but should be such-n-so" but Disk Utility never actually changes them no matter how many times I run the repair? Is that normal?

First of all, let me say that the large majority of people who just update from the Software Update panel have no problems. I want to be clear about that, and that is why Apple does it that way.

But, enough people do have problems from that, which is why even the people at Apple supply the combo updater.

I can't answer why you had a problem the second time. There are a host of reason.

As far as permissions goes. For most people with more that just a couple of programs and a printer, there will be lots of permissions. Many of them will be altered every time you run a repair, many won't. It's nothing to worry about.
post #110 of 132
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After the 10.5.8 update my iMac boots with display's brightness at maximum setting.

Someone else has this problem as well.

If it stays that way, try going into the monitors panel and adjusting the settings.
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Now why would Apple have "Software Update" if it is flawed as you state? I've never had a problem using it when it advises me that an update is available. However, I refuse to go seek out updates - that's when the problems usually arise IMHO.

Because it's a matter of percentages. Many millions of people go this route. The large majority have no problems. but that still leaves thousands who do.

The more complex your system is, the more likely you will have a problem.
post #112 of 132
Well I did it. It certainly is a bit Snappier. Didn't allow me to use my beloved 1680x1050 though. Ah well. Feels good to be up to date at least.

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post #113 of 132
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If it stays that way, try going into the monitors panel and adjusting the settings.

I've tried that. But after each reboot the brightness setting jumps to maximum. I've never had this issue prior to this update.
PS Actually, this is not a big problem because I rarely reboot my machine. But still, it shouldn't be doing that!
post #114 of 132
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Because it's a matter of percentages. Many millions of people go this route. The large majority have no problems. but that still leaves thousands who do.

The more complex your system is, the more likely you will have a problem.

It sounds here like many have problems with seeking out the combo installer just as much if not more so than software update. Oh well , we'll all be moving on to SL sooner than we know it. Thanks for clarifying to the readers about software update- ot soudned like you were recomending to bypass it.
post #115 of 132
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First of all, let me say that the large majority of people who just update from the Software Update panel have no problems. I want to be clear about that, and that is why Apple does it that way.

But, enough people do have problems from that, which is why even the people at Apple supply the combo updater.

I can't answer why you had a problem the second time. There are a host of reason.

As far as permissions goes. For most people with more that just a couple of programs and a printer, there will be lots of permissions. Many of them will be altered every time you run a repair, many won't. It's nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the explanations. The only "problem" I've ever had with Software Update was with 10.5.7 actually when it didn't replace the Energy Saver preference pane icon with the new bulb. I believed several people here had that same problem. Reapplying the update with the Combo Updater fixed the issue.

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After I installed 10.5.8 through software update, my screen resets to full brightness every time I restart. I have an iMac CD2 White Mid-2007. Anyone else having this issue right after the update?, I tried resetting the P-RAM but that doesn't work. Please help!

You posted this exact same statement word for word on other Mac forums across the net. Are you some kind of spammer?

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post #117 of 132
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I've tried that. But after each reboot the brightness setting jumps to maximum. I've never had this issue prior to this update.
PS Actually, this is not a big problem because I rarely reboot my machine. But still, it shouldn't be doing that!

No, it shouldn't.
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You posted this exact same statement word for word on other Mac forums across the net. Are you some kind of spammer?

Just someone with a problem that he hopes he can get help with.
post #119 of 132
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Just someone with a problem that he hopes he can get help with.

Thanks for explaining to him that some people just need help. I'm just sad this is happening to my iMac.
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I think the issue for me was that Time Machine was connected and attempted to do a backup while upgrading through System Update. After disconnecting Time Machine, downloading the update from Apple's website, and then reinstalling that update, my system worked fine. My Time Machine drive was all sorts of screwed up afterwards. It would no longer back up anything. I had to format the drive and start over.

So I think my episode is an example of the importance of making sure peripherals, particularly Time Machine, are disconnected before running a system update.

I've always turned off Time Machine during an OS update, and shut down any applications, and patiently see the update through to completion. After reading some of the posts in this thread, i plan to be even more conservative. A point I have not seen is using your admin account strictly for admin purposes (like OS updates) and doing everything else in standard user accounts.

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