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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Because such protection should be transparent. Clicking/beeping/freezing isn't.

Cheapo HP 6730b has so-called 3D Guard that does the same - parking HDD's heads when sudden movement is detected - but the only way to see that is to actually jerk notebook really quickly; if there was HDD activity at the time, you'll notice short "freeze" without any annoying audio alerts... but when using notebook on the desk/lap system doesn't interfere at all.

Lenovo and other brands have comparable solutions, and I am not aware any of them has such severe showing like MacBook.

If HP (and others) could do it on sub $1000 units, one would expect Apple can at least repeat same performance on premium product..?

You're right, it should be transparent, but it usually is. Apple has had their sudden motion sensor system standard in their notebooks for four years without problems until now. So far as we can tell, this only happens with one model of hard drive. As far as I can tell, it's actually a pretty simple fix and probably doesn't require a service call.
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Everyone:

sgginc was being sarcastic.
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SEAgate makes the only 7200 rpm drives .

SAMSUNG rocks


Your jesting right?

Sorry to disagree with you if your serious, but based upon my 20 something year experience with hard drives, Seagate is almost utter crap for hard drive quality and reliability. Slightly above Maxtor in quality.

All my Maxtor drives have failed, a few Seagates in Mac's unfortunatly, one WD and none of my Hitachi's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/24...r-ctrlaltdelpc


My 7,200 RPM Hitachi works like a charm, is quiet and dependable.
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Your jesting right?

Sorry to disagree with you if your serious, but based upon my 20 something year experience with hard drives, Seagate is almost utter crap for hard drive quality and reliability. Slightly above Maxtor in quality.

Huh. I find it amusing that you couldn't read that properly. He didn't say that Seagate rules.

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All my Maxtor drives have failed, a few Seagates in Mac's unfortunatly, one WD and none of my Hitachi's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/24...r-ctrlaltdelpc

My 7,200 RPM Hitachi works like a charm, is quiet and dependable.

I'd say I had a couple dozen Seagates, only one had died.

Hitachi's hard drive division wasn't always so sterling. You remember the DeathStar debacle? Same organization, though it was when that division had the IBM name.

I have to register in order to see the results of your linked poll. I really don't care enough to register just to see the results. Being only ten replies, I doubt its at all significant.
post #45 of 64
While they're at it, they might fix the annoying and noisy grind sound MacBooks make when they start up. For some reason, they think they need to access the SuperDrive every time.
post #46 of 64
Glad to hear a rumour of Apple taking my problem serious.

I had a 7200 Momentus-drive in my old macbook without any problem.

Bought a shiny new, 'cost me an arm and a leg' macbook pro, and 'click - bleep - hickup' clearly originating from the harddrive as it spins-up during that hickup. This is not the way it should be, but Apple Support said I should not believe forums, and my problem simply did not exist.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Your jesting right?

Sorry to disagree with you if your serious, but based upon my 20 something year experience with hard drives, Seagate is almost utter crap for hard drive quality and reliability. Slightly above Maxtor in quality.

All my Maxtor drives have failed, a few Seagates in Mac's unfortunatly, one WD and none of my Hitachi's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/24...r-ctrlaltdelpc


My 7,200 RPM Hitachi works like a charm, is quiet and dependable.

i was joking


MOST drives go under 6 or 7 BRAND names but 3 companies produce most drives so who cares .

Every drive external i own has failed so far . i lost 1tb of home movies.
SO YOUR EXTERNAL DRIVE BUYING ADVICE IS NEEDED
I need 4 machines w/ total of 4 to 6 tb . 7200 rpm
firewire800 firewire400 interface .BEST QUALITY PRICE IS NO OBJECT





i never said i likes seagate
i like samsung internal; 500g 2.5" triple platter drive
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post #48 of 64
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While they're at it, they might fix the annoying and noisy grind sound MacBooks make when they start up. For some reason, they think they need to access the SuperDrive every time.

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Originally Posted by radiognome View Post

Glad to hear a rumour of Apple taking my problem serious.

I had a 7200 Momentus-drive in my old macbook without any problem.

Bought a shiny new, 'cost me an arm and a leg' macbook pro, and 'click - bleep - hickup' clearly originating from the harddrive as it spins-up during that hickup. This is not the way it should be, but Apple Support said I should not believe forums, and my problem simply did not exist.

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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

You're right, it should be transparent, but it usually is. Apple has had their sudden motion sensor system standard in their notebooks for four years without problems until now. So far as we can tell, this only happens with one model of hard drive. As far as I can tell, it's actually a pretty simple fix and probably doesn't require a service call.


Apple has told me directly it is a firm ware issue for now and will be addressed soonest.
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Every drive external i own has failed so far . i lost 1tb of home movies.
SO YOUR EXTERNAL DRIVE BUYING ADVICE IS NEEDED
I need 4 machines w/ total of 4 to 6 tb . 7200 rpm
firewire800 firewire400 interface .BEST QUALITY PRICE IS NO OBJECT

How about a Drobo? The only complaint that I have against it is that it's not that fast, 30MB/s seems to be the fastest the base Drobo can go, at least with the drives that I have (a 400GB 7200 is the weakest drive in mine). But you're not likely to lose data if a drive fails, it automatically builds a redundant drive for you. And you can network share it instead of needing an extra data drive at every computer.
post #50 of 64
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

i was joking


MOST drives go under 6 or 7 BRAND names but 3 companies produce most drives so who cares .

Every drive external i own has failed so far . i lost 1tb of home movies.
SO YOUR EXTERNAL DRIVE BUYING ADVICE IS NEEDED
I need 4 machines w/ total of 4 to 6 tb . 7200 rpm
firewire800 firewire400 interface .BEST QUALITY PRICE IS NO OBJECT





i never said i likes seagate
i like samsung internal; 500g 2.5" triple platter drive


You don't back up your drives?

RAID.
post #51 of 64
I have a Seagate HDD 7,200 rpm 500GB which I installed personally on my MBP 17" (4,1 pre-unibody)

Works like a charm, no noises or anything. I installed all on my own, and completely re-installed the whole OS. Didn't migrate or clone my previous 250 HDD. I installed everything again. As said, never had any problems with it making noise (not even during wake-up or something).

Maybe it's a slightly different model? But I remember it having this "useless for Macs" G protection feature, so it might be the same you are all talking about.

Maybe just luck?
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

i was right
the 500g model 7200 is seagate only
>>>>>>>
Jeff how can i tell if my seagate is the bad one ??

Hey Bruce,

What you originally stated was that Seagate makes the ONLY 7200 RPm drive. You did not specify that you were speaking of the 500GB size only.
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post #54 of 64
Has Apple ever explained why the hell they are shipping drives with G-Force protection in the first place?
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You don't back up your drives?

RAID.

Yes and they died .
How does raid work ?
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Hey Bruce,

What you originally stated was that Seagate makes the ONLY 7200 RPm drive. You did not specify that you were speaking of the 500GB size only.

I know.
i still felt stupid until jeff saved my poor name .

I am just glad we cleared all this up .

thank you dude
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How about a Drobo? The only complaint that I have against it is that it's not that fast, 30MB/s seems to be the fastest the base Drobo can go, at least with the drives that I have (a 400GB 7200 is the weakest drive in mine). But you're not likely to lose data if a drive fails, it automatically builds a redundant drive for you. And you can network share it instead of needing an extra data drive at every computer.

I still have 75 >> 30 minute DV tapes so i can re built my family video memory. And then will burn fast dvd;s and bury them with the DV TAPES SO when my sons grow up they can make there own movies .

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I think jeff I should divvie all my info into 2 drives LEAVING AT least 40 percent free space in each drive .

And then buy the same two drives again to back up those drives.

I might need to go to 4 tb i duuno yet .

What is considered a great high transfer speed FW 800/400 drive?

Thanks for all the help.
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Dear mister cutter .

back off dude
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I still have 75 >> 30 minute DV tapes so i can re built my family video memory. And then will burn fast dvd;s and bury them with the DV TAPES SO when my sons grow up they can make there own movies .

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I think jeff I should divvie all my info into 2 drives LEAVING AT least 40 percent free space in each drive .

And then buy the same two drives again to back up those drives.

I might need to go to 4 tb i duuno yet .

What is considered a great high transfer speed FW 800/400 drive?

Thanks for all the help.

DV is 3MB per second. Unless you're layering several streams, it's hard to find a hard drive that can't keep up. I think 30MB/s of actual data transfer is pretty good for a FW400 drive, 60MB/s is about right for a FW800 drive.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

You're right, it should be transparent, but it usually is. Apple has had their sudden motion sensor system standard in their notebooks for four years without problems until now. So far as we can tell, this only happens with one model of hard drive. As far as I can tell, it's actually a pretty simple fix and probably doesn't require a service call.

I am actually not upset with Apple; things like that happen. My HP notebook - one of the first from HP with Centrino 2 platform - was dropping wireless on occasion. Only reboot was helping, but since it was happening (for me) not more than 2x a month, it was reasonably easy to live with... until HP released new drivers and fixed problem 3 or 4 months later.

As soon as my wireless dropped 2nd time, I have logged support call with HP and was checking on them very frequently until solution was out. I don't know if that has helped forcing them to fix problem any quicker, but it certainly hasn't done any damage. If no one with the same issue complained, who knows when would problem be fixed?

So I am a bit upset with people willing to accept every crap as long as it comes from beloved brand. Brand loyalty is OK - most people are loyal to the brand they have good experience with - but such vassal blindness isn't. Crap does happen, but if someone wants more money from me in the future, I'll expect them to fix crap a.s.a.p rather than listening to their excuses - or, even worst, making excuses for them!
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Dear mister cutter .

back off dude

already got banned.
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Yes and they died .
How does raid work ?

Most common (for home users) RAID1 is mirroring 2 drives. Basically you have 2 identical drives, exactly same data stored on both, but your system sees them as single drive.

You loose capacity (if you have 2x 1TB drive, your system will see and use it as only 1TB) but you get redundancy - one drive dies, your system is still up and running from the other drive. You replace dead drive and system rebuilds RAID (copies everything from healthy hard drive to a new one).

You can still loose your data in case of some huge disaster (power spike burns both of your drives together with rest of your system) but realistically you are pretty safe - chance of both drives passing away together is slim. Of course if one dies you'll have to replace it as soon as possible to reduce risk.

But I'm not sure if any Mac short of Mac Pro can do 2 drives..?
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But I'm not sure if any Mac short of Mac Pro can do 2 drives..?

Doing RAID 1 on two external drives is done exactly the same way, I've done RAID 1 on both internals pairs and external pairs.

But if the first external drive is already a backup, RAID 1 isn't really doing you much better, ideally, a second backup really should be a drive that's off site except for a weekly backup so any disasters hopefully don't kill all your data and all your backups.
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