[quote]<strong>That's true but do you really believe that the rednecks and hardcore republicans on this site will see the light?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I quote David Banner:
"You. . . don't want to see me. . when I'm angry."
[quote]<strong>Terrorism was never so bad until 6000 of "our own" died.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is ridiculous. Did you sleep through the 70s are do you just not remember them? At least *act* like you know something about what happened before September 10th, 2001.
[quote]<strong>That has always been the way. You didn't come in to WWI until that was almost over.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're damn right we did. There was no reason for us to. Hell, it might have been wisest for us to never have even helped out at all in WWI.
[quote]<strong>Not in to WWII until Japan attacked.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What grounds would we have had for participation at that point?
Wouldn't it have been unilateral and further evidence of us being the world bully?
[quote]<strong>Vietnam and Korea was to eradicate the world of the evil called Communism.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah. . . Vietnam was not the brightest thing we've ever done and quite possible the biggest cluster**** in American history, but in case you haven't been paying attention Communist regimes were quite evil.
[quote]<strong>Grenada was pretty much the same thing but smaller schaled</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think anyone really knows what that was all about even today. Something about an embassy and mean people. Stupid gov't thrown in for good measure.
[quote]<strong> and then there was the gulf war were Iraq was never mentioned until they threatened our oil supply.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1) Analyze it. Why was our oil supply threatened?
2) They invaded a sovreign nation. That's not how we do things in the U.N. world. You get slapped for doing that.
[quote]<strong>All wars have always been for selfish reasons.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, the same reasons that we take 99.99% of our actions as human beings. Gandhi was selfish.
There is virtue in selfishness.
[quote]<strong>The U.S is no better or worse in that than anyone else.</strong><hr></blockquote>
U.S. is just as bad as. . . the Khmer Rouge? Nazi Germany? Soviet Russia?
You don't think things through very well.
[quote]<strong>The problem is that they make it out to be for a just cause to make it look that this war is a good one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So our involvement in World War II was morally equivocal to our involvement in Vietnam?
There are no degrees, eh, only black and white?
[quote]<strong>That is what sickens me. No war is good.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ooooh sanctimony, I like it.
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