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Poll Results: Which is the following is FALSE?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 13% (6)
    The Veteran hospital (VA) is government-run and the best care in the USA
  • 8% (4)
    Canadians love their government-run healthcare system
  • 11% (5)
    Basic healthcare is a recognized right for citizens in most developed countries
  • 13% (6)
    The Obama proposed reform will not add to the overall deficit
  • 11% (5)
    The Obama proposed plan puts evidence-based medicine ahead of financial incentives for doctors
  • 4% (2)
    Many GOP and Blue Dog Dems have been bought by health insurance and big pharma
  • 6% (3)
    The inclusion of professional assistance for counseling terminally ill is humane and necesary
  • 13% (6)
    Disruption of town-hall meetings was orchestrated by health insurance companies and big pharma
  • 6% (3)
    Special interest (insurance and big pharma) spends $1.2 million + a DAY to defeat healthcare reform
  • 11% (5)
    The GOP is going everything in their power to block legislation and thwart 70% of the population
45 Total Votes  
post #81 of 140
8/15/09 at 4:30pm
Oink, oink!

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post #82 of 140
8/16/09 at 8:26am
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The problem with wrestling with a pig is you look silly rolling in slop, and the pig enjoys it.

Well now I have to address something else. This Ad-Hom.

Which by my account 2 people participated in.

Originally posted by jazzguru :
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Oink, oink!

You know what's really funny here is that now that conservatives are basically not controlling things and are so marginalized they feel they need to make a loud noise and insult in order to make up for the lack of numbers or relevance.
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post #83 of 140
8/16/09 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by jimmac View Post

Well now I have to address something else. This Ad-Hom.

Which by my account 2 people participated in.

Originally posted by jazzguru :


You know what's really funny here is that now that conservatives are basically not controlling things and are so marginalized they feel they need to make a loud noise and insult in order to make up for the lack of numbers or relevance.



We're so marginalized that Obama's popularity is plummeting faster than Carter's.

We're so marginalized that Obama will not be able to get his socialist health plan passed.

We're so marginalized that the Democrats are going out of our way to try to make everyone think we're marginalized.

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post #84 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:02am
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We're so marginalized that Obama's popularity is plummeting faster than Carter's.

We're so marginalized that Obama will not be able to get his socialist health plan passed.

We're so marginalized that the Democrats are going out of our way to try to make everyone think we're marginalized.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Is this true?

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We're so marginalized that Obama's popularity is plummeting faster than Carter's.

No.

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We're so marginalized that Obama will not be able to get his socialist health plan passed.

More than conservatives were doubtful about this so don't pat yourself on the back too much.

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We're so marginalized that the Democrats are going out of our way to try to make everyone think we're marginalized

We don't have to do that. You guys are pointing that out by your actions.

If you can prove any of your claims here feel free to do so. Otherwise enjoy your irrelevance.
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post #85 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:07am
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Is this true?



No.



More than conservatives were doubtful about this so don't pat yourself on the back too much.



We don't have to do that. You guys are pointing that out by your actions.

If you can prove any of your claims here feel free to do so. Otherwise enjoy your irrelevance.

Nah. I'll just say I've already done that, imply you don't know how to read, and include a lot of smilies. \

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post #86 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:11am
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Nah. I'll just say I've already done that, imply you don't know how to read, and include a lot of smilies. \

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Nah. I'll just say I've already done that

When?

What you're trying to make reference to is not the same thing when someone catches you with your pants down and no facts ( which is where this all started ).


For most here I will try only once to explain backed by facts. If they don't accept that it's not my fault.

However maginalized people who have just lost their grip on the goverment would do stuff like this because quite frankly what else do they have?

So prove your claims. Otherwise you prove your marginaliization and irrelevance.
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post #87 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:15am
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When?

What you're trying to make reference to is not the same thing when someone catches you with your pants down and no facts ( which is where this all started ).


For most here I will try only once to explain backed by facts. If they don't accept that it's not my fault.

However maginalized people who have just lost their grip on the goverment would do stuff like this because quite frankly what else do they have?

So prove your claims. Otherwise you prove your marginalization and irrelevance.

Keep on playing that fiddle, Nero.

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post #88 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:15am
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Keep on playing that fiddle, Nero.

In other words you've got nothing.

Thanks!

Now I've got to go. I've got real things to attend to.
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post #89 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:16am
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Nah. I'll just say I've already done that, imply you don't know how to read, and include a lot of smilies. \

I see Trumptman's had a lasting effect on you in each of his favorite tactics.

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post #90 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:21am
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In other words you've got nothing.

Thanks!

Now I've got to go. I've got real things to attend to.

As do I. Thanks for the laugh.

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post #91 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:22am
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I see Trumptman's had a lasting effect on you in each of his favorite tactics.

Yes. Because I am a mind-numbed robot.

You will be assimilated.

Resistance is futile.

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post #92 of 140
8/16/09 at 11:28am
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Yes. Because I am a mind-numbed robot.

You will be assimilated.

Resistance is futile.

Obey your gurujazz.

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post #93 of 140
8/16/09 at 7:44pm
Point of order:

The meaning of the "wrestling with a pig" phrase (or paraphrase, as it was used) is:
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Originally Posted by George Bernard Shaw

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

It's not an ad hom.
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Originally Posted by wictionary

wrestling with a pig: "To engage in a pointless task that leaves one worse off for having made an honest attempt."
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post #94 of 140
8/17/09 at 12:23pm
Conservatives outnumber liberals in nearly every state, but not in D.C.

Irrelevant and outnumbered, are we? Thanks to the radical policies of President Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress, the conservative movement is alive, well, and growing.

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post #95 of 140
8/17/09 at 2:24pm
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Conservatives outnumber liberals in nearly every state, but not in D.C.

Irrelevant and outnumbered, are we? Thanks to the radical policies of President Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress, the conservative movement is alive, well, and growing.

Funny how the states ranked highest for percentage of conservatives also rank lowest in quality of education, isn't it?
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post #96 of 140
8/17/09 at 5:00pm
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Funny how the states ranked highest for percentage of conservatives also rank lowest in quality of education, isn't it?

You know from jazzguru's list, I wander how those percentages really add up in terms of political views. Whether the conservatives are actually willing to pay higher taxes for improved schools, healthcare etc and on. I don't think those labels necessarily add up to the way we might imagine at first glance.

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post #97 of 140
8/17/09 at 5:46pm
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Funny how the states ranked highest for percentage of conservatives also rank lowest in quality of education, isn't it?

Actually, even if you had numbers to back that up, it does not prove anything as it pertains to the public school system and the correlation between liberalism vs conservatism in the communities. What matters is the curriculum and how it is presented and how the teachers are supported in their jobs. Anyone I have spoken with face to face are tired of throwing money at the schools, they want the problems solved, not buried under piles of cash that is perceived to be wasted. And they are conservatives generally. But I have a few liberal and moderate friends that feel the same way.

Seems more like you are just spitting in the wind.
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post #98 of 140
8/17/09 at 5:59pm
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Actually, even if you had numbers to back that up, it does not prove anything as it pertains to the public school system and the correlation between liberalism vs conservatism in the communities. What matters is the curriculum and how it is presented and how the teachers are supported in their jobs. Anyone I have spoken with face to face are tired of throwing money at the schools, they want the problems solved, not buried under piles of cash that is perceived to be wasted. And they are conservatives generally. But I have a few liberal and moderate friends that feel the same way.

Seems more like you are just spitting in the wind.

No way. The 'morans' who think the brain rot, are the real culprits "Destroying America" ie Palin lovers et al Joe Six Packs. They're the ones who are really "dragging America down". Death panels et al.

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post #99 of 140
8/17/09 at 10:10pm
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No way. The 'morans' who think the brain rot, are the real culprits "Destroying America" ie Palin lovers et al Joe Six Packs. They're the ones who are really "dragging America down". Death panels et al.

Well, while I would agree that that is part of the issue, there is plenty of that on both sides of the 2 parties. Solutions are there to be had, but the will to actually implement is what appears to be lacking. After all, the tough problems need tough solutions, fast "easy" fixes will only get you so far.
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post #100 of 140
8/18/09 at 6:55am
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Conservatives outnumber liberals in nearly every state, but not in D.C.

Irrelevant and outnumbered, are we? Thanks to the radical policies of President Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress, the conservative movement is alive, well, and growing.

The actual title of your poll is
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Political Ideology: "Conservative" Label Prevails in the South

which is what the poll is designed to show and not a big surprise.

If you doubt what I'm saying just look at the last 2 elections. Any thinking person realizes we're in a liberal part of the cycle. These cycles don't last just a year but several. In this case probably close to a decade. Because of the way conservatives have been for the last cycle and the natural tendancy toward a cyclic nature conservatives are more cloistered away than usual.
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post #101 of 140
8/18/09 at 6:56am
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The actual title of your article is which is not a big surprise.

If you doubt what I'm saying just look at the last 2 elections. Any thinking person realizes we're in a liberal part of the cycle. These cycles don't last just a year but several. In this case probably close to a decade.

The numbers speak for themselves.

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post #102 of 140
8/18/09 at 7:02am
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The numbers speak for themselves.

The results and cycle speaks for itself.

But since you claim to be 28 maybe you haven't seen much of the cycles before. You'll see them all your life.
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post #103 of 140
8/18/09 at 7:03am
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The results and cycle speaks for itself.

Indeed.

I think you're going to see a significant shift in Congress as soon as the 2010 elections, though.

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8/18/09 at 7:04am
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Indeed.

I think you're going to see a significant shift in Congress as soon as the 2010 elections, though.

Well....I hope the disappointment doesn't hit you too hard.
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post #105 of 140
8/18/09 at 8:31am
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Well....I hope the disappointment doesn't hit you too hard.

Oh I'll probably be disappointed, regardless. Many of them will probably be part of the GOP establishment, which no longer embodies true conservatism.

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post #106 of 140
8/19/09 at 8:18am
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Funny how the states ranked highest for percentage of conservatives also rank lowest in quality of education, isn't it?

Unfortunately "funny" is not really the word to use here, maybe "frightening" or "horrifying" is a little better.
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8/19/09 at 3:42pm
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Unfortunately "funny" is not really the word to use here, maybe "frightening" or "horrifying" is a little better.

Look at the "Smartest States in the US" rankings, and compare them with the Most/Least Conservative States:
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

The Top 10 Most Conservative States include Alabama (41st smartest), Mississippi (45th), Louisiana (44th), and Utah (38th).

The Top 10 Least Conservative States include Vermont (1st in the rankings), Massachusetts (2nd), Connecticut (3rd), and New Jersey (4th).
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8/19/09 at 4:05pm
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Actually, I'm pretty sure they are ALL false.

1. The Veteran hospital (VA) is government-run and the best care in the USA: Talk to people that go there. Not only is it not the best, it may be the worst.

Might not be the best, but it certainly isn't the worst, at least in my experience. I'm receiving care equal to that which I was getting at the UNC Chapel Hill Hospital I was using before I got into the VA system, with zero expenses. I even get free prescriptions mailed to home. Appointments can be a bother though with the influx of veterans from Enduring Freedom and Bush's Personal War® er, I mean Iraqi Freedom keeping the hospital busy.

Of course, I'm sure there are others with poor experiences.
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8/19/09 at 4:42pm
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Might not be the best, but it certainly isn't the worst, at least in my experience. I'm receiving care equal to that which I was getting at the UNC Chapel Hill Hospital I was using before I got into the VA system, with zero expenses. I even get free prescriptions mailed to home. Appointments can be a bother though with the influx of veterans from Enduring Freedom and Bush's Personal War® er, I mean Iraqi Freedom keeping the hospital busy.

Of course, I'm sure there are others with poor experiences.

That was what I had witnessed with my father as well. Not bad care, just not as responsive as it could have been. When he got the care, it was at the level of what anyone would consider quite acceptable.
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8/20/09 at 6:42am
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Look at the "Smartest States in the US" rankings, and compare them with the Most/Least Conservative States:
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

The Top 10 Most Conservative States include Alabama (41st smartest), Mississippi (45th), Louisiana (44th), and Utah (38th).

The Top 10 Least Conservative States include Vermont (1st in the rankings), Massachusetts (2nd), Connecticut (3rd), and New Jersey (4th).

See, conservatives are stupid! We have proof!
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post #111 of 140
8/20/09 at 6:50am
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See, conservatives are stupid! We have proof!

Apparently so.
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8/20/09 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by FormerLurker View Post

Look at the "Smartest States in the US" rankings, and compare them with the Most/Least Conservative States:
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

The Top 10 Most Conservative States include Alabama (41st smartest), Mississippi (45th), Louisiana (44th), and Utah (38th).

The Top 10 Least Conservative States include Vermont (1st in the rankings), Massachusetts (2nd), Connecticut (3rd), and New Jersey (4th).

Just more confirmation about what we all knew all along.
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8/20/09 at 2:49pm
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See, conservatives are stupid! We have proof!

We're not saying they're stupid. We're just saying they don't "think"!

Birth certificates? Hello!

Death panels? Eh hem.

Joe the Plumber? Enough said.
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8/20/09 at 3:18pm
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We're not saying they're stupid. We're just saying they don't "think"!

Birth certificates? Hello!

Death panels? Eh hem.

Joe the Plumber? Enough said.

Liberals can do no wrong.

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8/20/09 at 3:48pm
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Liberals can do no wrong.

Probably the worst riposte I've ever read.
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8/20/09 at 3:49pm
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Liberals can do no wrong.

I never said that.
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post #117 of 140
8/26/09 at 1:45pm
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8/26/09 at 2:48pm
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Most people have failed the test.

Including you it seems.
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8/26/09 at 3:07pm
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Including you it seems.

I designed the test and I have all the correct answers.
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8/26/09 at 8:12pm
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I designed the test and I have all the correct answers.

Seems like your test was a bit inaccurate in the premise then.
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