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When Office 2010 for Mac launches late next year, the software suite's program Entourage will be replaced by a brand new version of Outlook built from the ground up.

Eric Wilfrid, general manager of MacBU, Microsoft's Mac Business Unit, announced the new application during a conference call Thursday morning. Outlook will rely on a new database, sync with Microsoft Exchange, and be compatible with Outlook for Windows.

"Outlook will be a Cocoa application," Wilfrid said, citing the development layer of Mac OS X. "We're building on the most modern OS X framework to make Outlook beautiful, to make it high performance, and to make it well integrated with the operating system."

Outlook for Mac will also include information rights management with cross-platform support. The technology will allow users of Outlook on Mac and Windows to share confidential information on either platform. Features such as flagging messages, creating and accessing public folders and managed folders, and category sync will all be cross-platform as well.

The application will be a part of Office 2010 for Mac, which is expected to debut in time for the holidays next year. But in the meantime, Microsoft still has new products -- and an expansion of Entourage.

Microsoft also announced Thursday a new SKU called Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac Business Edition, launching Sept. 15. It will be sold alongside the current edition available for students, and aims to simplify the product lineup. The new business version will include Entourage Web Services Edition and Microsoft Document Connection for Mac.

"These two components help bsuinesses of all size connect to software and services and mange their businesses," Wilfrid said.



Customers who are on the latest version of Exchange Server can download Entourage Web Services Edition starting today. The feature is based on a new exchange protocol. It offers performance and reliability improvements, and also enables users to sync tasks, notes and categories. But the Entourage update is designed to help pave the way for Outlook for Mac next year.

"In the long view, entourage web services edition is a stepping stone to something bigger," he said.

Before then, Wilfrid said the new Office 2008 will be an asset to businesses. He said Microsoft has worked closely, in person, with its beta testers to meet their requirements. The new SKU will also include over 200 new templates and clip art to help businesses project a more professional image.

The suggested retail price for the new Business Edition is the same as the current Standard Edition, $399 for the full product and $239 to upgrade.

Last month, Microsoft released Service Pack 2 for Office 2008 for Mac, bringing improved stability, speed and new features.
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Why? Who needs it?
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Outlook was one of the factors that prompted me to leap from MS Windows to Macs and OSX. I have to use Outlook on a work PC and it just makes me appreciate Mail on my Mac when I'm at home.
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Why? Who needs it?

Good Question.
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who would voluntarily use this, unless it isn't mandatory i.e. work?
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One word. Exchange.
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Well, I work in a mostly M$ office. Entourage doesn't integrate well in our mostly Windows (Exchange) environment. For example, booking rooms for meetings doesn't work quite right. Plus, the IT team here struggles with assisting Entourage users. With a true Outlook option, more folks who prefer the Mac platform might be able to switch at the office.

Also, having the same name ("Outlook") for mail helps potential switchers feel more comfortable. Many users want to see familiar names on the software they're going to load on their new Mac when they get it home.
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I use Entourage heavily for work purposes and have no complaints whatsoever. I will surely be upgrading to Outlook for Mac once things are completed. While it isn't the best e-mail client, it is surely much better than Apple's client for seamless Exchange integration. I also tried using Snow Leopard's mail client for exchange integration, but it only syncs natively with Exchange 2007, which we aren't on. Apple Mail is just up to par for what I need at work. At home? Different story....it works great for home use.
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Shame they can't sell Word anymore!
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Well, I work in a mostly M$ office. Entourage doesn't integrate well in our mostly Windows (Exchange) environment. For example, booking rooms for meetings doesn't work quite right. Plus, the IT team here struggles with assisting Entourage users. With a true Outlook option, more folks who prefer the Mac platform might be able to switch at the office.

Also, having the same name ("Outlook") for mail helps potential switchers feel more comfortable. Many users want to see familiar names on the software they're going to load on their new Mac when they get it home.

is m$ encouraging people to switch to mac?
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..the IT fascists will allow employees to use Macs here at work. That would be a huge upgrade.
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I use Entourage all the time too. It's horrible in comparison with Outlook 2007 on the PC. But Entourage just pisses all over Apple Mail as an all-in-one communications and contacts manager application. The Exchange syncing is not perfect but it's the best we'll have until the next version of Office is released.

Thankfully Entourage is good enough for me to stay out of my VMware install of Windows 7 to run an Outlook 2007 for now.
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is m$ encouraging people to switch to mac?

I doubt it, but I think what they are trying to do is, if you swap to Mac, we can still provide the software that you know and understand. This is mostly for IT support/managers, who only know the windows environment and get a panic attack, when you speak about OSX, because they are native to it.

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Microsoft also announced Thursday a new SKU called Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac Business Edition, launching Sept. 15. It will be sold alongside the current edition available for students, and aims to simplify the product lineup.

I don't think Microsoft is capable of even pronouncing the words "simplify the product lineup" let alone accomplishing such a goal. How does one introduce a new SKU (with a year-old product name) to an existing group of products and claim that that somehow 'simplifies' things?
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Why? Who needs it?

The best thing about Outlook.... is the integration with calendars, notes, email and address book-all open on one screen and easily accessable. The problem is, as usual with an MS product, it is poorly implemented and clumsy.

The best thing about this news.... is it will force Apple to revise their 4 apps, Calendar, Mail, Notes, Address Book and "combine" them into one seamless application, ie., one screen where everything is there for inspection.

I've always thought Apple's individual apps were superior to anything MS has produced, but I never liked or understood having to open multiple apps and flipping between them to keep my day organized and current with ease!

Trust that Apple will implement it a lot better than MS ever would.
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Office 2010? Is this the first this has been announced, I thought we only got Office updates every 4 years?
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I use Entourage heavily for work purposes and have no complaints whatsoever. I will surely be upgrading to Outlook for Mac once things are completed. While it isn't the best e-mail client, it is surely much better than Apple's client for seamless Exchange integration. I also tried using Snow Leopard's mail client for exchange integration, but it only syncs natively with Exchange 2007, which we aren't on. Apple Mail is just up to par for what I need at work. At home? Different story....it works great for home use.

Is there any reason to believe this new Mac Outlook will work with older versions of Exchange Server like 2003?
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Why? Who needs it?

Anyone in the business world. This is good news, it means Macs can integrate better at a workplace.

Of course i'm sure many people will dislike it just because its from MS...
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Why? Who needs it?

People that are forced to use Windows only network environment. Thats about 90% of the planet. So no matter how much of a piece of crap these Microsoft products for Mac, you have to use it if you want a chance to use your Mac for anything else in those environment.
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Pretty savvy, actually. Steals that little bit of thunder from SL's upcoming Exchange support (though I believe that's included in the $29 upgrade, vs. the separate cost for Outlook/Office 2010).

"Who needs it?" You'd be surprised.

I'm just wanting to be able to manage my work emails from home without OWA (which isn't nearly as bad as it once was) and without running Parallels/Fusion and without schlepping my Windows work laptop back and forth everyday.

If this has PST/OST file support and Excel regains macro support as advertised, those would be the clincher for me. My guess is that they are going to sell a lot of copies of this and further solidify the Office cash cow as the defacto productivity suite in the minds of a lot of people.

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A cocoa version of outlook for mac?

Holy shit, Hell just froze over.
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Is there any reason to believe this new Mac Outlook will work with older versions of Exchange Server like 2003?

most likely since it's still in support. it will probably work with Exchange 2000 as well.

Exchange 2007 requires either Outlook 2007 or 2003 and higher. don't remember which though.
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A cocoa version of outlook for mac?

Holy shit, Hell just froze over.

It took only 10 years for MS to make a cocoa application.
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No matter how good Snow Leopard's support for Exchange is, unless Apple completely reworks iCal there will always be a market for Entourage or Outlook. If you've ever used either of these for anything more complex than scheduling little Jonny's soccer match, you know just how weak iCal is. Mail is good, Address Book is OK. I can deal with how to-dos are handled. But using iCal is just plain painful. If I was willing to spend the money to upgrade my Office to an Intel native version, I'd switch back to Entourage.

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If this has PST/OST file support and Excel regains macro support as advertised, those would be the clincher for me. My guess is that they are going to sell a lot of copies of this and further solidify the Office cash cow as the defacto productivity suite in the minds of a lot of people.

The problem with PST/OST files is that they are huge, monolithic databases similar to Entourage's. And that won't play well with Time Machine. Not a big deal for OST files if you are connecting to Exchange, because all your data will be safe on the server and you can simply exclude the OST file from Time Machine backups. But if non-server data (PSTs, POP, local calendars, etc) are in a single huge file, TM backups will be a pain.
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Is there any reason to believe this new Mac Outlook will work with older versions of Exchange Server like 2003?

I am quite sure they will, but we won't know for sure until the release day comes. I do expect them to drop Exchange 2000 and earlier version support before. Typically, they drop support for versions that are two behind. Regardless, I am eagerly anticipating Outlook 2010 for Mac. I am currently testing Outlook 2010 for Windows and it looks and runs great.....for a beta. I am using the on demand version.....
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This is a good move. I always wondered why MS chose a different name for Outlook on mac, but kept the other names the same. As long as it more compatible with existing systems, they'll do well. Office sold is money made for MS, regardless of OS. Apple has no software for sale on other platforms. Keep that in mind.
iWork only really works in a Mac environment. You can't port over your macros, and a lot of the design gets garbled or messed up when converting to Office. There are some nice effects done in Keynote that Powerpoint can't handle, and so mess up your presentation. Not great for a Mac-in-the-workplace flow. I can't tell you how many projects and presentations got messed up when I had to turn in a digital format to the instructor (and they wouldn't accept a .PDF or .MOV file) That or on the job, my presentation didn't look at all the way I wanted it to (forget embeded video!) Also, iWork is not as advanced as Office sadly. It looks nice, but that's about it. Great for students, not good in the work place.

But my big question is: When is OneNote going to come out for Mac? I would think it would be a popular app to bundle with a "student" version of Office, seeing how Apples are typically more popular with students.


I just wish that OpenOffice were a bit more ahead. They feel like they are at Office 2001 (between Office 97 and 2003).
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post #27 of 81
I can't see this as anything other than good news for everyone.

The perception of Microsoft support for Office on the Mac is at least as important as the reality. And who knows, come 2010, Mac Office might actually be worth owning, if they follow through on today's promised features AND put back the missing cross-platform macro/scripting capabilities.
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Ok, I'll give the MacBU credit for this - the article here on AI leaves out some of the details. Here's the official story from MS itself:

http://www.officeformac.com/blog/A-N...for-Mac-Office

They seem to be addressing Spotlight and Time Machine issues in the 2010 edition.
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Did we ask for these? Hasn't everyone moved to cell phones as their email client? How about an outlook client for cell phones, instead.
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The best thing about Outlook.... is the integration with calendars, notes, email and address book-all open on one screen and easily accessable. The problem is, as usual with an MS product, it is poorly implemented and clumsy.

The best thing about this news.... is it will force Apple to revise their 4 apps, Calendar, Mail, Notes, Address Book and "combine" them into one seamless application, ie., one screen where everything is there for inspection.

I've always thought Apple's individual apps were superior to anything MS has produced, but I never liked or understood having to open multiple apps and flipping between them to keep my day organized and current with ease!

Trust that Apple will implement it a lot better than MS ever would.

I like the separate apps as Apple makes them. They are very light-weight and well integrated. Entourage is (like you said), clumsy but it's also such a memory hog that using it is painful. I'm hoping the Exchange support in SL is enough to really make everything seamless for the Apple apps.
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I don't think Microsoft is capable of even pronouncing the words "simplify the product lineup" let alone accomplishing such a goal. How does one introduce a new SKU (with a year-old product name) to an existing group of products and claim that that somehow 'simplifies' things?

Currently there are 3 SKUs - Home & Student, Standard, and Standard + Special Media Edition. They'll be preserving the Home & Student edition when they add the new Business edition. Hence they will probably be obsoleting the other two previous editions.

So in the end, where there used to be 3 SKUs before the change, now there will be 2.
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I thought Microsoft would be looking to get out the Mac software market to cut off growth yet - Outlook and Exchange were two of the key reasons to stay on the Windows platform. If the Mac has great Outlook and Exchange compatibility then the tie to Windows is gone.

Why would this be:
[1] Revenue - the Mac is profitable for Microsoft, so why not?
[2] Standardization of Office in light of increased competition?

The relationship between Apple and Microsoft is fascinating. On the surface relations are frosty, yet Safari (Mac) is getting full support for Office Live, Apple writes software for Windows, yet has never shown any interest in working on other platforms (which would be a strategic move if they were bothered about killing Windows).

I suspect that Apple get on far better with Microsoft than Adobe.
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CSo in the end, where there used to be 3 SKUs before the change, now there will be 2.

Thanks - I also got that by checking the MacBU blog entry (which probably got posted after the AI article).
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I agree with Post #15 by christopher126. I am yet to upgrade to iPhone from Treo 700p that syncs with my Palm Desktop. I want to have my Palm Memos/Notes on my iPhone.

Given my present Entourage/2004 running on PB G4, I can't stomach the concept of THAT being the temporary replacement for my Treo 700p that syncs with my Palm Desktop somehow being replicated with iPhone...

2010 is a long time to wait for this Outlook replacing Entourage...

Syncing Notes is a MUST for me now... Attaching Contacts to Notes, Appointments etc. is possible now with PD, and Entourage, but not on Apple Apps...

Then there are Bento, Filemaker, Now Up To Date etc..., that can replicate some of the features of my present paradigm: Treo 700p that syncs with my Palm Desktop.

I'd love to know how others have dealt with a similar dilemma... I didn't get much help from Apple Store geniuses... They have a different mentality, more suited to consumers, light usage... And, I guess mine is more biz like...

But how will it play with iPhone etc? Will it be the same old Monkey In The Middle Game, where one is caught in the Blame Game between the Tech Support for both companies, never mind Apple Store, and has to rely on the Trickle Down Help from some Lists and or Forums, hoping that someone had a similar issue and feels like replying?

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I like the separate apps as Apple makes them. They are very light-weight and well integrated. Entourage is (like you said), clumsy but it's also such a memory hog that using it is painful. I'm hoping the Exchange support in SL is enough to really make everything seamless for the Apple apps.

The 4 apps are light-weight because they're very efficient, and lack some features of Entourage. If Apple were to combine these into one app, they'd be more efficient than running the 4 separate apps. The only reason you wouldn't want these to be one app is if you weren't going to be using some of them.

If Apple were to consolidate the apps into one, I'd consider using it, but for now, I prefer Entourage, and I'm looking forward to Outlook.
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Having the same name ("Outlook") for mail helps potential switchers feel more comfortable. Many users want to see familiar names on the software they're going to load on their new Mac when they get it home.

You can fix this today. Just rename Entourage to Outlook. Boom! Happy users.
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I don't suppose that MS will put VB back into Excel this time around? We almost bought 2008 until we found out about this 'minor' limitation with its 2004 Excel work around. Needless to say we stuck with 2004 for the time being - as for Entourage they can keep it!
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It took only 10 years for MS to make a cocoa application.

You got that right. I'm supposed to be excited because a year and a half from now using their Mac email client may not suck anymore?

Golly, I'll start marking the days on iCal.
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I don't suppose that MS will put VB back into Excel this time around? We almost bought 2008 until we found out about this 'minor' limitation with its 2004 Excel work around. Needless to say we stuck with 2004 for the time being - as for Entourage they can keep it!

They will but VB back into Excel. They have announced it already.
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