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post #41 of 72
8/19/09 at 7:43pm
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What doesn't work that I know of?
Safari AdBlock.

Run Safari in 32-bit mode and it will work. Same with other 32-bit Safari Plug-ins.
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post #42 of 72
8/20/09 at 10:17am
I'm not seeing this:



It still looks the old way for me. HERE:



I'm way ahead of ya:

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post #43 of 72
8/20/09 at 5:28pm
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I'm not seeing this:It still looks the old way for me. HERE:

In Safari goto Help > Installed Plug-Ins and see what version of Quicktime Plugin is installed.
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post #44 of 72
8/20/09 at 5:39pm
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I'm way ahead of ya:

I'm getting the updated overlay controls. Oddly enough, my About This Mac view is different from yours:

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post #45 of 72
8/20/09 at 5:46pm
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I'm getting the updated overlay controls. Oddly enough, my About This Mac view is different from yours:


Different in what way?

I'm seeing the new "black" boarder now, but still not on the Large Avatar trailer page (not HD). Let me know what boarder you see on this page guys.

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Also, how do you save a movie here?

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post #46 of 72
8/20/09 at 5:54pm
Emptying the trash and taking screen shots is super snappy now. It's not one bit sluggish, as it used be before. Nice.

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post #47 of 72
8/20/09 at 6:22pm
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Different in what way?

It's not. I was being a little sarcastic to highlight that I've got the same build. Probably not the best approach. Sorry about that.

But I'm seeing the correct QTX overlay controls, whereas you are not, so it might have something to do with your Quicktime configuration. Did you have a QT7 Pro license in 10.5? I believe 10.6 retains your QT7 install if you had a Pro license key associated with the install. I did not have a QT7 Pro key, so I got QTX by default, and it's taking control of playback as expected. I'm just guessing on that, though.

Either way, I disagree with your use of Quicktime playback controls to assert that 10A432 is not the Gold Master build, as the controls are showing up here just fine.
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post #48 of 72
8/20/09 at 9:38pm
So when did movies stop playing properly when minimised in the dock? I remember for one of the early OS X releases (possibly even 10.0) Steve made a big deal out of how a movie would continue to play while minimising and while in the dock. The advantage being that you could use the dock zoom effect and periodically check where the movie is at. As of Leopard I think the movie and sound will continue to play but the picture doesn't update. Maybe Leopard's new dock stuffed this up?
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post #49 of 72
8/21/09 at 7:33pm
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Did you have a QT7 Pro license in 10.5? I believe 10.6 retains your QT7 install if you had a Pro license key associated with the install. I did not have a QT7 Pro key, so I got QTX by default, and it's taking control of playback as expected. I'm just guessing on that, though.

We have a case Holmes! Great find.

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Either way, I disagree with your use of Quicktime playback controls to assert that 10A432 is not the Gold Master build, as the controls are showing up here just fine.

Even if I agreed with you, I still suspect a final build. Namely 10A435.

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post #50 of 72
8/22/09 at 11:41am
I think adoption of Snow Leopard will be slow being that Apple is leaving behind lots of PowerPC computers still in use. Lots of design and audio/visual shops aren't going to throw away all their PPC Macs just for Snow Leopard.
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post #51 of 72
8/22/09 at 12:50pm
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Even if I agreed with you, I still suspect a final build. Namely 10A435.

What makes you think that build 10A435 even exists??
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post #52 of 72
8/22/09 at 12:56pm
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What makes you think that build 10A435 even exists??
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I'm sorry if I'm being dense or dumb, but is this a real picture of a Mac running 10.6 build 10A587?
Or are you just making a point that reports of 10.6 build 10A435 could be faked and photoshopped?
20" Aluminum iMac (August 2007) - Snow Leopard 10.6.4
13" MacBook Pro (2.53 Ghz) - Snow Leopard 10.6.4
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20" Aluminum iMac (August 2007) - Snow Leopard 10.6.4
13" MacBook Pro (2.53 Ghz) - Snow Leopard 10.6.4
64 GB iPad Wifi
32 GB iPhone 3GS
8 GB iPhone (Original)
2 iPod Minis (Blue, 4GB)
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post #53 of 72
8/22/09 at 1:03pm
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I'm sorry if I'm being dense or dumb, but is this a real picture of a Mac running 10.6 build 10A587?
Or are you just making a point that reports of 10.6 build 10A435 could be faked and photoshopped?

Of course build 10A587 does NOT exist!! Furthermore, you don't need photoshop to do it! All you need to do is to go to System->Library->CoreServices open SystemVersion.plist and write anything you want.
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post #54 of 72
8/22/09 at 1:25pm
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We have a case Holmes! Great find.

No problem. You should be able to still install QTX or set it as the default media plugin for Safari, while still retaining your QT7 install. Why you'd want to retain QT7 is beyond me, but...

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Even if I agreed with you, I still suspect a final build. Namely 10A435.

Based on what evidence? There are no showstopper bugs in 10A432, at least none that I can find or have been reported, and the timeframe in which Apple has reportedly gone Gold Master with 10A432 fits with the general lead time necessary to manufacture Snow Leopard discs and deliver them to retail.

I had my doubts that 10A432 was the final build, but after giving it a whirl and seeing the retail confirmations that SL could be out as early as Aug 28... it's pretty obvious to me that this is the final build. That said, I'd expect 10.6.1 relatively quickly, as I'm sure there are features and fixes that didn't make the GM cut. For example, when viewing high resolution images in Preview, scrolling and panning is very jittery, as if Preview hasn't loaded or rendered the full image, only the viewable area. I didn't observe this behavior in 10.5. That needs to be smoothed out, but it's not worth delaying Gold Master for.

Also not worth delaying the Gold Master for is iTunes 9, which will probably debut in the iPod event this September. I'm hoping it has 64-bit support. iTunes could really benefit from it. (And a total rewrite. But I'll take what I can get.)
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post #55 of 72
8/22/09 at 1:59pm
10A435 seems to be a prank. My new guess is that is is anyway.

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post #56 of 72
8/22/09 at 2:02pm
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No problem. You should be able to still install QTX or set it as the default media plugin for Safari, while still retaining your QT7 install. Why you'd want to retain QT7 is beyond me, but..

Turns out you are wrong, I think. I looked into it. Could be many reasons really. I uninstalled Flip4Mac and Perian and still I see it for this one. Only this video however. For any other video I see the new embedded player control bar. Actually scrap that, any video on Apple's Trailer site with its own page is one of the only places I see the "old" controls.

On other random sites with an embedded quicktime movie, be it WMP or genuine QT, I see the new controls.

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post #57 of 72
8/22/09 at 3:59pm
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Turns out you are wrong, I think. I looked into it. Could be many reasons really. I uninstalled Flip4Mac and Perian and still I see it for this one. Only this video however. For any other video I see the new embedded player control bar. Actually scrap that, any video on Apple's Trailer site with its own page is one of the only places I see the "old" controls.

On other random sites with an embedded quicktime movie, be it WMP or genuine QT, I see the new controls.

Okay, I see the old controls on that trailer as well.

Looks like Apple's trailers site needs an update.
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post #58 of 72
8/22/09 at 4:43pm
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Okay, I see the old controls on that trailer as well.

Looks like Apple's trailers site needs an update.

It's not the site, it's a problem with the player itself. They are QT videos.

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post #59 of 72
8/23/09 at 1:36am
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No problem. You should be able to still install QTX or set it as the default media plugin for Safari, while still retaining your QT7 install. Why you'd want to retain QT7 is beyond me, but...

The reason to retain Quicktime 7 is that you can't do any proper editing with QTX, you can only trim the end points, which is pretty much useless. You can't export to various formats and the codec support isn't that good. It wouldn't even open a couple of H264 clips I tried, even though some other H264 clips opened.

If you have two clips open, you can't compare what times they are at when you playback simultaneously, no frame number display either.

I will be sticking with Quicktime 7. Quicktime X is made for touch screens.

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There are no showstopper bugs in 10A432, at least none that I can find or have been reported

I found a few big apps crashed - OpenGL ones, and the Finder crashed a few times. Menus would randomly not appear and not activate, no system prefs loaded properly, I had to launch each from the Finder.

The 10a432 I have doesn't feel ready but we'll see. The glitches may have been specific to my install. I'm not going to be an early adopter anyway.
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post #60 of 72
8/23/09 at 2:27am
Since the seeded Server is 433 I don't think that 432 is GM.

As far as I rememeber the to OS X edition have never been released with different build numbers.
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post #61 of 72
8/23/09 at 3:21pm
i've noticed that the Logitec Control Center for Mac logtiech products is not compatible with 10.6.

Wonder how long that will take.
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post #62 of 72
8/23/09 at 4:32pm
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i've noticed that the Logitec Control Center for Mac logtiech products is not compatible with 10.6.

Wonder how long that will take.

Guess, two months knowing that crowd.

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post #63 of 72
8/23/09 at 10:22pm
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i've noticed that the Logitec Control Center for Mac logtiech products is not compatible with 10.6.

Wonder how long that will take.

I havne't noticed any problems.
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post #64 of 72
8/24/09 at 5:15am
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I havne't noticed any problems.

meaning you can go to logitech's website, download and install it, with 10.6? I'd like proof as I doubt you could.

After installing 10.6, the Preference Pane for LCC was still there, but when opened, no Keyboard or Mouse were recognized (for customization). I removed and tried to re-install and was presented with the message that Logitech Control Center is not yet compatible with 10.6
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post #65 of 72
8/24/09 at 5:24am
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I think adoption of Snow Leopard will be slow being that Apple is leaving behind lots of PowerPC computers still in use. Lots of design and audio/visual shops aren't going to throw away all their PPC Macs just for Snow Leopard.

Many of those computers are not updated at all.

By the way, its 2009. The only place you are going to find masses of Apple computers are in the premium design labs at colleges and universities. None of those computers are more than 1-2 years old.

It doesn't work too well, when your students bring personal laptops in with more sophisticated and capable hardware/software than what's in the lab.
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post #66 of 72
8/24/09 at 5:42am
It's offficial! Snow Leopard shipping on 8/28 according to apple store! w00t!

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA...mco=NzgxMDc2NA
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post #67 of 72
8/24/09 at 8:06am
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meaning you can go to logitech's website, download and install it, with 10.6? I'd like proof as I doubt you could.

After installing 10.6, the Preference Pane for LCC was still there, but when opened, no Keyboard or Mouse were recognized (for customization). I removed and tried to re-install and was presented with the message that Logitech Control Center is not yet compatible with 10.6

I updated 10.5 and it's working fine - I havent' tried reinstalling, but the installer script might check the OS version.
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post #68 of 72
8/24/09 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

The reason to retain Quicktime 7 is that you can't do any proper editing with QTX, you can only trim the end points, which is pretty much useless.

Good thing Snow Leopard retains your QT7 Pro install, then.

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I found a few big apps crashed - OpenGL ones, and the Finder crashed a few times. Menus would randomly not appear and not activate, no system prefs loaded properly, I had to launch each from the Finder.

The 10a432 I have doesn't feel ready but we'll see. The glitches may have been specific to my install. I'm not going to be an early adopter anyway.

I would wager they're specific to your install. I've seen nothing to suggest that 10A432 is anything but the Gold Master, and the fact that SL is coming out on Friday tends to support that.

That said, I'm sure we'll see 10.6.1 before the end of September.
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post #69 of 72
8/25/09 at 4:10am
10.6 is running great on this 2' iMac.

The only downside so far is that menumeters hasn't been updated yet and refuses to run. The developer indicates that he's working on an update.

Other first impression: Wow, safari is ridiculously quick. It wasn't too long ago that we'd resize safari windows to test responsiveness. If its possible, resizing is even quicker than it was in 10.5

Edit: Oh, and list-based stacks are now responsive enough not to piss me off with every interaction. Even with folders of a few hundred items, they're instantaneous.
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post #70 of 72
8/25/09 at 4:24am
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meaning you can go to logitech's website, download and install it, with 10.6? I'd like proof as I doubt you could.

After installing 10.6, the Preference Pane for LCC was still there, but when opened, no Keyboard or Mouse were recognized (for customization). I removed and tried to re-install and was presented with the message that Logitech Control Center is not yet compatible with 10.6

Open the installed package by looking in the Contents. (right click and Show contents) Then find the actual installer. It bypasses the install block and i got it to install. One quirk was some Expose stuff didn't work but I mapped those to function keys and then assigned mouse buttons to those function keys as a workaround.
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post #71 of 72
8/26/09 at 12:55pm
Has anyone tried using Google Calendar with iCal?

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iCal sets up your Gmail and Yahoo! calendars automatically. Just type in your address and password, and iCal configures your calendars.

Link

Does it keep calendars in sync automatically and allow editing of all calendars from both iCal and online through google? This is a feature that I am looking forward to.

Google Sync uses exchange to keep google calendars in sync w/ my iPhone but the missing link is keeping iCal in sync. CalDav is close but doesn't work well with multiple calendars.
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post #72 of 72
8/26/09 at 10:41pm
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Google Sync uses exchange to keep google calendars in sync w/ my iPhone but the missing link is keeping iCal in sync. CalDav is close but doesn't work well with multiple calendars.

Still uses CalDAV
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