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Two studies released Tuesday show Apple's growing share of separate markets, with iTunes capturing 25 percent of all retail music sales, and Apple products representing 32 percent of Wi-Fi use.

Meraki Wi-Fi study

The first-ever census from network equipment manufacturer Meraki shows Apple's massive growth in the wireless device market. In the past year, the use of Apple devices on the company's networks has had a 221 percent increase, bolstered by new Wi-Fi devices like the iPod touch and iPhone.

While Apple held just 14 percent of the market share a year ago, the 2009 numbers show the hardware maker with 32 percent of the Wi-Fi capable devices observed. That success is undoubtedly driven by the popularity of the iPhone, which has been said to control most of the market for mobile Web use.

Year over year, the total number of Wi-Fi capable devices accessed grew significantly as well. In 2008, 149,687 total devices were seen, while a year later there were 41 percent more, hitting 211,190.

Compared to a year prior, the share of Intel devices dipped from 24 percent to 19 percent. Other hardware makers, too, lost share to Apple, with all other devices dropping from 62 percent to 49 percent. But Apple handset competitors Research in Motion and Nokia also saw their market share expand during the same frame. The BlackBerry maker controlled 8 percent of the Wi-Fi market in 2009, and Nokia took 2 percent.

"The growth in devices overall is impressive, but the growth for Apple, Nokia and RIM devices is stunning," said Sanjit Biswas, CEO and co-founder of Meraki. "It paints a vivid picture about how people now access the Internet, and the trends we can expect for years to come."



NPD: iTunes a quarter of U.S. music sales

New sales data from The NPD Group shows that Apple's iTunes has a 25 percent market share of U.S. music sales. That's well ahead of the number two overall seller of music, Walmart, which has 14 percent.

In all, online digital downloads make up 35 percent of music sales. In that category alone, iTunes is the undisputed leader, representing 69 percent of the market. The next closest seller is Amazon, which sells 8 percent of all paid downloads.

It's been a short road to the top for Apple, which just entered the top 10 music sellers in late 2005. In 2008, iTunes took the top spot, ousting Walmart.

CDs still take the lion's share, with 65 percent of overall sales. In that category, Walmart is the leader, selling 20 percent of the physical medium, followed by Best Buy (16 percent), Target (10 percent), and Amazon (10 percent).

"The growth of legal digital music downloads, and Apple's success in holding that market, has increased iTunes's overall strength in the retail music category," said Russ Crupnick, entertainment industry analyst for The NPD Group. "But the importance of the big box retailers shouldn't be dismissed, as long as the majority of music consumers continue to buy CDs."
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Good for Apple. I love seeing Walmart get pummeled.
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This doesn't seem to show the massive sales by RIM is to users that actually access the net from their smart phones via wi-fi ... or am I misinterpreting the data?
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This doesn't seem to show the massive sales by RIM is to users that actually access the net from their smart phones via wi-fi ... or am I misinterpreting the data?

RIM gained market share probably because more of their phones now have wifi as they are expanding out from their core business market
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I am not sure how to read the graph. Macs are Intel based, where do they fit in? Or are these not considered to be wireless devices?
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I wonder how much of that percentage is iPhone/iTouch users?
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So much for CDs becoming extinct. Who would have thought they would still hold 65 % at mid 2009?
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You crazy kids and your "digital downloads".
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So much for CDs becoming extinct. Who would have thought they would still hold 65 % at mid 2009?

I personally still prefer CDs to downloads. I like to have a tangible "original" copy.

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Who has ever said no one would use CD's by 2009?

Digital download sales are projected to over take CD sales next year. CD's have such a large installed base they are expected to continue to be in use for many years.

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So much for CDs becoming extinct. Who would have thought they would still hold 65 % at mid 2009?
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I don't know how much of a CD costs in the U.S, but here in Norway, a CD album is more than twice as expensive as the same album sold in iTunes store ( usually 199 kr vs 80 kr) so I expect iTunes store taking a larger portion here.
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I don't know how much of a CD costs in the U.S, but here in Norway, a CD album is more than twice as expensive as the same album sold in iTunes store ( usually 199 kr vs 80 kr) so I expect iTunes store taking a larger portion here.

I usually go to places that sell used CDs and get them for considerably less than they would cost brand new.

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I don't know how much of a CD costs in the U.S, but here in Norway, a CD album is more than twice as expensive as the same album sold in iTunes store ( usually 199 kr vs 80 kr) so I expect iTunes store taking a larger portion here.

Depending where you look, often iTunes is cheaper in Canada: 10 CND instead of 15 (for new releases)
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I am not sure how to read the graph. Macs are Intel based, where do they fit in? Or are these not considered to be wireless devices?

I think they mean using the Intel wireless chips. Apple doesn't use them at all that I recall, I remember seeing Broadcom, Aetheros (sp?) and other names instead. 10% is still a surprisingly low number, I expected that most computers would have Intel wireless chips in them. But then, I've never heard of this wireless manufacturer, Meraki. It's interesting information, I don't know if I would put weight behind it until I hear of thoughrough third party examination of the data and report.

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Who has ever said no one would use CD's by 2009?

Digital download sales are projected to over take CD sales next year. CD's have such a large installed base they are expected to continue to be in use for many years.

I don't think anyone said that no one said no one would use CDs by now, but there is a major difference between no one and 65%. As you said, there will be holdouts for a long time, but I think a lot of people expected downloads to outsell optical media like two years ago already.
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I am not sure how to read the graph. Macs are Intel based, where do they fit in? Or are these not considered to be wireless devices?

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Originally Posted by Meraki Press Release

The number of client devices, such as laptops and handheld devices, observed by the same set of Meraki access points grew dramatically by 41% from 149,687 devices in 2008 to 211,190 in 2009. The number of Apple devices observed, including laptops, iPhones and iPods, grew by an impressive 221%. Apple devices now represent 32% of all the devices seen by this set of Meraki networks in North America, compared to just 14% in 2008.

The stats include iPhones, iPods and MacBooks.
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Depending where you look, often iTunes is cheaper in Canada: 10 CND instead of 15 (for new releases)

The difference is rather minimal in North America compared to what we have and that's why I really hope Apple will bring movie rentals and TV shows to here.
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That can also depend on how you are looking at the numbers. Music sales are plummeting in general.

What is really happening is that CD sales are falling faster than digital downloads are growing. CD sales will fall past digital download sales. but digital downloads are not really making up for the loss.


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I don't think anyone said that no one said no one would use CDs by now, but there is a major difference between no one and 65%. As you said, there will be holdouts for a long time, but I think a lot of people expected downloads to outsell optical media like two years ago already.
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I personally still prefer CDs to downloads. I like to have a tangible "original" copy.

I'm the opposite. I keep CDs around as a backup, but will probably be dumping them in a landfill soon (there's no legal way to resell them considering I want to keep the electronic copy). I wish there was a viable way for me to do the same with my DVDs.
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I'm the opposite. I keep CDs around as a backup, but will probably be dumping them in a landfill soon (there's no legal way to resell them considering I want to keep the electronic copy). I wish there was a viable way for me to do the same with my DVDs.

Oh I have all my albums saved on my archaic MP3 player - a 30 GB Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra (which is essentially a laptop hard drive in a stainless steel case with a cheap LCD display and proprietary firmware).

But I take comfort in knowing that if my MP3 player goes kablooie or gets lost/stolen, I still have tangible copies of all my tunes. And there are times when I like to listen to my music in CD quality. I notice a difference.

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I wish there was a viable way for me to do the same with my DVDs.

Viable, yes. Legal, questionable. I back up my personal DVDs with Handbrake.
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I don't know how much of a CD costs in the U.S, but here in Norway, a CD album is more than twice as expensive as the same album sold in iTunes store ( usually 199 kr vs 80 kr) so I expect iTunes store taking a larger portion here.

you can get CD's for as low as $10 on amazon. new release stuff too, not ancient catalog CD's.
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Who has ever said no one would use CD's by 2009?

Digital download sales are projected to over take CD sales next year. CD's have such a large installed base they are expected to continue to be in use for many years.

?? The same digital nazis on here who proclaim that DVDs and Blu-ray and all physical media are dead and nobody wants them, that everything should be cyber, etc. etc.
I highly doubt that music downloads will jump over 15% percent next year after reading this news.
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Viable, yes. Legal, questionable. I back up my personal DVDs with Handbrake.

There- I caught you. Putting those things on your AppleTv takes hours and hours- doesn't it? And then you need an additional format for iPod and iPhone- how aggravating!
Just play them on your MacMini connected to your TV- very simple solution!
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There- I caught you. Putting those things on your AppleTv takes hours and hours- doesn't it? And then you need an additional format for iPod and iPhone- how aggravating!
Just play them on your MacMini connected to your TV- very simple solution!

Caught me what? I hvent bought a DVD in years and the term "back up" is exactly what it is, a backup. I'm not buying DVDs just to convert and play on the AppleTV. If I have a DVD to watch I will use the dusty DVD player I bought years ago. Your setup is fine for you and others, but it's not for EVERYONE. Frankly, I find your arrogence disheartening.
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Viable, yes. Legal, questionable. I back up my personal DVDs with Handbrake.

In the US, it's not legal that I know. I have no problem with the personal ripping, when the real legal problem is people distributing their rips.

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There- I caught you. Putting those things on your AppleTv takes hours and hours- doesn't it? And then you need an additional format for iPod and iPhone- how aggravating!
Just play them on your MacMini connected to your TV- very simple solution!

I didn't know anyone was playing gotcha.

As far as I know, you can just encode it to iPhone format at 848x480 and it will play on AppleTV. I do agree that it takes a long time, I've got enough crap to do that I don't need another interruption to deal with. I just play the DVD and be done with it.
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As far as I know, you can just encode it to iPhone format at 848x480 and it will play on AppleTV. I do agree that it takes a long time, I've got enough crap to do that I don't need another interruption to deal with. I just play the DVD and be done with it.

But if you want a good quality version you need to encode it to ATV format but then that is not backward compatible to iPod. IT'S a vicious circle of copies and copies. I hope quicktime Snow Leopard brings an end to all these versions that aren't compatible with each other- it's actually worse than physical media.
That's one of the main reasons i prefer to just play the disk. How come iTunes sells versions that play so smoothly on everything but this H.264 encoding ripping is such a nightmare?
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Caught me what? I hvent bought a DVD in years and the term "back up" is exactly what it is, a backup. I'm not buying DVDs just to convert and play on the AppleTV. If I have a DVD to watch I will use the dusty DVD player I bought years ago. Your setup is fine for you and others, but it's not for EVERYONE. Frankly, I find your arrogence disheartening.

I don't have arrogence. lol- You interpret me to have arrogance yet you keep telling me what you think EVERYONE wants?
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I don't have arrogence. lol- You interpret me to have arrogance yet you keep telling me what you think EVERYONE wants?

I'm telling you why I want, you're telling me that I should spend a lot more money on a less convenient solution. Last time I checked, I'm part of everyone, so yes you are arrogent to want everyone to do you would do.
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I personally still prefer CDs to downloads. I like to have a tangible "original" copy.

I agree, and CD's have a shelf-life in the order of 10x that of a HDD.
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I'm telling you why I want, you're telling me that I should spend a lot more money on a less convenient solution. Last time I checked, I'm part of everyone, so yes you are arrogent to want everyone to do you would do.

No- I told you to spend a lot less money on a less convenient solution or a reasonable amount of additional money for a far more infinitely convenient solution. Please don't misquote me or better yet fully comprehend what I write.
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I agree, and CD's have a shelf-life in the order of 10x that of a HDD.

Not only that- they sound noticeably better when played through good equipment.
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I'm the opposite. I keep CDs around as a backup, but will probably be dumping them in a landfill soon (there's no legal way to resell them considering I want to keep the electronic copy). I wish there was a viable way for me to do the same with my DVDs.

Uhm..."landfill"? I hope you're a time travellor from the 60's or something. But then you wouldn't know what a CD is...Why not DONATE them to the library rather than wastefully dumping them in the trash. Plus, it's very difficult to recycle CD's and DVD's. Heck, i would say about 10% of the music on my iTunes was "borrowed" from the library.
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Heck, i would say about 10% of the music on my iTunes was "borrowed" from the library.

Excellent - a new source for me to complete my collection. Thank you.
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25 percent ?

That's unbelievable.
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Caught me what? I hvent bought a DVD in years and the term "back up" is exactly what it is, a backup. I'm not buying DVDs just to convert and play on the AppleTV. If I have a DVD to watch I will use the dusty DVD player I bought years ago. Your setup is fine for you and others, but it's not for EVERYONE. Frankly, I find your arrogence disheartening.

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Elgato has a fairly inexpensive x.264 hardware encoding USB device for people who want to do faster conversions. When I buy a DVD or want to watch any of the plethora of DVD's I own on my MBP I have to rip it because the crappy authentication software forced on consumers fails abysmally and doesn't allow the purchased disk to play. So I strip the encryption so I can use Apple's DVD playing app which I find to be quite nifty (except for the CSS code which just plain fails). Also for TV series on DVD I've always ripped the episodes to disk because the invariably clumsy menu systems on DVD's are just plain painful to use.

So there are two cases where broken or badly engineered products are enhanced by the efforts of hackers. I'd be pleased if stuff just worked well but I'm grateful that such useful tools are available.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

That can also depend on how you are looking at the numbers. Music sales are plummeting in general.

What is really happening is that CD sales are falling faster than digital downloads are growing. CD sales will fall past digital download sales. but digital downloads are not really making up for the loss.

if you add in the pirated or stolen digital music then DL looms very large .
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I personally still prefer CDs to downloads. I like to have a tangible "original" copy.


what happened
was million's of us one morning awoke with 2000 cds on there ipod and there mac . and looked over at our cd collection and all that space seemed wasted.

i am stuffed to the gills with discs as it is ,boxing my cd collection was cool
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Elgato has a fairly inexpensive x.264 hardware encoding USB device for people who want to do faster conversions. When I buy a DVD or want to watch any of the plethora of DVD's I own on my MBP I have to rip it because the crappy authentication software forced on consumers fails abysmally and doesn't allow the purchased disk to play. So I strip the encryption so I can use Apple's DVD playing app which I find to be quite nifty (except for the CSS code which just plain fails).

Can you clarify that? I've never had this problem with Apple's DVD Player. I do wish they had some way to activate "Title Menu" and had better deinterlacing, but no CSS decoding errors.

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Also for TV series on DVD I've always ripped the episodes to disk because the invariably clumsy menu systems on DVD's are just plain painful to use.

I hadn't really had a major problem with DVD menus on movies or TV discs.
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Elgato has a fairly inexpensive x.264 hardware encoding USB device for people who want to do faster conversions. When I buy a DVD or want to watch any of the plethora of DVD's I own on my MBP I have to rip it because the crappy authentication software forced on consumers fails abysmally and doesn't allow the purchased disk to play. So I strip the encryption so I can use Apple's DVD playing app which I find to be quite nifty (except for the CSS code which just plain fails).

Please put the blame where it belongs. It's not the CSS encryption that's the problem. Either: a) Apple's DVD software is badly written and doesn't handle it properly, b) Your computer has a problem, c) you accidentally changed the region code for the MBP's DVD drive to something other than Region 1 or d) you're buying a bunch of import DVD's with region coding and don't realize that's the problem. Considering you're saying all your DVD's won't play, I'd have to say it's either b or c.

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Also for TV series on DVD I've always ripped the episodes to disk because the invariably clumsy menu systems on DVD's are just plain painful to use.

Exaggerate much? Or maybe you have the patience of a gnat.
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