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post #41 of 68
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

And both of them suck.

I've bought a few discs with digital copies now and almost all are just stupid marketing ploys that force you to go to the website of the media company that's ripping you off for the disc in the first place.

Even one of the ones I bought that had a second disk with the digital copy on it also required me to go to some stupid website to "authorise." The one movie I bought that had a plain old digital copy on the disc with no fussing around gave me a file that had no better quality than the average torrent download, but was at least twice the size of the average torrent download, and it wasn't even HD. It also stuttered when it played.

And which movies were those? I have a few Blu-Rays with digital copies, I just entered the code into iTunes, and it downloaded, I didn't have to go to any website.
post #42 of 68
We had a topic here a few weeks ago about dvd ripping. Since i own about 400 dvd's
Ifelt it would be nice to have the best of them on my macs . well the topic explained how to rip the dvd 's .
and it has one extra step that sucks ,but i set it up at night and most times its a dig file by morn .and with boots you just drop the files on your drive and hit play .

So weeks later i now have 45 digital movies for instant watching .I would love for a magic itunes convert button.
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post #43 of 68
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And which movies were those? I have a few Blu-Rays with digital copies, I just entered the code into iTunes, and it downloaded, I didn't have to go to any website.

He bought back to the future 3 and dumb and dumberer
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post #44 of 68
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There is actually something much more intuitive than itunes that does this. Its called CloneDVD/AnyDVD. Yea you have to do it in Windows, but its head and shoulders above anything else out there.

I completely agree, at least on the AnyDVD part. For the uninitiated, it's a driver that installs and transparently decrypts discs. It works on DVDs, Blu-ray, HD-DVD, CD-Audio, and more, and means you can simply drag the VIDEO_TS folder onto your hard drive -- or anything else you want. It not only handles basic CSS but also nearly every other method, including BS Plus. It's probably the most solid and frequently updated decryption software available.

Sadly, it's only for Windows, and even more sadly, it's both commercial and proprietary. I've been thinking about the possibility of a FUSE or kernel filesystem for Linux/*BSD that basically does the same thing, removing CSS and other annoyances before passing control to UDF. I of course have nowhere near the ability (or guts, to fight the DMCA, as I live in the USA) to do so, but it's nice to dream.
post #45 of 68
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Originally Posted by Messiah View Post

I would LOVE to be able to rip my DVDs to my hard disk!!!

Yeah, I know I can do it right now with Handbrake etc. - but I would love to be able to do it through something as intuitive as iTunes.

I would be able to save so much space if I could bin the physical media and dump all the ripped files onto my Drobo.

That is exactly what I did, but (shh...) I sold all the physical media on eBay and cleaned up!
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post #46 of 68
The advantage Apple would have in letting other devices sync through iTunes would be extracting a licensing fee from the makers of other devices. Apple would then broaden control of music distribution through the iTunes Store, and still earn money from other device makers. This situation is probably preferable for them then having a court case rule against them to open up the iTunes platform in a situation where they earn no royalties.

As to the DVD ripping, that might finally be an incentive to start buying DVDs again.
post #47 of 68
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Originally Posted by ianmac47 View Post

As to the DVD ripping, that might finally be an incentive to start buying DVDs again.

Which is a reason why Apple wouldnt want to spend money and time add that feature. They do have a digital download store to maintain and grow. Unless Apple has secured enough of the entire market to see a trend that cant be stopped from overtaking the PC and home theater (which doesnt seem possible at this time) there is no reason to offer such a service.
post #48 of 68
If they really go through with this I'd be hoping that they produce an advanced quicktime or mp4 with embeded audio tracks and subtitles, so that one could actually have the full DVD with all interactive elements but in a compressed format. Maybe that's part of Cocktail?
Also it makes sense Apple is trying to get movies into its devices other ways than with the iTunes Store. The majority of the world still can't buy movies on iTunes you know. So the AppleTV is pretty lame in most parts of the world.

Ripping a DVD is most likely gonna end up, as people here pointed out, as a protected mp4. And it can play on the users machines that are tied to its own iTunes account. Maximum 5 machines, right? The digital copy act will probably be logged to the iTunes account. It sounds reasonable enough.

A potential risk however could be that once the encryption happens ON THE MACHINE and not remotely on the iTunes server it probably won't be long til somebody breaks it.
post #49 of 68
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Originally Posted by palegolas View Post

A potential risk however could be that once the encryption happens ON THE MACHINE and not remotely on the iTunes server it probably won't be long til somebody breaks it.

As I understand it, the FairPlay DRM for iTS content is done in iTunes once the file has been pre-porcessed by the users machine. The servers are just sending the requested data, not doing the legwork for tailoring the encrypted file for each user account.
post #50 of 68
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

that law has existed in the US for years. pretty much since things like ipods were first released. the way the law is written you are supposed to own the CD and if you trash it, sell it, give it away, you delete the digital copy (no one ever does). and no allowing others to just copy your digital copy. which of course many folks do.

I looked and could not find that clause.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#114

Please share the URL, thanks.
post #51 of 68
I'd be more than surprised if the DVD copying rumor is even close to be true. The MPAA has tried to stop copying of any sort of the DVD standard, even protected managed copying. An old college buddy of mine just successfully argued the legal case for the MPAA against Realnetworks. If the MPAA was looking to do a deal with Apple, why prosecute Real for doing something similar?
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Which is a reason why Apple wouldnt want to spend money and time add that feature. They do have a digital download store to maintain and grow. Unless Apple has secured enough of the entire market to see a trend that cant be stopped from overtaking the PC and home theater (which doesnt seem possible at this time) there is no reason to offer such a service.

A really good way to grow their digital video download service is to sell more AppleTVs so people can watch the movies on their TV. To sell more AppleTVs they need to make it a more attractive option to justify the upfront hardware cost. They do that by making it capable of playing the DVDs you already own.

The iPod might have very well been a failure if you couldn't rip your CDs to play the music you already owned. It was only once there was a critical mass of iPod before iTunes music sales really took off. I think Apple has been short-sighted with the AppleTV by going straight for the forced iTunes sales for content rather than trying to first build a critical mass of hardware like they did with the iPod.
post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Which is a reason why Apple wouldn’t want to spend money and time add that feature. They do have a digital download store to maintain and grow. Unless Apple has secured enough of the entire market to see a trend that can’t be stopped from overtaking the PC and home theater (which doesn’t seem possible at this time) there is no reason to offer such a service.

there is a long list of $20 - $30 apps on the internet that will rip any protected DVD, bypass the DRM and make the file iphone compatible in one step. buying music on the internet is one thing, people prefer DVD's to ITunes because DVD players are cheap. you can already get cheap blu-ray players for less than $200
post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

A really good way to grow their digital video download service is to sell more AppleTVs so people can watch the movies on their TV. To sell more AppleTVs they need to make it a more attractive option to justify the upfront hardware cost. They do that by making it capable of playing the DVDs you already own.

The iPod might have very well been a failure if you couldn't rip your CDs to play the music you already owned. It was only once there was a critical mass of iPod before iTunes music sales really took off. I think Apple has been short-sighted with the AppleTV by going straight for the forced iTunes sales for content rather than trying to first build a critical mass of hardware like they did with the iPod.

The ATV seems to be neglected by Apple and if nothing is done, it's soon going to be forgotten...
post #55 of 68
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Originally Posted by CU10 View Post

I looked and could not find that clause.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#114

Please share the URL, thanks.

Thnaks for that.
post #56 of 68
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

<sarcasm> Sure, I *love* to pay 40 or 50 bucks for something that's only worth ten and then be forced to watch advertisements before I watch the movie and then be forced to go to a website to view more advertisements and promotions before I get my digital copy. </sarcasm>

Where the heck are you buying DVD's for $40 to $50 for? Sarcasm is more effective if it's at least realistic.

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Even one of the ones I bought that had a second disk with the digital copy on it also required me to go to some stupid website to "authorise."

Weird, the "stupid" place every digital copy I have required me to go was iTunes. That's the ONLY way an iTunes copy can work is to associate it with your iTunes. Again, if you're going to make stuff up, at least let it be realistic.

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The one movie I bought that had a plain old digital copy on the disc with no fussing around gave me a file that had no better quality than the average torrent download, but was at least twice the size of the average torrent download, and it wasn't even HD. It also stuttered when it played.

Why would a DVD include an HD version of a movie anyway? Digital copies are intended for portable media players and since there's no (mainstream) PMP capable of playing even 720p HD content, an HD copy would sort of be a waste. As for the stuttering, sounds like either your computer or PMP sucks.

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What most people want in terms of a physical disc is the ability to move the movie off the disc onto their computer for archiving and their portable devices or TVs for watching, also without DRM.

Sorry, but I think you're way on that assertion. I doubt the vast majority of the public gives a crap about doing anything with the disc other than putting it in their player and having it play. Which already works quite well. It's mostly only geeks on tech websites that really give a crap about digital copies. And as one of those geeks, I don't give a crap about digital copies.
post #57 of 68
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Sorry, but I think you're way on that assertion. I doubt the vast majority of the public gives a crap about doing anything with the disc other than putting it in their player and having it play. Which already works quite well. It's mostly only geeks on tech websites that really give a crap about digital copies. And as one of those geeks, I don't give a crap about digital copies.

Well if you are one of the millions of buisness travelers
having 10 or 15 top movies available can be a godsend on a long boring trip .
and at night in the hotel room you can also play your movie's .
So digital copies have a place right now instead of dozens of discs being carried around.

That why the MBA is such a hit . Reducing all the junk and weight we carry on longs trips makes good sence .

And we can also stop the pirates at the same time .
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post #58 of 68
personally, i think it's crazy that iTunes doesn't allow you to rip your own movies. This should have happened when they first released the Apple TV for sale, and is probably why the sales aren't through the roof right now. Yes, i know you can rip movies other ways, but i'm married to iTunes and not inclined to spend hours to do something that should already be available on iTunes.

my other beef with the iTunes store is that you can't instant watch TV for free (at least the shows that are on free broadcasting networks, and that you can already watch on HULU with commercials). You can't even RENT a TV show! That's a good way for people not to come back to the iTunes store. I have no problems with HBO/Skinomax/Showtime TV shows with a "BUY" or god-forbid "RENT" button. But if NBC and HULU broadcasts their shows (with commercials) on their websites (for free), why can't iTunes?
post #59 of 68
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personally, i think it's crazy that iTunes doesn't allow you to rip your own movies. This should have happened when they first released the Apple TV for sale, and is probably why the sales aren't through the roof right now. Yes, i know you can rip movies other ways, but i'm married to iTunes and not inclined to spend hours to do something that should already be available on iTunes.

my other beef with the iTunes store is that you can't instant watch TV for free (at least the shows that are on free broadcasting networks, and that you can already watch on HULU with commercials). You can't even RENT a TV show! That's a good way for people not to come back to the iTunes store. I have no problems with HBO/Skinomax/Showtime TV shows with a "BUY" or god-forbid "RENT" button. But if NBC and HULU broadcasts their shows (with commercials) on their websites (for free), why can't iTunes?

This isnt iTunes fault. Apple oddly announced the AppleTV 6 months before they did a proper demo of the device. It was far from ready and people speculate that they did it to show the MPAA that Apple was serious about pushing their content to the TV and had a secure way to it. Apparently the MPAA didnt bite because movies still didnt show up on the iTune Store for at least another year later. Put the blame on the people that are trying to prevent us from doing it. Hopefully Apple has shown them that customers can rip it for free with no DRM with other apps so having iTunes do it while adding FairPlay to the file is the best way to protect their content.
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

A really good way to grow their digital video download service is to sell more AppleTVs so people can watch the movies on their TV. To sell more AppleTVs they need to make it a more attractive option to justify the upfront hardware cost. They do that by making it capable of playing the DVDs you already own.

Blu-ray players and HD DVRs are pretty powerful machines and many of them have internet and home networking features. While the ones Ive seen arent very slick and surely dont connect to iTunes, I wonder if Apple might make go that route. Its fraught with issues, like Blu-ray and DVRs competing with Apples digital download service. On top of that, the content holders may not like Apple being able to record TV shows and might have that in a contract. They might be able to license the AppleTV OS, but I doubt they would do that.

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The iPod might have very well been a failure if you couldn't rip your CDs to play the music you already owned. It was only once there was a critical mass of iPod before iTunes music sales really took off. I think Apple has been short-sighted with the AppleTV by going straight for the forced iTunes sales for content rather than trying to first build a critical mass of hardware like they did with the iPod.

CDs are a different beast, the iTunes Store was created then and iTunes was only for Macs at the time. It would be great, no one denies that, but the RIAA and the MPAA are completely different animals. The AppleTV isnt great, but no media extender is. There was just too much flux in the where the technologies could go to make it a great product. Now things are much more set it place. Now its time for Apple to strike with a good product which makes me think that AppleTV Take3 with new hardware will hit in September.

I disagree with you about needing a bunch of different AppleTVs without content before including the iTunes Store. That is just a more expensive and convoluted situation with no way to win for Apple or the consumer. The first problem the AppleTV had was the lack of content. Now the content is finally there, and it was a slow hard battle for Apple according to all reports.


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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

there is a long list of $20 - $30 apps on the internet that will rip any protected DVD, bypass the DRM and make the file iphone compatible in one step. buying music on the internet is one thing, people prefer DVD's to ITunes because DVD players are cheap. you can already get cheap blu-ray players for less than $200

There are good free apps, too.
post #61 of 68
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

This isnt iTunes fault. Apple oddly announced the AppleTV 6 months before they did a proper demo of the device. It was far from ready and people speculate that they did it to show the MPAA that Apple was serious about pushing their content to the TV and had a secure way to it. Apparently the MPAA didnt bite because movies still didnt show up on the iTune Store for at least another year later. Put the blame on the people that are trying to prevent us from doing it. Hopefully Apple has shown them that customers can rip it for free with no DRM with other apps so having iTunes do it while adding FairPlay to the file is the best way to protect their content.

yeah, i was never blaming Apple. I just think it's an insane, crazy, ridiculous deal we have right now.
post #62 of 68
I think an easier option might be to just check that the inserted disc is a proper commercial disc with the right checksums and titles, likely dual layer etc and then allow a download of a digital version compressed by high quality software. I personally don't want to have to wait about half an hour for every DVD I have to convert and switch discs between.

I'd rather just insert the disc, have it verify that I own it and add it to a queue. Then I could download the 1GB or so movies in the background. You could get more than 5 overnight.

It's a good feature if Apple don't have the movie you own though. I don't see why they would be prevented from doing it if they encoded your machine ID or itunes account with your RIP and used DRM because if you uploaded them anywhere, you'd be caught and they wouldn't play anyway.
post #63 of 68
I wouldn't be surprised if something big in this area is going to happen with iTunes 9.

It seemed strange to me that iTunes 8/DVD Player/Front Row were all not migrated to 64-bit goodness in Snow Leopard...... I wonder if that's because they are all soon to be replaced with something new, like a 64bit iTunes 9 with DVD playback features(?), making these three 32bit apps redundant. Would make sense that Apple shifted the engineer emphasis to iTunes9 instead of spending time porting the old apps up to 64bit.

Might be wrong of course, but that would then just leave Grapher as the only 32bit app in Snow Leopard
post #64 of 68
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But if NBC and HULU broadcasts their shows (with commercials) on their websites (for free), why can't iTunes?

Because then you get into the whole mess of the content providers have to negotiate with Apple on how much of the ad revenue they will give Apple to cover their expenses for infrastructure and bandwidth. Hulu is probably a break-even business, at best, created by the content owners. Apple is a for-profit business and needs to have its costs + profit covered.

However, if the content providers were truly interested in this type of set-up, there is an easy and readily available solution. Podcasts. The NBC News and Meet the Press are a couple of examples of this. You can subscribe to the video podcasts so iTunes will automatically download the new episodes. Both of these programs include short commercials, but the commercials are short enough and few enough that it's not worth trying to fast forward through them, even though you technically could, so using DRM or streaming to force the viewer to watch the commercials really isn't necessary. Apple only has to provide the pointer in iTunes to the content which is hosted by the content provider on their own server.

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CDs are a different beast, the iTunes Store was created then and iTunes was only for Macs at the time. It would be great, no one denies that, but the RIAA and the MPAA are completely different animals. The AppleTV isnt great, but no media extender is. There was just too much flux in the where the technologies could go to make it a great product. Now things are much more set it place. Now its time for Apple to strike with a good product which makes me think that AppleTV Take3 with new hardware will hit in September.

I disagree with you about needing a bunch of different AppleTVs without content before including the iTunes Store. That is just a more expensive and convoluted situation with no way to win for Apple or the consumer. The first problem the AppleTV had was the lack of content. Now the content is finally there, and it was a slow hard battle for Apple according to all reports.

You may have misunderstood, or perhaps I wasn't clear. Yes, CDs are different beasts. That was my point. If CDs were like DVDs with DRM or something that prevented you from being able to rip the CDs you already owned, sales of iPods would have started off far, far, far more slowly than they did. The problem with the AppleTV isn't so much the hardware, it's the lack of content. If it played my DVDs, I would have bought one by now.

Also, I wasn't saying we "needed a bunch of different AppleTVs" One is fine thank you. But we need one with content, including the content I already have on DVDs. An AppleTV that played my DVDs (simply including a drive would do the trick) would be the Trojan horse to get it into my living room. Once it's there I can get a taste of downloaded movies, etc, and get addicted. But they have to get into my living room first, and that's a tough sell for a $200 upfront investment that can't even play my existing content.
post #65 of 68
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You may have misunderstood, or perhaps I wasn't clear. Yes, CDs are different beasts. That was my point. If CDs were like DVDs with DRM or something that prevented you from being able to rip the CDs you already owned, sales of iPods would have started off far, far, far more slowly than they did. The problem with the AppleTV isn't so much the hardware, it's the lack of content. If it played my DVDs, I would have bought one by now.

Also, I wasn't saying we "needed a bunch of different AppleTVs" One is fine thank you. But we need one with content, including the content I already have on DVDs. An AppleTV that played my DVDs (simply including a drive would do the trick) would be the Trojan horse to get it into my living room. Once it's there I can get a taste of downloaded movies, etc, and get addicted. But they have to get into my living room first, and that's a tough sell for a $200 upfront investment that can't even play my existing content.

Then I did misunderstand what you were getting at. The AppleTV came out at a dubious time. DVD was king (and is king still) but we had two HD optical formats coming into play. I personally dont use my DVD player much for my TV or my computers so it doesnt bother me not to have it, but I can see why some wanted the DVD player, others an HD-DVD player and yet others a Blu-ray player. In many ways that is now its simpler, just add a Blu-ray player. But its also harder now that digital downloads are getting popular. I dont think Blu-ray for every Mac makes sense but to help sell the AppleTV as the de facto media appliance I think Blu-ray would be ideal. While Blu-ray does compete with streaming media they are both still very different and offer different things to different people. Id rather rent a 720p movie from iTunes the moment I want it than have to run to the store or wait for Netflix to send it, but for some movies with a lot of cool special effects waiting for 1080p Blu-ray is worth it. My problem with Blu-ray really is the long wait. Wait to rent it, wait to load it, even sometimes wait for the next chapter to load while watching it. When that happens it can throw you out of the movie experience. Hopefully well see this hobby,placeholder become a proper leg of Apples business next month.
post #66 of 68
Being able to rip dvds in itunes would be incredible, it could also really help out apple tv.
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post #67 of 68
Yeah, there is ZERO chance the movie industry will permit DVD ripping by Apple in any form. If they won't let Real do it, even with Real keeping the original CSS encryption, but also adding an extra layer of encryption so you can't view it on other computers, they won't let Apple do it.
post #68 of 68
I think that the iTunes Facebook thing would have a choice between automatic and manual and would have things like sharing music taste (something like iLike maybe) and the "tell a friend" link in iTunes would be extended to include Facebook.
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