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post #41 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
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People shouldn't be riding anything, bike/scooter, in a crowd anyway. Like you say there's no point.</strong><hr></blockquote>

look at a college campus--people do all that and more all at the same time. its chaos...
but somehow we all manage to get where we're going...eventually... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

ok, well most people are saying that this scooter would be great for big cities--which is basically huge crowds going places...which means people and bikes and scooters all going every which way...chaos, n'est pas?

it was simply a response to grovers stupid lil rant about how every mode of transportation other that this scooter (aka savior or all of humanity) is so dangerous that we would be stupid to choose them over the scooter...
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post #42 of 90
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post #43 of 90
I don't remember saying that, gomer.

Walking is safer than Segway, what else is?

Bikes most certainly aren't, not in a pedestrain-filled environment. Moving slowly on a bike makes you very prone to losing your balance, this thing seems to handle that situation with aplomb.

Skateboards are a nice alternative, but they require balance that not all of us naturally have and practice time most of us don't want to bother with. It's easy to stop on them and carrying them is a snap. They require physical input as well, which may or may not be a bad thing. (FYI, I think skateboards are a great means of conveyance, I just have horrible balance)

Rollerblades are rarely seen and for good reason. They are not good commuter gear, inferior in just about every way to a skateboard.
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post #44 of 90
[quote]Was there anything mentioned about security for this scooter? Does it have a lock?<hr></blockquote>

Uhhh, yes.

The key stores preferences as well, so you can get different behavior out of the Segway depending on which key you start it with.
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post #45 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>You're disappointed because you committed yourself to idiotic speculation.

This thing is great.



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post #46 of 90
I'm waiting for them to come out with huge exhaust systems or pretend ones that make that Rice Boy sound.

Or put 40" Chrome wheels on that sucker.

IT BE THE DOPEST!!!
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post #47 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
<strong>Luddite? I don't think anyone here (including myself) has said anything that might be heard at your local anti-technology, UNA-bomber sympathy conference. We're simply pointing out the obvious flaws (and advancements too) of this Segway thing.
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I don't know Moogs, remember you are arguing against therapuetic cloning in another thread. .

As for "IT" I would say that it's got a lot of promise. I was vacationing in NYC a few years back and IMO, they could have gotten rid of cars back then. Well, not completely, but they certainly could limit cars to deliveries in the morning and evening and open up the streets to scooters, bikes, and segways during the day. Also, like the razor scooters there seems to be a little more tolerance for using the things indoors and they certianly would be better for elevators than bikes.

I think the only thing that will prevent these things from improving, getting cheaper, and gaining widespread acceptance are the lawyers. I can imagine class action suits from tall people hitting their heads on a doorway at 12 mph.

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post #48 of 90
This article was very interesting as well.

<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011203/n0371251_2.html" target="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011203/n0371251_2.html</a>
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post #49 of 90
And Dean Kamen said it would replace the car.

For $3000? No thanks.

Seems well done technologically, but a pretty silly gimmick, and not worth 1/100 of the hype given to it. I still don't know why they kept it under such massive secrecy.

Just a heavily-overpriced scooter, is all...

Maybe they're seeing something I don't? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #50 of 90
Moogs,

you sure do a good job at being an ass
post #51 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>Moogs,

you sure do a good job at being an ass</strong><hr></blockquote>

welcome to the conversation applenut...
yer contributions are almost as significant as those of grover...
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post #52 of 90
Actually Gorgonzola, Dean Kamen has repeatedly stated that the Segway is not intended to replace the car. Read the Time article. It's in <a href="http://time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,186660-3,00.html" target="_blank">plain english.</a>:

"Cars are great for going long distances," Kamen says, "but it makes no sense at all for people in cities to use a 4,000-lb. piece of metal to haul their 150-lb. asses around town." In the future he envisions, cars will be banished from urban centers to make room for millions of "empowered pedestrians"--empowered, naturally, by Kamen's brainchild.

Kamen isn't so naive as to underestimate America's long-standing romance with the automobile. ("I love cars too," he says. "Just not when I'm downtown.") And he is well aware that uprooting the vast urban infrastructure that supports cars, from parking garages to bridges and tunnels, won't happen soon. Which is why he has pinned his greatest hopes not on the U.S. but abroad, especially in the developing world.

Its intended purpose is to empower pedestrians. From the Segway.com website, under <a href="http://www.segway.com.edgesuite.net/consumer/vision/environment.html" target="_blank">'vision'</a> (something many people on these boards apparently lack):

It's estimated that American drivers take 900 million car trips per day. The EPA estimates that half of all those trips are less than five miles (8 km) long and transport only one passengertrips perfectly suited to Segway HT.

I don't mind, really, if people don't get past the idea that segway is what it is. Or that they can't think further down the road than its introductory price tag.

However, if people want to intelligently discuss something new like this, where the creator of this device isn't out to make a couple billion dollars - but to change the world. They should at least read up a little. You know use that internet thing they got all frothy about what "IT" might be with.

The Segway website also discusses locks, pedestrian traffic issues etc. So do a lot of the articles. Use your mouse, click around a bit.

Come people you can do better research than this. Read. Comprehend. Use your imagination a little. It doesn't hurt.

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post #53 of 90
What's your fascination with me, gomer?

The Segway does need the big rice pipes along with a spoiler which will make it go a lot faster. It also needs 20" rims so it can be on rap videos, and hydraulics.
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post #54 of 90
[QUOTE]Originally posted by groverat:

Bikes are dangerous to real pedestrians. Cars are an inefficient means of urban travel.

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I think groverat hits on two of my main concerns. First it is true that bikes may be dangerous to pedestrians but where I am from they ride in the street. From what I get from the description, Ginger rides on the sidewalk and can just imagine myself getting hit from behind at 17 mph by some old man or small child. My second problem is with security. Once I got where I was going, what would I do with ginger (besides home)? can't imagine locking a $3000 device outside the grocery store with a bike protector. Or while riding down the street ( l live in an urban area) through a bad neighborhood, I can already see all the stealing that will take place. I can't imagine an easier thing to steal. Its kind of like walking down the street with one of those oversized $3000 (blank) checks in your hand.
post #55 of 90
well, all i have gotten to see of the segway today was badly artifact'd real video and still photos... but now that i have gotten home and seen it live on cnn... damn. i'm sorry, you can't not be impressed by this. you might not buy one. you might not even think it lives up to its hype, but it is way, way, way cool. the mechanism that keeps this thing upright is friggin' neat! and meanwhile cnn devotes whole segments to how georgia tech has made a better olympic flame that won't go out. and they're gonna make over 1100 of 'em, too... whopp-de-friggin'doo

the video they showed had it going up a 30 degree grassy hillside (well, 30 degrees is my estimate... they had someone walked next to them, which is what i base that off of), through several inches of water (i'd say deeper than ankle deep), and people just FLYING around and stopping on a friigin' dime. basket and saddle bags... this just screams cool to me. weather and elements a factor? sure, but they've been a factor to bike riders for a long damn time, but no one's made a bike enclosure (please don't post links to bike enclosures -- i relaize someone probably has made one, but it hasn't seen wide acceptance). i kinda wish it had more tread, like mountain bike wheels, but the heavier the tread, the more effort to make it go, which would drain the batteries quicker. i totally see this thing getting used by the postal service, when they are looking to save every dime, if these things use no fuel and are sturdy enough, they could make the postal service efficent again (hear that, post office?!?! stop delivering my mail weeks late! you have no excuse anymore!!!)

anyway, if i had an extra $3K and was looking for transportation, this thing would be high on my list.

oh god... slight, um, segue... cnn just said how steve jobs' said the segway would change the world, but continually to passive-aggressively poke fun at the device -- and by extension, steve's claim. i really hope steve's prediction doesn't make him and apple look bad. ugh. figures -- pop media can't find anything to make fun of steve in a business sense, so they'll use this backdoor method. sigh... thankfully, cnn's and headline news' production values have been in the proverbial sh!tter since they tried to be more touchy-feely in august, so maybe they won't be taken to seriously...

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post #56 of 90
Hmm. Like the iPod, only ten times as expensive!
post #57 of 90
I imagine Jobs helped price it.

It won't go far in American cities likely (we love out big honking Ford Excursions after all). It's too small, too slow, too efficient, too quiet, too dorky. As long as America is rich and "fat," it won't sell here.

But other cities' populations could very well get hooked. I'd like to see how it fares in places like Rome and its notorious Vespa traffic, or Shanghai with its notorious "critical mass" bike traffic. No sale in LA until it gets 100 miles per charge. That will get you to the neighbor's house at least.
post #58 of 90
hehehe... i understand, seƱor rotto. does anyone else find it ironic that one of the biggest... and i mean BIGGEST... S.U.V.'s being sold these days is named sequoia, (i.e. after a tree)? a neighbor of mine just got one - the thing has it's own zip code.
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post #59 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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grover, his point was that once yer already halfway to yer destination or whatever, u cant just say "ok, ill just stop for some gas....errr..."
cause u need a freakin wall outlet--what if yer stranded somewhere and out of juice??? its not as easy as stopping at a gas station to fill up. which means that u have to plan perfectly how long yer gonna be out and how far yer gonna travel--i dunno about u, but thats a pain in the ass. grover, stop jumping all over people fer a sec and think about the whole perspective of the issue...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Stranded where?? You going to cruise across the country on this thing?? Too bad they didn't put a firewire port on IT. If they had, you could recharge it with an iPod...
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post #60 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>What's your fascination with me, gomer?

The Segway does need the big rice pipes along with a spoiler which will make it go a lot faster. It also needs 20" rims so it can be on rap videos, and hydraulics.</strong><hr></blockquote>

what the hell is gomer??
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post #61 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by rok:
<strong>well, all i have gotten to see of the segway today was badly artifact'd real video and still photos... but now that i have gotten home and seen it live on cnn... damn. i'm sorry, you can't not be impressed by this. you might not buy one. you might not even think it lives up to its hype, but it is way, way, way cool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That was my reaction too. When I saw people using it I "got it". Turns on a dime. Stops on a dime.
post #62 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>It won't go far in American cities likely (we love out big honking Ford Excursions after all). It's too small, too slow, too efficient, too quiet, too dorky. As long as America is rich and "fat," it won't sell here.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm going to guess that you don't live in a city. There's a real chance for this to go far in the city. For example here in Chicago the train stations are often many blocks from where people work. If they could come out the train station and Ginger themselves last two miles to work then they'll get it. Also from home to the train station.
post #63 of 90
You guys miss the point. Steve Jobs said:

THEY WILL DESIGN CITIES AROUND THEM.

Also, this is NOT an environmentally friendly vehicle. Where does the electricity come from? A power tree? No, it comes from polluting power plants around the world!
post #64 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by sjpsu:
<strong>You guys miss the point. Steve Jobs said:

THEY WILL DESIGN CITIES AROUND THEM.

Also, this is NOT an environmentally friendly vehicle. Where does the electricity come from? A power tree? No, it comes from polluting power plants around the world!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well in the city you're trying to control smog. So it does help with that. Also at the power plant you have a better chance of controlling pollution.
post #65 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>You're disappointed because you committed yourself to idiotic speculation.

This thing is great.



[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: groverat ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


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post #66 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by sjpsu:
<strong>You guys miss the point. Steve Jobs said:

THEY WILL DESIGN CITIES AROUND THEM.

Also, this is NOT an environmentally friendly vehicle. Where does the electricity come from? A power tree? No, it comes from polluting power plants around the world!</strong><hr></blockquote>

And what would be an environmentally frindly vehicle? A horse? Methane problems there. Contributes to global warming.

I think we all know that the Segway is much more environmentally friendly than any ICE (internal Combustion Engine) and will have a minimal impact on pollution by the power it draws. ($0.05 of electricity is less than you use with your computer likely if you are leaving it on) These things are going to be big. I can hardly wait until I see the first one in person. "Umm sir, I'll give you $20 if you let me try that thing. Here are my car keys as collateral until I get back. "
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
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And what would be an environmentally frindly vehicle? A horse? Methane problems there. Contributes to global warming.

I think we all know that the Segway is much more environmentally friendly than any ICE (internal Combustion Engine) and will have a minimal impact on pollution by the power it draws. ($0.05 of electricity is less than you use with your computer likely if you are leaving it on) These things are going to be big. I can hardly wait until I see the first one in person. "Umm sir, I'll give you $20 if you let me try that thing. Here are my car keys as collateral until I get back. "</strong><hr></blockquote>

And how many BILLIONS of people exist in the world? If only millions use the damn thing, it still constitutes an added strain on existing power plants. Hell, they might even build new ones because of it. We're well aware of THAT degree of environmental friendliness.....
post #68 of 90
You guys have got to be kidding me.

This product is in its infancy, of COURSE it's out of reach. The price WILL come down.

This product ONLY goes 17 MPH. The average human only walks 2-3 miles per hour and jogs/runs 4-5 miles and hour. How many people do you know who can run 5 miles in an hour?

Segway isn't an excuse for lazy people, it's a better solution for lazy people. If my sister had this, she wouldn't be driving three blocks to her friend's house.

Battery life, batteries are getting better and better every day.

5 cents of electricity a day to charge this thing. How can anybody argue this is worse on the environment than merely starting your car and idling for a few seconds?

Segway is damned cool, but I'll let it grow up first. In 5 years, it'll be a mature enough concept for the masses.
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post #69 of 90
I'm of the same opinion as rok and Scott. At first, I thought "big deal" but then a I saw it. It's freakin' cool as hell. Not because it's a revolutionary method of transport, because it's not, but because of the tech behind it. You can't be knocked over. Stated another way: You have permanent balance. Think about the implications of that for a minute... All those movies with people and jet packs on, what's their biggest problem? Controlling the damn things. With a gyroscopic system like this one, that's not a problem. Stick some type of floatation device on this thing and you have travel over water. Make it fly and getting around in the air is not a problem. Now, the only problems we've got is figuring out a way to get ourselves in the air. That's a huge plus. More than half the problem is solved. Just wait, this thing will be huge.
post #70 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by sjpsu:
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And how many BILLIONS of people exist in the world? If only millions use the damn thing, it still constitutes an added strain on existing power plants. Hell, they might even build new ones because of it. We're well aware of THAT degree of environmental friendliness.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

I am not convinced. Build a new power plant because of this? I really doubt it. At least not until it replaces peoples cars and we all know that is going to be really soon. Just for the sake of argument, even if it does put a greater strain on the power grid, how much greater are we talking? More than you using that computer right now? Enough to outweigh the pollution that comes from your I.C.E.? Enough to cause Rolling Blackouts in California? I doubt any of these is the case.
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post #71 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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5 cents of electricity a day to charge this thing. How can anybody argue this is worse on the environment than merely starting your car and idling for a few seconds?
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I am not arguing that. Please re-read my statements. :cool: Yes, it is significantly more environmentally friendly than cars, but that friendliness is only relative. Some poor fishy will die because of this invention. Then how will you feel I am just kidding. It's a great invention.

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post #72 of 90
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Gregg:

Read the article.

This big nasty complicated recharging device is a wall outlet. Oooooh. Perhaps too complicated for you, but most of us will be able to handle plugging it in.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now, where you got the idea the 'device' was too complicated for me is quite a mystery. In fact, I said I didn't know much about it. Translation: I was not informed as to what the 'device' was. Furthermore, I said I didn't much care. You might try reading a post before you respond to it.

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My reaction to seeing it demonstrated on TV was much the same as many have said here. It is fascinating technology. I just doubt that in its present form it will be very useful. As to Mr. Kamen's statement about it being primarily for use in conjested downtown areas, you still have to get yourself, and IT downtown. It's not revolutionary in that use, it's another transportation layer on top of an existing one.

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post #73 of 90
Yes, it's relative, and frankly, a dozen cows farting would probably punch a bigger hole in the ozone than a Segway. We should kill all cows.
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post #74 of 90
Dean Kamen has written a <a href="http://theITquestion.com/news/kamenletter_120301.asp" target="_blank">letter</a> to the people who frequent(ed) 'the it question' website. It puts some of the "less rational" Ginger fanatics in there place. I never really visited the site, just went there to see if I could find out more info on the Segway.

It's incredible how stupid some of those people are acting. They're disappointed because they expected cold fusion flying hovercrafts and crazy teleportation devices. Seems to me a flying hovercraft would have a lot tougher time gaining acceptance in the legal, insurance and city planning circles than the Segway. You know why? Because hovercrafts already exist and no one *wants* a hovercraft car badly enough to mass market them. They're hard to control (read dangerous), noisy, innefficient, and for personal consumer applications simply don't make a lot of sense relative to a car with tires.

Flying transportation devices! Ha! We already have them, they're called Airplanes and Helicopters. You need training and licenses to operate them though.

What dingbats on those forums. Good letter though. I like that Kamen fella.
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Scott:
You make a good point about our beloved Mayor re: the sidewalks and bikepaths along the lake and such.

I was thinking about the periphery of downtown and some of the more industrial (rather than corporate) areas, as far as pothole-ladden roads and dips in sidewalks go. But I haven't been down there much this year so things could have changed I suppose.

Either way the winters are so hard on the roads here that one should expect the bumps and humps. But that still doesn't mean space would be alloted for these things to run in -- special segway lanes, if you like.


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Take your foot out of your mouth.


Groverat:
Why do you feel roller blades are so dangerous / not competitive with something like Segway? If you're of healthy body and pay attention to what you're doing, roller-blading can be just as safe (and faster) than walking -- and on average just as fast as the Segway. Like anything else, you just have to practice a little before you hit the streets and sidewalks.

Skateboards are more of an example in theory, because frankly no one who wants to be taken seriously at their place of business is going to ride in on a Tony Hawk special...

...but I see no reason why a bike or roller-blades would be viewed as more dangerous than a Segway, which frankly is much harder to predict in terms of what the user will do next. The thing backs up, spins around and changes direction so quickly it would be easy as hell to run into one (no matter what your mode of transport is).

One intersting thing I heard was that Ford plans to use them to get their plant supervisors around more efficiently. Now THAT is the type of application I can clearly see benefits for because it's a more or less controlled environment. The chances for chaotic accidents and such are greatly reduced, while the speed at which a super can move from point a to point b is greatly increased. In a controlled environment, these things could be very useful. In an uncontrolled (and crowded) one, they would cause more trouble than they're worth.

Nordstradamus:
Off topic (therapuetic cloning is another thread) and way, WAY off base (just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a luddite or techno-phobe...I think my line of questioning and reasoning in the other thread and this one should indicate I'm not just trying to bad mouth these things for the hell of it. I have genuine concern behind my doubts.

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post #76 of 90
So when you get to your destination do you sit down, untie, pull of your rollerblades, get your own shoes (from where?) and put them on? Then carry your rollerblades around?

Please.

The Segway you just get off of it. Secure it and you're done. So, for example, my wife could leave it in her office. Also the Segway is good for people who need to make rounds. That is at a warehouse. Just get off and you're on your own feet. In the hospital I work at it would be great for the patient transporters. They need to "fetch" inpatients and bring them back to our clinic. They could Segway there and then just push the patient, in a wheelchair, back to the clinic with the segway in tow. You can't do that on rollerblades and you can't fit a bike in the halls even if they let you.

The Segway makes sense for all those things that require a lot of walking. It fits in just about anywhere people can walk. Bikes and rollerblades can't do that.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>So when you get to your destination do you sit down, untie, pull of your rollerblades, get your own shoes (from where?) and put them on? Then carry your rollerblades around?

Please.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well it would depend on the kind of job you have. Suits aren't any more likely to use roller blades than a skateboard, but business casual and others working or studying in less formal attire certainly could use them effectively.

To answer your question, I would step under the eaves / into the lobby, reach down, undo the latches on my blades, pull them off, slip on a pair of shoes, and stuff the blades in my backpack. Takes 60, maybe 90 seconds.

Clearly a waste of time in this day and age of "ultra-efficiency" and "speed gurus" (same people that have two cells phones and a palm in their bag, but don't realize how much time they actually *waste* by constantly using them)...but either way, not a lot of effort or time is required when using 'blades, to my apparently prehistoric way of thinking.



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When did maneuverability become a liability? Sure, the Segway can stop and turn on a dime. So can people. How often do they run into each other?

I know I've wished my bike could stop or turn more quickly in a few, uh, difficult situations. Especially in wet conditions.

I'm waiting for a board-like variant to appear that is just a platform with wheels that you turn by leaning, almost like skiing. That would be cool. Especially once the technology has matured enough that the machine is relatively lightweight. You can just set it down, go, and then pick it up. That would be a hit with younger people, and people whose centers of gravity are considerably lower than mine.
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Alliance:
You are a gomer. Aggies are "gomers". It's a relation to two things: 1) The rediculous Aggie dedication to all things military (hence: GOMER Pyle) and 2) "gomer" calls up images of backwoods rednecks, which Aggies are.

Me: "Why did you choose A&M over UT?" Gomer: "Ah couldn't stand all the damn foreigners. And the damn queers, too."

Moogs:

Rollerblading is dangerous in a commuter environment because it makes your normally stable feet highly unstable. There are very few people with the physical ability to handle rollerblades wonderfully. Segway, meanwhile, can be used by those who are able to stand upright and move their muscles.

Skateboards allow you to jump off quickly, it's a quick out. Rollerblades are literally tied to your feet.

Executive types will never use rollerblades and skateboards. Those looking to become executive types won't go flying by the executive types on a skateboard or in a pair of rollerblades.

Do you honestly not see how bikes are more dangerous to pedestrians than a Segway?
- They are unstable at low speeds.
- Their very structure makes them dangerous to other pedestrians were they to fall. Metal pieces jutting out this way and that.
- They are larger than a Segway
- They are a pain in the ass at low speeds. Most people end up just walking beside it.

There are people at my university that drive 10 blocks to campus and park. I know professors that live in neighborhoods well inside the Segways range (8-15 blocks) but drive and congest the University even more with their cars.

Mine is an ideal setting for one of these things, a setting FOR WHICH this thing was designed. It wasn't designed to move people 8 miles to work. You cannot look at it in that context.

It is safer and more efficient than rollerblading, skateboarding and biking in an urban environment. It is faster and as safe as walking.

I could very easily lambast (err, sorry, "express my concerns about") the bicycle for not being able to do 80mph and protect me from the rain but it wouldn't be logical to do so.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Alliance:
You are a gomer. Aggies are "gomers". It's a relation to two things: 1) The rediculous Aggie dedication to all things military (hence: GOMER Pyle) and 2) "gomer" calls up images of backwoods rednecks, which Aggies are.

Me: "Why did you choose A&M over UT?" Gomer: "Ah couldn't stand all the damn foreigners. And the damn queers, too."
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that is the most conceded and arrogant thing ive heard in awhile...
are u a complete moron or just acting like it??
why do u treat everyone based on a stereotype, and come off thinking that you are always the only one that can ever be right?? why do u act like an ass to everyone who brings up any point??? why must u disagree w/ everyone and make try to make them look like idiots?? wts wrong w/ u??????????

btw, i dont believe that a&m is anything to do w/ military--the corps is a joke...its a bunch of wannabe military dumasses who couldnt get in any other way than through the corps. and i am not a redneck--far from it actually. im from the city. and before i moved here and enrolled at a&m, i was from california, surrounded by every type of person there is. i was born in east LA, so dont talk to me about what real life is, cause u havent seen it. and dont give me that shit about how yer all high and mighty and go judging me and everyone else. oh, and im a freakin minority u dumbass, so dont say i dont like foreignors cause i am one u jackass.
now back off yer worthless criticizms before u start to piss me off.
think before u attack other people u arrogant ass.
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