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post #41 of 126
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

Agreed.

Fair play to Apple if this road map comes about.

The Macbook needs a price range in the UK of £495-795.

Wintel laptops are available from £395.

It wasn't that long ago Apple offered a £695 iBook and an iMac for £695. I think they need to go lower than that this time.

They don't have to be Dell cheap...but cheaper than currently. I'm glad the Macbook is being realigned. It's overdue after the alu Macbook mistep that saw it changed to a 'Macbook Pro' with the Firewire port people wanted...and a price cut.

I hope we get a nice slender design. Plastic. Affordable. It's got to be cheaper than the current model by a good hundred pounds or so.

Same with the desktop line. The mac mini and iMac are due reality checks.

We'll see what the 'fall' brings...

Lemon Bon Bon.

Exactly what is wrong with the Mac Mini and iMac in terms of price? The iMac is priced extremely well against its competition (Dell XPS One, HP TouchSmart) and is typically a better value as well. And the Mac Mini is never ever going to become a midtower because it would serve no purpose (90% of the market never upgrades their computers to begin with and on a mac, an external drive would serve the same purpose since dual booting is really the only way for legit gaming, making upgrading video cards rather irrelevant). If you're primarily gonna be gaming, you'd be much better served by buying a Windows midtower to begin with.

Anyway, I'm expecting Apple to do something like this to its line-up:

iMacs

20" 2.93GHz Core 2 Duo- $1099
4GB DDR3 RAM
640GB HDD
Nvidia 9600m GT

24" 2.66GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1399
4GB DDR3 RAM
640GB HDD
Nvidia 9600m GT

24" 2.93GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1699
4GB DDR3 RAM
750GB HDD
ATI Radeon 4850

24" 3.06GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1999
4GB DDR3 RAM
1TB HDD
Nvidia GTX285

Apple has pretty much purposefully skipped over Core 2 Quad mobile because of its inherent problems, but the new i7 chips should make it safe to finally jump into quad core for the iMacs. I pretty much expect the aluminum MacBooks to just get spec bumps, but here's what I hope will happen with the polycarbonate ones:

13" LCD- $799
2.13GHz Core 2 Duo
4GB DDR2 RAM
250GB HDD
Nvidia 9500m

13" lcd- $999
2.26GHz Core 2 Duo
4GB DDR2 RAM
320GB HDD
Nvidia 9500m

I'm putting it on faith that Apple will stop shipping miniscule hard drives (a 250GB base one would not murder their margins by any stretch of thought). I don't really know what to expect of a redesigned shell, but hopefully it will finally put that cracking issue to rest, cause the last thing Apple needs is for alot of new customers' first impressions of a MacBook to be that it has a quality control issue. The iMacs have long been great in terms of QC, but the engineering team really needs to stop slacking off when it comes to the notebooks. I'm also hoping the the advertising team finally comes up with a better pitch for the TV commercials because a lack of viruses is seriously in the middle of the pack in terms of reasons to buy a Mac.

One way or another, though, I'm really excited to see what the team has in store for the next year.
post #42 of 126
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

My 2006 Black MacBook is still going strong. I quite like the design.

I have the same, I bought this 2.0Gz C2D machine in April of 07 just as it was being replaced with the new models. I got $400 of the original price due to Amazon discounts and rebates. I've upgraded to 3GB of ram and this little baby has proved its worth time and again.
post #43 of 126
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Apple should redesign the White MacBook to look more like a plastic MacBook air
drop the screen size to 10-12"
drop the optical drive
drop the price to $799

(one model available in five colors)

Sounds like the Apple NetBook that never happened!
post #44 of 126
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Good call. I have a fancy brand new MBP for work and that aluminum looks real pretty until it gets the inevitable dents and scratches. I take good care of it and always carry it in it's case... but it's still managed to get one bad scratch and one REALLY nasty dent. Aluminum is soft as butter. I'm not sure I would even buy one for personal use. I would probably buy plastic. Much more rugged and thus better suited for the student or road warrior. I'm glad they're keeping it.

I have the early 2008 MacBook Pro (aluminum, needless to say) which I carry around in a standard Targus computer bag.

I have ZERO dents, scratches, etc. It looks as cool and flawless as the day I bought it.

Little more care, perhaps? Some people are simply not careful with their toys.
post #45 of 126
What Apple needs is a light and small MacBook, like the Sony Vaio P Series

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644608896

No more than 600 g or so (the lighter, the better) and as much pocketable as possible. With video-out for Keynote and PowerPoint presentations. The MacBook Air is too heavy, too large and too port crippled!
post #46 of 126
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Originally Posted by Halvri View Post


Anyway, I'm expecting Apple to do something like this to its line-up:

iMacs

20" 2.93GHz Core 2 Duo- $1099
4GB DDR3 RAM
640GB HDD
Nvidia 9600m GT

24" 2.66GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1399
4GB DDR3 RAM
640GB HDD
Nvidia 9600m GT

24" 2.93GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1699
4GB DDR3 RAM
750GB HDD
ATI Radeon 4850

24" 3.06GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1999
4GB DDR3 RAM
1TB HDD
Nvidia GTX285

Apple has pretty much purposefully skipped over Core 2 Quad mobile because of its inherent problems, but the new i7 chips should make it safe to finally jump into quad core for the iMacs.

Its doubtful Apple would put an ATI Radeon 4850 or NVIDIA GTX 285 into an iMac. There's a reason Apple uses mobile graphics processors for iMacs, and I'm not just talking about power consumption. Have you ever seen the size of a 4850 or 285 card? They are bricks, literally, and although most of the heft is due to the heat sink, that's just that much more heat dissipation to deal with, not to mention fan noise too. I own a PC with two ATI 4890s, and believe me when I say it, they are huge, noisy, and power hungry beasts
post #47 of 126
why would apple redesign and NOT go to Carbon Fiber. lighter, stronger, better.

Apple does not make cheap computers and will not. that's what put Dell in its current situation, as well as packard bell. I don't see Burberry selling polo shirts for $40, and i don't see Apple selling notebooks for $250
post #48 of 126
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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

Its doubtful Apple would put an ATI Radeon 4850 or NVIDIA GTX 285 into an iMac. There's a reason Apple uses mobile graphics processors for iMacs, and I'm not just talking about power consumption. Have you ever seen the size of a 4850 or 285 card? They are bricks, literally, and although most of the heft is due to the heat sink, that's just that much more heat dissipation to deal with, not to mention fan noise too. I own a PC with two ATI 4890s, and believe me when I say it, they are huge, noisy, and power hungry beasts

You do realize that a 4850 is already a BTO on the two highest end iMacs, right? And yes, I know a 285GTX is being optimistic, it's meant to be since I honestly have no idea where they plan to go after the 4850. The 4850 will fit into the 24" unit, but you're quite right, it's huge and I have no idea how they cool it, but then again, they did have sporadic freezing issues when it was first released.
post #49 of 126
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But how will the children learn to type?

lol.

Typing is obsolete. I am ashamed to be living in the 21st century and STILL banging the digits of my appendages against a primitive rectangular grid of tiny boxes with symbols on them.

How neolithic.

-Clive
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post #50 of 126
Methinks the redesigned MacBook, in say three versions, might reach down into the netbook market. The smallest could be the MacBook Nano. No major reinvestment required, just use the basic design of the existing MB and shrink it down with a 10 or 11 inch screen. That way even if it doesn't become a huge seller, and has a smallish margin, it could still be profitable. More importantly it could be a gateway to bigger and better models once the user who was looking for cheap (relatively) falls in love with Macs and buys a bigger one later.
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post #51 of 126
I've been an Apple Fanatic since 1982, when I bought my first Apple II. Through the years, I've rather enjoyed the elitist snobbery we Apple users have engendered against the droning PC masses.

Now, Apple seems to be beginning to rule the universe in all things electronic, and everybody wants to own one. Is Apple TV the next iPod/iTunes? Time will tell.

At any rate, no matter how mass market Apple has become today, we fanatics have always been able to rely on the fact that, Apple has never made any pretension of trying to compete with the soulless commodities crowding the lower end of the computer price spectrum. That Mac users have historically paid a premium for a computer that is more like your little buddy, than a PC appliance, has been a badge of honor. I used to get all warm inside, whenever a PC user said to me "yeah, but you have to use a mouse to work a computer," or this one "I can get 3 PCs for the price of one Mac."

Oh sweet delight!

So, although I'm overjoyed to see Apple get the respect and admiration those of us long time Apple Evangelists think they're due, I, nonetheless, find it somewhat bittersweet, the possibility that Apple could one day become the cold, faceless, heartless Microsoft we've despised these many years. Hissssss! We all remember the "1984" Mac ad, but now I fear that our side could become "Big Brother."

C'est la vie
post #52 of 126
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Originally Posted by Halvri View Post

You do realize that a 4850 is already a BTO on the two highest end iMacs, right? And yes, I know a 285GTX is being optimistic, it's meant to be since I honestly have no idea where they plan to go after the 4850. The 4850 will fit into the 24" unit, but you're quite right, it's huge and I have no idea how they cool it, but then again, they did have sporadic freezing issues when it was first released.

I stand corrected- although I knew they offered one for the Mac Pro, which makes sense, given the Mac Pro is a full fledged tower and is spacious. I'm curious, however, if Apple has NVIDIA specially form the graphics card to fit inside the iMac... I mean, these are admittedly huge cards. But I wouldn't worry about going beyond the 4850 for some time- it's a very good card, and is comparable in performance to its two higher kin, the 4870 and 4890, although I believe the 4850 is DDR3, not DDR5 memory. I'd bet that in the next refresh, Apple would offer something like the NVIDIA GTS 240 or 250, or ATI's 4870/4890 card since there are GDDR5 and have superior cooling methods than NVIDIA's GTX 200 line. Of course, there are technical differences (and pros and cons) to how ATI and NIVIDIA each handle graphics processing, but either of the aforementioned cards would be a good match for the iMac's limited space and cooling capabilities.

My $.02
post #53 of 126
If this rumor is true, it would seem to put extreme pricing pressure on two other Apple products. The Mac mini and the rumored tablet. I know the mini isn't a portable computer, but the high-end mini is $800 for roughly the same specs, minus the keyboard, trackpad, and monitor the MacBook would come with. And regardless any revolutionary features a tablet would have, it would be a tough sell when you can get a full Mac laptop for the same price.

Just to be a doomsayer for everyone waiting for the tablet, I wonder if Apple is trying to breath new life into the MacBook line and extend it's longevity a bit more because the tablet isn't ready yet (either for technical or economic reasons). They could use an extremely low-end MacBook in the $800-900 range to fend off the netbook assault until the tablet is ready late next year.
post #54 of 126
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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

I stand corrected- although I knew they offered one for the Mac Pro, which makes sense, given the Mac Pro is a full fledged tower and is spacious. I'm curious, however, if Apple has NVIDIA specially form the graphics card to fit inside the iMac... I mean, these are admittedly huge cards. But I wouldn't worry about going beyond the 4850 for some time- it's a very good card, and is comparable in performance to its two higher kin, the 4870 and 4890, although I believe the 4850 is DDR3, not DDR5 memory. I'd bet that in the next refresh, Apple would offer something like the NVIDIA GTS 240 or 250, or ATI's 4870/4890 card since there are GDDR5 and have superior cooling methods than NVIDIA's GTX 200 line, and would be a good match for the iMac's limited space and cooling capabilities.

My $.02

That sounds reasonable to me. I was actually originally going to put the 4870 in place of the gtx285 but wasn't really convinced (in my own mind) that it would be different enough to justify. What you say makes alot of sense, though, and it really wouldn't surprise me if they did do so for exactly those reasons (especially given the aforementioned freezing). One way or another, though, I just really hope Nvidia gets its quality control issues under control, they're simply causing too much strife in the industry at large (and obviously giving the company an increasingly bad name).
post #55 of 126
"...will off a staggering array of portable solutions ranging from $99 to $999. "

This is a ridiculously confident statement given Apple hasn't announced either a tablet or a cheap MacBook. Given that netbooks will still undercut a lower price MacBook, Apple will still be one step behind the curve.
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Rapidly? You are kidding right? With the exception of the $99 iPhone 3G all of their products are still in the premium market. The economy has been in the tank for a year and this refresh won't see the light of day until sometime in 2010. And you call that rapid?

Couldn't agree more, what a lot of bum licking crap !
They have yet to launch ANY cheap products and in fact have transitioned their entire laptop line into Pro models.
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post #57 of 126
"I stand corrected- although I knew they offered one for the Mac Pro, which makes sense, given the Mac Pro is a full fledged tower and is spacious. I'm curious, however, if Apple has NVIDIA specially form the graphics card to fit inside the iMac... I mean, these are admittedly huge cards. But I wouldn't worry about going beyond the 4850 for some time- it's a very good card, and is comparable in performance to its two higher kin, the 4870 and 4890, although I believe the 4850 is DDR3, not DDR5 memory. I'd bet that in the next refresh, Apple would offer something like the NVIDIA GTS 240 or 250, or ATI's 4870/4890 card since there are GDDR5 and have superior cooling methods than NVIDIA's GTX 200 line. Of course, there are technical differences (and pros and cons) to how ATI and NIVIDIA each handle graphics processing, but either of the aforementioned cards would be a good match for the iMac's limited space and cooling capabilities.

My $.02"




Sorry to dissapoint you but Nvidia or ATI do not shrink full sized cards down especially for iMacs, iMacs use mobile video cards exactly the same as ones Alienware, Dell etc. use.
A fine example of you imagining how this could be done instead of looking at a teardown. Do you have any idea how much those custom cards would cost ? Apple cards use a custom BIOS to talk to Intel EFI but that is as custom as it gets.
Every Mac uses identical chipsets and boards to PCs. If anyone paid you $.02 for that they overpayed !
post #58 of 126
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Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post

lol.

Typing is obsolete. I am ashamed to be living in the 21st century and STILL banging the digits of my appendages against a primitive rectangular grid of tiny boxes with symbols on them.

How neolithic.

-Clive

And yet you still have yet to explain your idea to replace it, strange that !
post #59 of 126
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

Rapidly? You are kidding right? With the exception of the $99 iPhone 3G all of their products are still in the premium market. The economy has been in the tank for a year and this refresh won't see the light of day until sometime in 2010. And you call that rapid?

People said the Unibody introduction was stupid given the recession, but Apple's holding steady and actually growing a bit.

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MBA could be cheaper than the MB. Just let it stagnate and keep lowering the price.

The fixed costs have already been paid off for that engineering feat, and the unit cost should be lower than MB. So, a lower price will bring more demand, and no further investment is required.

Also, MBA customers might be more likely to buy additional accessories.

I think the CPU in the MBA uses a different fab process. Most notebooks use "T" series chips with a certain guaranteed thermal profile, MBA uses a chip one or two steps more efficient with a tighter guaranteed thermal profile.

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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Fact is Firewire, still is more feature packed then USB and the road map for development looks a lot better as well.

It's a trade-off. Firewire is smarter but doesn't have an HID class and it's more expensive too.

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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

What Apple needs is a light and small MacBook, like the Sony Vaio P Series

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644608896

Have you actually handled one? I played with one in the Sony Style store, it looks nifty but it feels flimsy, the whole thing flexes way too easily.

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Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post

lol.

Typing is obsolete. I am ashamed to be living in the 21st century and STILL banging the digits of my appendages against a primitive rectangular grid of tiny boxes with symbols on them.

Nothing is really obsolete until there is something that can actually replace it adequately.
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Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post

lol.

Typing is obsolete. I am ashamed to be living in the 21st century and STILL banging the digits of my appendages against a primitive rectangular grid of tiny boxes with symbols on them.

How neolithic.

-Clive

Nearly a quarter century after I learned to type, my need for said skill has not diminished one bit... and I don't anticipate it ever lessening in my lifetime (save for a mind-reading computer unexpectedly appearing). The difference between dictation and accurate, direct typing is a gulf that will not be bridged with voice recognition software. Heck it can't even be bridged with a skilled secretary.

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post #61 of 126
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Though details are few and far between, Apple is expected to achieve these markdowns through largely existing tactics, such as using lower-end components and previous-generation Core 2 Duo chips and architectures from Intel Corp. Battery life should receive a boost from cutting-edge technology that recently found its way into the company's other notebook offerings, while high-end legacy features like FireWire connectivity are likely to be sacrificed in the tradeoff.

Considering that Apple has upgraded the Mac mini to Firewire 800 and how they had to remove the audio input jack in order to bring back the Firewire port (suggesting that the Firewire 400 port was indeed dropped because of the lack of space on the first generation unibody 13in). I don't think Apple views Firewire as a premium feature these days, especially when a lot of their PC competitors in this price tier offer Firewire 400 ports.

I think Apple will likely differentiate its MBP line from its MB line through the use of a lower class of current generation Intel processor (Core i7 Arrandale/Clarksfield instead of Core i5 Arrandale). The differentiating CPU features are likely Hyperthreading, which does provide siginificant performance boost on Nehalem and future CPU designs and to a lesser extent, Turbo Boost ceilings. The target group of the MB line aren't likely to run a lot of applications concurrently, so 2 thread should be enough.

Another point of differentiation would be the quality of the display panel. However, I think Apple will continue to include the same IGP as the lower-tier MBPs. After all, Apple doesn't ship crap and GPGPU can offer significant battery life benefits and allow Apple to include more AI features (such as face detection in iPhoto) in its consumer-grade software. I think face-detection based/two-factor authentication, future revisions of Inkwell and Speech recognition are likely to be use GPGPU for acceleration. Encryption and compression (used in Screen sharing and File Vault) are also likely to be accelerated through GPGPU.
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Originally Posted by JupiterOne View Post

My thoughts too. This "redesigned" MacBook may be redesigned into the Tablet.


Bingo! I'm pretty sure that you can take this one to the bank. It's just too logical NOT to happen.
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post #63 of 126
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And yet you still have yet to explain your idea to replace it, strange that !

Perhaps even more ironic is didn't they need to type this statement for the post to be made?
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post #64 of 126
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Methinks the redesigned MacBook, in say three versions, might reach down into the netbook market. The smallest could be the MacBook Nano. No major reinvestment required, just use the basic design of the existing MB and shrink it down with a 10 or 11 inch screen.

Apple can't just shrink down a product. If Intel could make the same chips 20% smaller at the same cost... they would do it in a heart beat. If the battery manufacturers could make their batteries 20% smaller for the same performance they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Of course, it is possible to make things smaller - but there's a cost associated, OR a loss in some other areas (eg: a slower system). It can be both (like the MBA).

BTW: The reverse isn't true in most situations. The chip makers etc abandon the old technology as they progress, so you can't just have a cheaper bigger laptop by providing more room inside - as you end up just leaving space inside the case.

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Although I understand the $99 - 999 graphic, I view the mandatory voice/data plan as part of the purchase price so I see the iPhone 3G as a $1499 device rather than a $99 one. To me the low end offering is the $229 iPod touch.

Absolutely!

Apple displays the price of the 16GB iPhone 3GS in the fine print ($599), but it's not spoken about much, just the $199 subsidised price.

I think this presented 2 issues for Apple
1) How could the iPod Touch survive when it was perceived to be priced so badly in comparison to the iPhone? Apple had to cut the price (and their margins) hugely on the touch.
2) When the phone contract hides the cost so easily to the majority of people, can (and did) they bump up the price and rake in some extra $$$$?

If $599 is realistic for a 16GB iPhone (unsubsidised), what price should we expect for a 16GB 10" tablet with iPhone internals? I don't want another expensive contract to make a tablet price fit the $99-$999 graphic.

But I think it is possible for Apple to drop down the MacBook price. The C2D speeds haven't been skyrocketing and slightly slower chips can allow for some significant price cuts. Removing the DVD and restructuring the battery, without trying to squeeze the internal size smaller, can differentiate it further.
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I read else where the "atom" is/was being considered! I'm thinking Apple chips aka P A Semi.

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Apple can't just shrink down a product. If Intel could make the same chips 20% smaller at the same cost... they would do it in a heart beat. If the battery manufacturers could make their batteries 20% smaller for the same performance they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Actually that is as simple as pie. First Intel does shrink its products, you have heard of process shrinks haven't you. This leads to higher integration which further allows Apple to shrink its products. As for batteries they have been improving by about 8 % a year.

You don't have to believe me though as looking at the iPhone 3GS kinda proves the point. Here we have more than double the performance in the same package and it has a longer battery life.
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Of course, it is possible to make things smaller - but there's a cost associated, OR a loss in some other areas (eg: a slower system). It can be both (like the MBA).

Electronics generally gets faster with process shrinks given that power can be managed. Take any modern AMD or Intel CPU and over-clock it a bit, there is a lot of head room especially in Intel processors. Looking away at X86 to ARM on the iPhone proves the point and Samsung already has a process shrunk version of the processor in the 3GS out of the labs. So Apple could easily bump iPhone anytime it wanted to better performance and lower power drain.
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BTW: The reverse isn't true in most situations. The chip makers etc abandon the old technology as they progress, so you can't just have a cheaper bigger laptop by providing more room inside - as you end up just leaving space inside the case.

Not if you follow wise engineering practice. That space would be dedicated to something, very likely a larger battery as we have seen in the latest MBP.
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Absolutely!

Apple displays the price of the 16GB iPhone 3GS in the fine print ($599), but it's not spoken about much, just the $199 subsidised price.

I think this presented 2 issues for Apple
1) How could the iPod Touch survive when it was perceived to be priced so badly in comparison to the iPhone? Apple had to cut the price (and their margins) hugely on the touch.

The Touch is selling at a reasonable price and I''m sure Apples is maintaining reasonable margins on each sale. IPhone on the other hand has totally unreasonable margins, likely in excess of 60%. It is great for Apple that they can maintain the smoke and mirrors but eventually the competition will force lowered pricing on iPhone.

As to the rumored Mac Books and associated the rumored tablet, Apple has a lot of discretion with respect to pricing. I believe it is very possible for them to deliver a $600 NoteBook an maintain 30% margins. Unfortunately some may see such a low cost machine as a little to cheap, so maybe Apple readjusts its margins to 25%.

The trick to such a low cost device is to engineer simple PC boards with a minimal of I/O, get rid of space wasting devices like optical drives and 2.5" notebook drives. Apples biggest obstacle to being successful here is the reliance on Intel which really has mucked up the low power line up and Atom. Atom should have been delivered in an high integration version with everything but the GPU on board and they should have supported the use of dual core processors in laptops. The artificial constraints put on Atom have been a marketing boondoggle for Intel.

What Apple should have done was to bitch slapped Intel into a more reasonable attitude with respect to Atom as it would have been the perfect solution for a Snow Leopard based notebook. That is is Intel would have sold it in a dual core high integration solution. I can see MBA students reviewing Intel years from now due to the cock up.
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2) When the phone contract hides the cost so easily to the majority of people, can (and did) they bump up the price and rake in some extra $$$$?

It is common knowledge that Apple is making lots of money on each iPhone sale. In fact they are likely leading the industry right now. That is one of the reasons I think there will be a major refactoring of pricing if the rumored tablet actually debuts. The problem is clear, the tablet can't be to expensive because people won't see the value in the device over a laptop.

Of course I've pretty much come to the conclusion that marketing any ten inch tablet is going to be tough.
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If $599 is realistic for a 16GB iPhone (unsubsidised), what price should we expect for a 16GB 10" tablet with iPhone internals? I don't want another expensive contract to make a tablet price fit the $99-$999 graphic.

First the price of $599 isn't realistic at all. There simply isn't enough silicon in the device to justify the price point. I fully expect the unsubsidized price to drop a bit once Apple has a tablet on the market.

As to that expensive contract I'm with you, I want carrier choice. If IPhone has taught me anything it is that 3G is very very very nice to have in a tablet device. Faster than 3G would be nicer. But the issue with carrier tie ins is an abomination. Further I'm actually hoping for a WiFi only model just like we see with iPhone/Touch. It would be even nicer if the tablet was field upgradeable to the carrier interface of your choice. Oh an unlocked would be even nicer for travel.

Beyond all that 16GB is no where near enough memory. This thing needs 128GB to start off on the right foot. I'm not kidding here at all. If you are going to use it mobile, for travel and such, buffering media is going to be a huge application for the device. Plus the reality that there is no perfection with respect to carriers, all of them have dead spots, usually in places where you might want to sit down and actually use a tablet.
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But I think it is possible for Apple to drop down the MacBook price. The C2D speeds haven't been skyrocketing and slightly slower chips can allow for some significant price cuts. Removing the DVD and restructuring the battery, without trying to squeeze the internal size smaller, can differentiate it further.

Yes all this is true but on the other hand staying with Core 2 is death. It is simply out classed by recent Intel tech and even AMD stuff. What I see Apple doing is going Arrandale at the extreme low end, and using a custom I/O chip. This could lead to a very small and low cost motherboard. Yes I know Arrandale is seen as expensive but if it its the only major chip on the board it may be doable. The other option is to screw Intel and their high pricing and put an AMD chip in the box. Apparently Apples dropping of ATOM wasn't enough to cause Intel to wise up so why not start to phase the out even more.

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if my desktop died today and i needed to buy a PC for my wife to sync her iphone to, i'd probably go for a dell. i can get a dell laptop that's about the size of a MBP with LED backlit screen, backlit keyboard, etc for like $700.

if there was a macbook with a 15" screen for $700 i'd look at it. don't see the point in paying for Garage Band if i'll never use it.

yea some great dell selling points that make real sence
you must love your wife to save $190 on not get a white mb

ha ha charade you are
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"I stand corrected- although I knew they offered one for the Mac Pro, which makes sense, given the Mac Pro is a full fledged tower and is spacious. I'm curious, however, if Apple has NVIDIA specially form the graphics card to fit inside the iMac... I mean, these are admittedly huge cards. But I wouldn't worry about going beyond the 4850 for some time- it's a very good card, and is comparable in performance to its two higher kin, the 4870 and 4890, although I believe the 4850 is DDR3, not DDR5 memory. I'd bet that in the next refresh, Apple would offer something like the NVIDIA GTS 240 or 250, or ATI's 4870/4890 card since there are GDDR5 and have superior cooling methods than NVIDIA's GTX 200 line. Of course, there are technical differences (and pros and cons) to how ATI and NIVIDIA each handle graphics processing, but either of the aforementioned cards would be a good match for the iMac's limited space and cooling capabilities.

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Sorry to dissapoint you but Nvidia or ATI do not shrink full sized cards down especially for iMacs, iMacs use mobile video cards exactly the same as ones Alienware, Dell etc. use.
A fine example of you imagining how this could be done instead of looking at a teardown. Do you have any idea how much those custom cards would cost ? Apple cards use a custom BIOS to talk to Intel EFI but that is as custom as it gets.
Every Mac uses identical chipsets and boards to PCs. If anyone paid you $.02 for that they overpayed !

Do you have any idea how unnecessary your interjection was? He was positing a thought, whether it's right or not, it's just a thought. However, given your own information is patently wrong (there is no mobile 4850), your post served only to stroke your own ego.

The next time you decide to break in on a civil conversation with bullshit like that, do yourself a favor and go outside and find a girlfriend instead.
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I didn't realize that connecting Macs to one another in the least painful manner was considered a high end legacy feature. Fact is Firewire, still is more feature packed then USB and the road map for development looks a lot better as well. That is why long time Mac users went nuts when Apple temporarily abandoned it. People will notice that Apple made a point of announcing it was back at it's last keynote.

USB and Ethernet do not let users manage various computers as well as Firewire. Firewire will not be sacrificed.

MANY apple reps have stated to me that fire wire will sooner or later be gone>
usb2/3 is just as fast rthey say and apple wants to make ports that fit with the component makers ports.
And the herd is slowly moving to usb 2/3 and mini usb for the many other things .

Apple wants to be mainstream and fire wire is slowing fading . IT may take 3 yrs or 5 but fire wire is dead.
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

if my desktop died today and i needed to buy a PC for my wife to sync her iphone to, i'd probably go for a dell. i can get a dell laptop that's about the size of a MBP with LED backlit screen, backlit keyboard, etc for like $700.

if there was a macbook with a 15" screen for $700 i'd look at it. don't see the point in paying for Garage Band if i'll never use it.

Al good luck with dealingwith all the viruses and spyware, the crappy interface, the illogical settings design, the inability to perform a drive clone and have a drive ready in case of disaster, let alone this piece of junk looking like crap having half the satisfaction rates of apple...and like another poster says all that free time that you can spend with wife/kids/buddies/mistress and what have you, going to finding work arounds for mending the unmendable pc instead of precious time for your life.

I know that man, cause I ve spent more than decade on the other side of the mac, and am still mourning my lost time...
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Originally Posted by Halvri View Post

Anyway, I'm expecting Apple to do something like this to its line-up:

iMacs

20" 2.93GHz Core 2 Duo- $1099
4GB DDR3 RAM
640GB HDD
Nvidia 9600m GT

24" 2.66GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1399
4GB DDR3 RAM
640GB HDD
Nvidia 9600m GT

24" 2.93GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1699
4GB DDR3 RAM
750GB HDD
ATI Radeon 4850

24" 3.06GHz Core i7 Mobile- $1999
4GB DDR3 RAM
1TB HDD
Nvidia GTX285.

Exactly where are you coming up with these mythical Core i7 Mobile processors? There won't be a 3GHz mobile version of the Core i7 for at least another year.

The current mobile chips range from 1.6-2.0 GHz and the top end chip has a list price that's double that of the current 3.06GHz Penryn.

I firmly believe there will never be a Nehalem processor in an iMac, that Apple will wait until Intel moves to the 32nm Westmere chips.

The only Nehalem chip suitable for the current iMac (power draw, cooling requirements) is the L series Xeon processor and the likelihood of Apple using a server chip in the iMac is very low.

Unless they do something completely different with the iMac I don't expect the forthcoming "compelling" features will convince me to buy. I absolutely won't spend money on an iMac that doesn't sport 4 cores, an anti-glare display with LED backlighting, and a user upgradeable hard drive.
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Colours!

That would be great!
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I have the early 2008 MacBook Pro (aluminum, needless to say) which I carry around in a standard Targus computer bag.

I have ZERO dents, scratches, etc. It looks as cool and flawless as the day I bought it.

Little more care, perhaps? Some people are simply not careful with their toys.

I think the bag I bought is not up to the job. It's gotten damaged twice while inside that case. I have no idea how. The big dent happened on a trip to Toronto. I can't for the life of me think of how. Maybe the case got banging against a subway turnstile or something. I really don't know.

The point is... accidents DO happen... no matter how careful you are... and when they do... plastic is a million times more resilient than aluminum. The aluminum is so soft and it doesn't bounce back. One little accident and your baby is looking pretty ugly. I should point out that the damage is to the lid... not the body. The lid is very thin compared to the body. The dent (and scratch) are both on the side of the lid. Not impressed.

Also... in the school environment you can't really expect people to baby their notebook. Students are constantly on the move and the laptop probably ends up in book bags and you name it and gets banged around a lot. It make sense for Apple to keep a cheap, rugged option.

re: "a little more care"... yah... thanks for the tip dude. I also own a 10 year old car... and everyone thinks it's new when they see it. I don't appreciate being told that I don't take care of my stuff. I take great care. Again... accidents happen.
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I'm really hoping that Apple realizes that some folks (such as myself) like netbooks not for the price but for the form factor. I have a Dell Mini 9, and would love it if I could get a "MacBook Mini" or "MacBook Lite" of around the same 9" or 10" form factor. I don't mind paying higher prices than a standard NetBook - (maybe $599 - $799) as long as the performance and design were worth it. Here's to hoping...
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I always thought the white Macs were beautiful both in the iMac and the MacBook. I have one of each of the first intel iterations. I always liked the white offerings from Apple as opposed to the 'pall-bearer gray' and 'funeral black' offerings from HP and Dell. They just seemed fresher and more modern.

Compared to the new MacBooks and new iMacs the white does now look dated, to say the least and of course, there is the important recycling aspect too. The aluminum is my choice now because it is more earth friendly.

I am somewhat surprised Apple is staying with the plastic not only in the MacBook but other units too like their Time Capsules, Extreme routers and mice, for that matter.
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I didn't realize that connecting Macs to one another in the least painful manner was considered a high end legacy feature. Fact is Firewire, still is more feature packed then USB and the road map for development looks a lot better as well. That is why long time Mac users went nuts when Apple temporarily abandoned it. People will notice that Apple made a point of announcing it was back at it's last keynote.

USB and Ethernet do not let users manage various computers as well as Firewire. Firewire will not be sacrificed.

Let us hope that FireWire port is included in the redesigned MacBook.
It is not just a 'high-end' feature. I don't know where 'Appleinsider' decides to pronounce Firewire as a dispensable feature. Sigh.

I've got quite a few FireWire external devices that I wish to continue to use on a (potential) new MacBook. As do many of the folks I work with.

On the positive side, now that availability is up, and (some of) prices have come down on the FireWire 400-to-800 adapters, it is not (to me) a problem to have only the FW 800 (1394b) port and no FW 400 on the computer. (Assuming the computer has the Firewire port).
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Let us hope that FireWire port is included in the redesigned MacBook.
It is not just a 'high-end' feature. I don't know where 'Appleinsider' decides to pronounce Firewire as a dispensable feature. Sigh.

I've got quite a few FireWire external devices that I wish to continue to use on a (potential) new MacBook. As do many of the folks I work with.

On the positive side, now that availability is up, and (some of) prices have come down on the FireWire 400-to-800 adapters, it is not (to me) a problem to have only the FW 800 (1394b) port and no FW 400 on the computer. (Assuming the computer has the Firewire port).

What do you do that you don't think is high end? For seemingly everything outside of professional media, legacy or industrial devices, USB devices are easier to find than the Firewire equivalent.
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

yea some great dell selling points that make real sence
you must love your wife to save $190 on not get a white mb

ha ha charade you are

Exactly... A couple of years ago someone posted, 'if you want to make a 15 year old girl cry this Xmas, buy her an MP3 player that is something other than an iPod.' This said it all and it was funny too.

Soon it will be, 'if you buy your girlfriend/wife something other than an Apple product (iPhone, iPod, MacBook, iMac, etc., etc.) she will think she has a dolt for a boyfriend/husband!
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This is another of those 'we are analysts who watch Apple but have no facts about what Apple will do so this is what we think they will do' rumors.

What I'd like to see them do is drop the price of the aluminum one and get rid of the white plastic ones. The build quality is so much better on the aluminum ones and Apple won't get people going back with cracked shells or worn out palm rests.

It's true that if they don't offer a lower priced model, some people will just go with a PC but if they make a touch tablet that is a full computer, people can hook it up to a big external screen when they want and get a cheap Mac portable.
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