Adobe abandons CS3 legacy support for Apple's Snow Leopard - Page 3

Originally Posted by Jon T

Clearly, there is going to be a run on pirated copies of CS4 after this announcement.

Originally Posted by ccchr

They shouldn't be surprised if people obtain illegal copies of their latest CS4.

Originally Posted by codymr

Then they wonder why people torrent pirated copies of their software.

Originally Posted by MJ Web

Boycott Adobe! Pirate Adobe! Steal Adobe! Hack Adobe! Short Adobe! Never purchase another Adobe product again!

Hey, why should these scumbags support a $1000 program they sold until last year when they can screw their customers? It's time for all of us to screw Adobe royally.

That said, CS3 works as well as CS4 with SL. The punks @ Adobe are trying to trick us into an needless upgrade.

I want us all to bankrupt Adobe!

Originally Posted by jpmuk

I'm ready now to explore some alternatives. Coda for one to replace Dreamweaver. Need to do some investigating...

Originally Posted by Zoolook

I could have gone on... if this level of outcry had been made about the healthcare system, we'd have had universal health-care decades ago. Amazing so many people argue against tax to keep people healthy, but are more than happy to download applications illegally and burden those of us who do pay for them to pick up the tab - BTW, I am not picking on you three, I have no idea what your politic are, but I have seen these comments on almost all of the Mac sites.

If you can't afford something, should you have it? Most people who use CS3 or even CS4 are just kids who think they need a $1000 suite to resize the shitty photos they take on their SLRs they can barely use.

I think what Adobe is doing sucks as well... so, don't use their stuff. There ARE alternatives, some are free.

Originally Posted by mpw

Just as an example, nothing personal:

If I asked you to develope my website, and we agreed on spec and price, and you supplied a product I was happy with; would you feel obliged, when 18months later I update my hardware, or some function of the site, to carry on updating your site because of changes I want to make to the spec? Would you expect to be paid?

Originally Posted by Abster2core

So how much do you think that my car dealer should charge me to upgrade my 1, 2 or 3 year old cars?

Originally Posted by Abster2core

Would you expect a air plane manufacturer to upgrade and support your prop plane instruments with their current jet plane instruments?

Originally Posted by Abster2core

If I recall at the time, you could have upgraded to the CS4 for less than $200 or even nothing. Whatever it was, the difference in price, was more significant than in the increased power and functionality that the new suite offered.

Just how do you expect Adobe to support CS3 on Snow Leopard baffles me. CS3 wasn't programmed for dual core 64-bit processing?

Do you know what "support" means?

Originally Posted by codymr

Actually, I live in Canada so I already have universal health care (which I love dearly BTW). And for the record, I bought my copy of CS4 legally... my point is that for the amount of money the client/customer puts out for Adobe's products, Adobe should show some good will in return, especially since there are inexpensive or even free software that the average user can use as an alternative... this proves that while it is a professional level suite, CS is still way overpriced IMO. And to not offer an update for CS3/OSX 10.6 compatibility, is just stupid... even if you have the market cornered. To my mind, a professional level suite, at a pro price point should = professional level support.

Originally Posted by Morky

If you have any memory of the recent evolution of OS X, Adobe has bent over backwards for this platform:

2000 - 2002: Migration of suite from OS 9 to OS X, a completely new OS.

2005-2006: Migration from PPC/Codeweaver to Universal/Xcode. This required changing not just their code base, but their entire development process, using a yet unproven tool: XCode. They even helped Apple improve XCode during this process.

2008- Sorry, Adobe, we changed our mind: no 64-bit Carbon. This forced Adobe to move their entire suite to Cocoa for CS5.

They are doing a remarkable job keeping up with these changes in the course of their regular upgrade cycle. I think things will finally settle down for them, as there is not much left that Apple can do to them, but they have had a rough nine years supporting a huge, complex suite on the Mac platform. We should all be thankful they didn't give up or simply skip major releases on the Mac.

Originally Posted by John.B

We'll see what happens with CS3 support when Windows 7 is released in October.

Originally Posted by Tofino

oh puh-leaaase!

the only thing adobe has bent over backwards for in the last decade was to suck at the teats of microsoft. their mac software has been transformed from awesome tools for the graphics industry to dreadful mac bloatware that plays second fiddle to windows software. they have abandoned mac users years ago.

i remember adobe bragging that the transition to osx was going to be a breeze and yet they were among the last to ship usable products (quark of course being the last to come around).

my favourite version of illustrator (10) runs smoother, better, faster on an 8-core mac pro than any later version. i'm dreading the day i have to abandon it.

there is no excuse for adobe to treat mac users as second class citizens. WE made them who they are and they repaid us by focusing most of their development on courting the windows consumer market. lets not forget that without apples adoption of postscript for the first laserwriter (several thousand dollars of the price was for the postscript license) adobe would not be where they are. WE are the ones that made photoshop the verb it is today.

now all new versions are windows first and their mac 'ports' are garbage - flash being the posterchild of that trend, but by no means the only one. 64 bit coming to windows years before the mac. don't give me the 'carbon' bullshit - adobe has had ten years to get their ass in gear.

reading in the comments that people have had no issues with CS3 on snow leopard, i agree that this might be a tempest in a tea cup - but the tea is stale and has been for years.

what we need is a new macromedia to give adobe a reason to wake up.

Originally Posted by DocNo42

It's not a direct comparison. Windows 7 is basically Vista with some small improvements and a different shell. The major architecture change happened in Vista already between Vista and XP.

Originally Posted by Abster2core

There is never a justification for pirating software.

Originally Posted by cinder

This announcement is clearly a precursor to the announcement of CS5 and it's main selling point:
"Actually works in Snow Leopard and doesn't suck like CS4: Everything is Flash Edition"

Originally Posted by blur35mm

Umm...there are other more important reasons some of us are upgrading to Snow Leopard besides Photoshop. Final Cut Studio 3 performance improvements anyone? Photoshop CS3 is just a tool that I use in addition to FCS 3. If it stops working, I will seek alternatives until CS5 is out. Not worth it for me to upgrade to CS4.

Originally Posted by macornot

I think the three million other people with the exact same website that we would had built for you bring something to bear here...

Originally Posted by macornot

...No, I would not charge you 1/3 the cost of a new site (in this case a $599 upgrade) to make a cs3 patch...

Originally Posted by spliff monkey

Regarding CS3 it'll work and most likely just fine. Adobe is just not supporting it. Get it? No technical support.

Originally Posted by james808

In my experience, it is very difficult to tell if a product is supported by Adobe or not. Either way, the answer is always "its a font issue" or "its Apple's fault"

Originally Posted by Abster2core

Would you expect a air plane manufacturer to upgrade and support your prop plane instruments with their current jet plane instruments?

Originally Posted by james808

In my experience, it is very difficult to tell if a product is supported by Adobe or not. Either way, the answer is always "its a font issue" or "its Apple's fault"

Originally Posted by Morky

If you have any memory of the recent evolution of OS X, Adobe has bent over backwards for this platform:

2000 - 2002: Migration of suite from OS 9 to OS X, a completely new OS.

2005-2006: Migration from PPC/Codeweaver to Universal/Xcode. This required changing not just their code base, but their entire development process, using a yet unproven tool: XCode. They even helped Apple improve XCode during this process.

2008- Sorry, Adobe, we changed our mind: no 64-bit Carbon. This forced Adobe to move their entire suite to Cocoa for CS5.

They are doing a remarkable job keeping up with these changes in the course of their regular upgrade cycle. I think things will finally settle down for them, as there is not much left that Apple can do to them, but they have had a rough nine years supporting a huge, complex suite on the Mac platform. We should all be thankful they didn't give up or simply skip major releases on the Mac.

Originally Posted by pegarm

Considering how frequently Adobe refreshes their Creative Suite line (they're on an 18 month update cycle) and how much it costs for the upgrades, Adobe is doing their customers a great injustice by not supporting even one generation old software.

Originally Posted by jpmuk


Creative Suite is WAY overpriced for what it offers (very incremental feature increases every 18 months). I bought CS3 as an upgrade to the original CS (missing out CS2) and apart from being Intel native I only noticed very minimal improvements and nothing that helps me be particularly more productive (native speed gain excluded.

Originally Posted by james808

Adobe charges premium upgrade pricing for an endless series of maintenance releases, and very rarely ever releases actual bug fixes in between.

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

CS5 will make me want to open my pocketbook. I look forward to real 64bit support.

Originally Posted by spliff monkey

Don't be so damned smug Blur. FCS 3 is not going to change much performance wise under SL. Obviously you barely use Final Cut. If you are editing broadcast material, movies and/ or commercials you wouldn't upgrade anytime soon, less you risk shutting down the entire editing department for a week. No one in this environment would ever risk that.

I wouldn't count on any hardware drivers for SL to be re-written for at least 6 months as it pertains to Matrox or Black Magic or other hardware manufacturers. My studio just upgraded to Leopard 4 months ago because we were waiting for stable reliable driver packages and a couple of updates from Apple. That's what real businesses do; wait for a controlled, predictable upgrade that's garaunteed not to shut the company down for a few superfluous features that some editing nerds "must Have". God your like a 13 year old kid.

What is it with you bleeding edge types. Relax, it's like you forget we used to do all of this stuff with AVID (expensive), Media 100 (clunky) and Premier (useless). I mean have any of you guys seen a news room? Those guys are still using BETA tapes, Mixers and networks from 1990. There isn't a single firewire cable in sight. Honestly I don't think any of you supposed editors would even know how to hook up a deck to one of these machines.

Regarding CS3 it'll work and most likely just fine. Adobe is just not supporting it. Get it? No technical support. The problem is not that it won't work at all. Since you probably pirated the software anyway (otherwise you'd just upgrade cheapskate) your technical support situation doesn't even change.

Before everyone let's their outrage get out of control, take a look at the upgrade prices. They're cheap and if you can't afford it then perhaps you should take a look at your business model and consider doing something else with you business because an $800 upgrade even for their most expensive "complete" package is hardly outrageous or not affordable for even a small company. We spend more than that in tapes and hard drives in a couple of days.

It's pretty crappy news but kind of predictable given that things are still settling down since the OSX/ Intel paradigm shifts. Things are changing quickly and these guys don't have the resources to support aging standards. Adobe should have just re-written in Cocoa to begin with perhaps but how unhappy would everyone have been with that? LOL

Roll with the punches guys. No one aid you have to upgrade anything, Just wait until you have machines that deserve a new OS and Applications because believe me it's not worth the stress when all you get are a few seconds shaved off your render time, a faster reboot or and fancier ripple dissolve when you close a window.

Originally Posted by blur35mm

Yaaaawwwwnnn.

Originally Posted by blur35mm

Yaaaawwwwnnn.

Originally Posted by spliff monkey

I wouldn't count on any hardware drivers for SL to be re-written for at least 6 months as it pertains to Matrox or Black Magic or other hardware manufacturers. My studio just upgraded to Leopard 4 months ago because we were waiting for stable reliable driver packages and a couple of updates from Apple. That's what real businesses do; wait for a controlled, predictable upgrade that's garaunteed not to shut the company down for a few superfluous features that some editing nerds "must Have". God your like a 13 year old kid.

What is it with you bleeding edge types. Relax, it's like you forget we used to do all of this stuff with AVID (expensive), Media 100 (clunky) and Premier (useless). I mean have any of you guys seen a news room? Those guys are still using BETA tapes, Mixers and networks from 1990. There isn't a single firewire cable in sight. Honestly I don't think any of you supposed editors would even know how to hook up a deck to one of these machines.

Originally Posted by Zoolook

You're a bit of a tool, aren't you?