Apple's Snow Leopard disc will install on Tiger Macs - Page 4

Originally Posted by cmf2

I will concede your point that you have to buy a computer to utilize an operating system, and you can buy one that is capable of running windows for less. I really don't see the point of such a remark though.



I don't have an imac, but I love my MBP (core duo) hardware. Apple includes the little things that make a better experience. Illuminated keyboards, better trackpads, built in bluetooth, stiffer frames, lighter weight, no flimsy tray loading drives, ambient light sensor that auto ajusts brightness, etc, etc. I've also opened up my MBP on a couple occasions (once to replace a fan, macs aren't perfect \ and once to add a larger hard drive), and I was amazed at how well utilized the space was. The mounting setup for the hard dive was pretty cool too, the hard drive floats securely on rubber mounts ensure that the vibrations don't get transfered to the frame and other parts of the laptop. There is definitely a level of attention to detail that I haven't seen elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

It's all the little things, all the little details. Taken for all in all, the widespread desirability of Apple notebooks is not surprising. Plus it's the entire Apple gestalt. Can't be matched by anyone else.

Originally Posted by NOFEER

ok so let me get this straight i have 2 mb on tiger 2 recent imacs on leopard
i can
1. upgrade to SL on all with the 29$ upgrade
2. I don't need the family pac but can use one disk for all???

and i get full SL functionality? including saved disc space?

Originally Posted by anantksundaram

So why didn't you feel compelled to report that to a forum such as AI ages ago, instead of now? Duh?

Originally Posted by ksec

How is this fair to those who spend $129 on Leopard...

Unless someone can give me a figure that less then 5% of Intel based Mac are using Tiger.........

Originally Posted by Ronbo

You have an intel Mac and you're still running 10.4??

Originally Posted by Logisticaldron

I agree with concept of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” even though I much prefer to break things so I can fix it to see how it works, but Leopard was far from being bells and whistles. There were a lot of core foundations that Apple really tackled to make this a great OS over Tiger. However, Snow Leopard takes this to a whole…. ‘notha…. lev’a with core changes. I’m getting sick of some people crying that Apple is charging anything for this service pack that is only bug fixes.

Originally Posted by success

Well if you notice, I'm not reporting it now on AI either. I basically said no kidding it works. This is old news and not surprising. Why wouldn't it install.

It's like saying, 'hey, anantksundram is a troll". I'm not reporting. Merely stating the obvious.

Duh.

Originally Posted by cmason

That was a quote from Walt Mossberg. Obviously he contacted Apple and received this confirmation from them. Hence this article.

Originally Posted by ksec

How is this fair to those who spend $129 on Leopard...

Unless someone can give me a figure that less then 5% of Intel based Mac are using Tiger.........

Originally Posted by bobrik

July 2009: Leopard: 3.42%, Tiger: 1.03%; Source

Originally Posted by JeffDM

I don't mean any offense, but those are vague generalities with no specifics. I read all the articles and I have Leopard on my MBP (came preinstalled), I still run Tiger on my Mac Pro. I really haven't found enough to agree it's worth the time to upgrade. I haven't had any major problems, but I haven't found enough reason to care either. Certainly nowhere near enough that would justify certain other people calling the remaining Tiger users stupid or whatever pejorative that was used.

Originally Posted by cmf2

I will concede your point that you have to buy a computer to utilize an operating system, and you can buy one that is capable of running windows for less. I really don't see the point of such a remark though.

Originally Posted by Chris_CA

Well, it's not obvious that he asked Apple anything, let alone if the $29 upgrade could be installed without Leopard, which is why I asked.

Originally Posted by DJRumpy

I bought a Mac Mini 2 weeks ago which came with 10.5 and the old iLife. I ordered the up-to-date software from Apple for $10. Will that also include the iLife 09 bundle, or will it just include only the OS?

I've never done the up-to-date bit so I'm not sure what it includes. I also can't tell if it's shipped. The apple store just says it will ship on or before Aug 28th. I'm getting impatient when I could just go down to my local Best Buy and pick it up for $29

Originally Posted by cmason

Just the OS.

Originally Posted by Logisticaldron

No offense taken. I don't mean any offense when I say that the info about changes to Leopard over Tiger and Snow Leopard over Leopard is well known. The core changes are pretty dramatic.

Originally Posted by DJRumpy

I bought a Mac Mini 2 weeks ago which came with 10.5 and the old iLife. I ordered the up-to-date software from Apple for $10. Will that also include the iLife 09 bundle, or will it just include only the OS?

I've never done the up-to-date bit so I'm not sure what it includes. I also can't tell if it's shipped. The apple store just says it will ship on or before Aug 28th. I'm getting impatient when I could just go down to my local Best Buy and pick it up for $29

Originally Posted by Chris_CA

Well, it's not obvious that he asked Apple anything, let alone if the $29 upgrade could be installed without Leopard, which is why I asked.

Originally Posted by JeffDM

I'll restate my question then, how do the core changes affect the user? I was hoping for more information than that.



I don't understand why you only got "old iLife". If you bought from apple (rather than third party used/old stock) got iLife 08 then maybe you should take that up with Apple.

Originally Posted by lfmorrison

I think the point is, with most operating systems, it is at least theoretically possible to purchase the legal right to use an operating system totally independently from the act of acquiring and/or assembling the necessary hardware on which to run the operating system.

You can purchase or otherwise acquire the legal right to run the full version of an operating system in one act, and then you can purchase or otherwise bring together all the hardware necessary to run that operating system in a separate act. This is true of most personal-computer-class operating systems.

Alternately, you might be able to acquire the "upgrade" version of most operating systems, and even though it might be technologically possible to install them from scratch on a computer that has never had any previous version of that operating system on it, it would be illegal to do so because you hadn't already acquired the right to use a previous "full version".

On the Mac side of the equation, the only way to acquire the right to use Mac OS X in the first place, is if you purchase it bundled with computer hardware. If you have already assembled the necessary hardware technologically adequate to run Mac OS X, thus eliminating the need to purchase any new hardware, it is impossible to independently acquire the legal right to use Mac OS X. The versions of Mac OS X that you can purchase separately by retail are therefore all effectively "upgrades" for the original version of Mac OS X that came with the initial hardware purchase.

It is impossible to separate the cost of the Mac hardware from the cost of acquiring the legal right to run the initial "full version" of OS X.

Originally Posted by JeffDM

I'll restate my question then, how do the core changes affect the user? I was hoping for more information than that.

Originally Posted by Logisticaldron

You mean like how more powerful and efficient apps utilizing these core changes allow the user to be more productive or how allowing developers to make easy work of these frameworks and core technologies means that the user get a much more powerful app than they would have had in that same amount of coding time?

I’m not really understanding your stance that things like Grand Central Dispatch, OpenCL, CoreAnimation, Quicktime, Quartz and all these other foundations changes are to benefit the user. Just because the user doesn’t understand how they work or even that they exist doesn’t mean that the user isn’t benefiting from them.

Originally Posted by JeffDM

I was asking about Leopard over Tiger, only one of those were involved in that transition. I wonder how many devs are using Core Animation. The efficiency differences between Tiger and Leopard didn't seem to be that great. It's going to be some time before developers can take advantage of the architecture upgrades, the people in the know say that OpenCL and GCD aren't being used by software yet. Snow Leopard seems to have a lot better case going for it than Leopard did, possibly cleaning up a decade's worth of cruft, so it should be good once all those transition kinks are worked out.

Originally Posted by minderbinder

Thank goodness this is finally cleared up (although we really knew yesterday with the story from Spain, although MR totally didn't report about the installation).

Maybe now all the douchebags who insisted that it absolutely wouldn't install without 10.5 already on the disk ("but it's an UPGRADE"!) based on absolutely nothing but their own hunches and wild speculation will learn to keep their yaps shut instead of trying to pass off their worthless opinions as fact.

But probably not.

Doubt we'll even see most of them admit they were wrong on this one. But here's your chance.

Originally Posted by DJRumpy

I bought a Mac Mini 2 weeks ago which came with 10.5 and the old iLife. I ordered the up-to-date software from Apple for $10. Will that also include the iLife 09 bundle, or will it just include only the OS?

I've never done the up-to-date bit so I'm not sure what it includes. I also can't tell if it's shipped. The apple store just says it will ship on or before Aug 28th. I'm getting impatient when I could just go down to my local Best Buy and pick it up for $29

Originally Posted by hillstones

I bought a new iMac last June (last year's 2008 clearance model) and it had iLife '09 (Drop in CPU) DVD. Guess your Mac Mini must have been sitting on a shelf for a very long time. The up to date program for Mac OS X is for OS X only. It does not include iLife.

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

Reviving this thread with the question about whether the up-to-date Snow Leopard disc is the same as the full retail version. If not, what are the differences (specifically) based on actual experiences?

Originally Posted by solipsism

The full retail version comes with iWork and iLife. Outside of that the only differences between the versions is the EULA where you are allowed to install it on a machine without Leopard on it and how many machines you are allowed to install it on.

Originally Posted by solipsism

The full retail version comes with iWork and iLife. Outside of that the only differences between the versions is the EULA where you are allowed to install it on a machine without Leopard on it and how many machines you are allowed to install it on.

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

I thought only the box set came with iWork and iLife. I'm comparing the $9.95 up-to-date disc for Snow Leopard to the $29 retail version.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Gotcha. I thought that is what you meant.

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

And the answer is...

Originally Posted by solipsism

I don’t know as I haven’t gotten my hands on one of those discs. I’ll be buying a new Mac when they are updated but they’ll have machine specific discs by then. Posting these types of technical questions tend to get better results on sites like MacOSXHints.com.

Originally Posted by DJRumpy

The up-to-date disc contains only the core OS for $9.99, as does the $29 version retail version of 10.6. It does not include iLife. The Boxed set is $129.00 and includes iLife and iWork.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MAC_OS_X_SNGL