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post #1 of 31
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I just read that Robin Ventura was traded to the Yankees for David Justice. What do you all think about the trade?

I think it was an interesting deal. Both players had bad years and are overpriced. It should be interesting to watch Ventura play at Yankee Stadium and same for Justice to play at Shea.
post #2 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>I just read that Robin Ventura was traded to the Yankees for David Justice. What do you all think about the trade?

I think it was an interesting deal. Both players had bad years and are overpriced. It should be interesting to watch Ventura play at Yankee Stadium and same for Justice to play at Shea.</strong><hr></blockquote>

hmm...i couldnt care less
i hate both NY teams--having them play eachother in the WS 2 years ago was terrible.
the only thing worth watching was clemens throwing that bat at pizza boy--2 of my least favorite players in the game. ones an a**hole, the others a steroid pumped freak.
and both teams have way too much money to throw around...
the big market teams are destroying this game...
at least the yanks are doing a good job when they throw around money--they win games.
OTOH, teams like the rangers and dodgers are just cr*p--they screw up the whole financial system AND they suck. and then theres the Dbacks, who only win because they throw around money and MLB bails them out when they dont have enuff so they can buy even more players--what a joke...
i always root for the underdog. so once again, next season, go A's, go Giants, go Expos marlins, and twins (if theyre around...), etc. all the big spenders can kiss my a**. theyre ruining the best game ever invented (IMNSHO).
but i will always be a baseball fan...that game raised me.

u wanna watch real baseball? watch a minor league game--they play for the love of it, not fer the damn money, like most pros..............
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post #3 of 31
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post #4 of 31
[quote]hmm...i couldnt care less
i hate both NY teams--having them play eachother in the WS 2 years ago was terrible.
the only thing worth watching was clemens throwing that bat at pizza boy--2 of my least favorite players in the game. ones an a**hole, the others a steroid pumped freak.<hr></blockquote>

I'm guessing you meant Clemens is the asshole. He may have some rough points but in reality he is a pretty awesome man, especially with the way he takes care of his mother who has been sick for years.

If you mean Piazza is a steroid pumped freak then I dn't care. He's a Met. But he also iss a very cool guy.

[quote]and both teams have way too much money to throw around...
the big market teams are destroying this game...
at least the yanks are doing a good job when they throw around money--they win games.<hr></blockquote>

the Yankees do not throw money around. they have had very few big player buys in the last 5 years. The reason their payroll is so high is because they resigned all their core team year after year. Think about it, the only major aquisations they have made in the last few years were, Clemens, Mussina, and in a way Justice and now possibly Giambi.. Tell me how that is "throwing money around" and ruining baseball. resigning your team for the future and "buying" 2 pitchers.

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u wanna watch real baseball? watch a minor league game--they play for the love of it, not fer the damn money, like most pros.............. <hr></blockquote>

LOL. NOT FOR THE MONEY!?

Most minor leager's are getting million dollar signing bonuses out of high school and college these days. give me a break. the only ones that really love the game are the veterans of the minor leagues who know they have no shot at pro ball anymore.
post #5 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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LOL. NOT FOR THE MONEY!?

Most minor leager's are getting million dollar signing bonuses out of high school and college these days. give me a break. the only ones that really love the game are the veterans of the minor leagues who know they have no shot at pro ball anymore.</strong><hr></blockquote>

exactly--but overall, most of the players in minor leagues games arent the ones signing those huge contracts--every game has maybe 1 or 2 players on it who have a realistic shot at making it big...especially at the lower levels of the system. i remember when i used to go to watch the San Bernadino Quakes, a Padres affiliate. those were probably some of the most enjoyable games ive ever seen. the fans were so into the game, and it was dirt cheap to watch. u could see the love of the game in the players eyes, and how hard they were trying. most of them were just a little bit better than i was at the time, so i could relate to how they were playing. i remember watchin ben davis, who is now in the pros, and how different everyone treated him. most of the fans didnt like him because of his big contract. who the fans really loved and appreciated was every other player on the field--they tried so much harder, cause they knew they didnt have much of a shot. that is baseball at one of the purest forms u can find today.
and when u say "most" are signed to million dollar contracts, give me a break--only a handful get contracts like that...and guess what. theyre by the big teams, like the yanks--remember JD Drew w/ the phils? small teams cant even afford to sign players in a draft for God sake...
the systems falling apart..........
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post #6 of 31
oh, and the issue w/ the yanks--yes, i already said that they were good at running their team. however, what i dislike most about how they run things is how they constantly sign players just so noone else can--how many freakin pitchers can one team have??? getting el duque, clemens, and mussina so noone else can have em. they sign players even when they dont need em...


but they are good w/ their minor league system, for which they have my respect. and they are able to retain those players w/ all that money floating around, which other teams cannot do...
and still they have extra money to go and buy even other teams best players...
they have a surplus in talent, and i dont see that changing anytime soon.

but i understand where yer coming from--its simple bias, which is why arguing w/ u is pointless--theres a cover that u wont let yerself see through...

oh well...
but cant wait til next season,
always rootin fer the underdogs
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post #7 of 31
take away Clemens or Mussina and the Yankees lose the first series in the playoffs. they had the perfect balance of a team. now they need to balance it again with offense.
post #8 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>take away Clemens or Mussina and the Yankees lose the first series in the playoffs. they had the perfect balance of a team. now they need to balance it again with offense.</strong><hr></blockquote>

all that money, and all those big names and still they cant dominate...

btw, i still cant believe they beat the As...
it was painful to watch...oh well...

also, the As are the ideal system in terms of how a team is created--95% out of the farm--so much talent on that team...
7 or 8 of the players in that lineup are superstars, or will be soon.
and the best starting rotation in the pros--EVERY ONE OF THEM OUT OF THE FARM
can the yanks say that??? i think pettittes the only one out of their farm, am i right...?
i love it.
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post #9 of 31
The D'Backs wone because they built a team for a single season, but that's just the point. The Yankees have so much money to throw around, they can be on top every single season. That's not fair, and Selig is an idiot.

Gee, the Twins and Expos had no fans, but the MLB has seen 4 expansion teams in recent years...The Devil Rays and Marlins have barely a following as it is.

See the NFL for how a sports league should be run. Long live the NFL.
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post #10 of 31
I hate trading with the Mets, but Justice really pissed me off last season, so I'm not exactly sad to see him go.

As for the whole big/small market debate, I think the owners need to reel themselves in. It's the owners who drive up salaries and us dumb schmucks who subsidize their stupidity.
post #11 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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all that money, and all those big names and still they cant dominate...
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BIG NAMES!? with the exception of Jeter and maybe Williams the Yankees have no "bigname" players. both from the yankee farm system btw. they have well rounded players. they go for bigname pitchers when they have a chance.

can't dominate?

guess you missed the past 5 baseball seasons huh. I guess you missed 3 in a row and possibly the best ball club ever put together in 1998. Guess you missed the team with the most perfect games/no hitters in the last 6 years. Guess you missed the team that struggled and was the underdog in each series this year with struggling players yet came 1 out away from the world series. even the yankees on a bad day were nearly good enough to win the world series.

but they aren't dominate

[quote]and the best starting rotation in the pros--EVERY ONE OF THEM OUT OF THE FARM
can the yanks say that??? i think pettittes the only one out of their farm, am i right...?
i love it. <hr></blockquote>

in a way the A's have a great GM and in a way they have the best luck a team could ever have. don't think this is all supposed to happen. its pure luck that all their starting pitcher prospects turned out to be stellar.

The Yankees on the otherhand have had no luck at all with starting pitching prospects with the exception of Pettite.

BTW, those A's of yours are sure gonna suck bigtime once Giambi is outta there. there goes a man on base 1 out of every 2.5 at bats, 40+ homeruns and 100 and something RBIs.
post #12 of 31
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[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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all that money, and all those big names and still they cant dominate...
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How can you say they don't dominate? I wish they wouldn't, but they do. And like applenut said, they really don't have big names besides Clemens, Mussina, Jeter, and soon Giambi.
post #13 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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How can you say they don't dominate? I wish they wouldn't, but they do. And like applenut said, they really don't have big names besides Clemens, Mussina, Jeter, and soon Giambi.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i was referring to this past season--i believe they had the worst record for AL post season teams, and barely squeezed past the As...
i hardly think that barely winning series makes them dominant...oh yeah, and they lost in the world series--dominant teams dont lose series'
maybe if they swept every team through the post season, but what they did was NOT dominant this season. sh*t, the As almost got them out in the first round, but the yanks got lucky. oh btw, the As had the best shot at stopping their streak, and guess what??? the yanks are buying their best player, thus taking away a competitor...
so yet again, indirectly, they are buying a way past another team and another potential threat next season...
yes, they won fairly easily before this past series, but i wasnt talking about that, now was i?

maybe if u read the context of my post u wouldnt make assumptions and this would actually be a good conversation...

oh, and bernie williams, tino martinez, paul o'neill, chuck knoblach (sp?), el duque, david justice, etc ARENT big names??? wtf???? just cause theyre all old and washed up after playing for the yanks doesnt mean they arent big names. williams is an above average center fielder, so dont tell me hes not a big name, cause hes yer big run producer. martinez was very productive, even though unnoticed, and is getting old. same thing w/ o'neil. knoblach used to be a great player til he got to the yanks...but is still another big name. el duque they bought from cuba, and was awesome fer a couple years--dont know about now, though... david justice was a great player...but once again, somehow going to the yanks makes great players suck...go figure...
and im sure im missing some--but im point is, dont tell me that the yanks dont have big names--oh and i fergot about mariano rivera.............
just cause they ONLY have 4 big names in their starting rotation doesnt qualify for getting my pity. they are loaded w/ big names--they always have been, so please spare me how poor off u guys are...
go to any other team, and they have maybe 1 or 2 superstars to work from, and sometimes even compete (ala SF giants).
i have absolutely no pity for what the yanks have to work w/.
dont treat me like i dont know what im talking about, cause i do, and i know exactly what the situation is over in NY--they have a lot of money to throw around, and never hesitate to buy a player--how many other teams dont even hesitate for Gods sake???
as long as that attitude is around, other teams are stuck fighting for the table scraps that the yanks happen to not want for some reason...

but hey, theyre a bunch of scrubs too right? w/ no big names...

give me a break...
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post #14 of 31
[quote]the Yankees do not throw money around. they have had very few big player buys in the last 5 years. The reason their payroll is so high is because they resigned all their core team year after year. Think about it, the only major aquisations they have made in the last few years were, Clemens, Mussina, and in a way Justice and now possibly Giambi.. Tell me how that is "throwing money around" and ruining baseball. resigning your team for the future and "buying" 2 pitchers.<hr></blockquote>

What is the difference between going out and getting high priced players, and giving your current players boatloads of cash to stay when their contracts are up? Christ, most teams can't afford to keep players that reach their prime when it's time to renegotiate their contracts... unless you've got the bottomless pot of cash the Yankees do that is.

And to say that the Yankees don't have many big name players? That's just stupid.

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[quote]Originally posted by murbot:
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What is the difference between going out and getting high priced players, and giving your current players boatloads of cash to stay when their contracts are up? Christ, most teams can't afford to keep players that reach their prime when it's time to renegotiate their contracts... unless you've got the bottomless pot of cash the Yankees do that is.

And to say that the Yankees don't have many big name players? That's just stupid.

[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: murbot ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

exactly--ty murbot, u put it much better than i did.
simple is better, no?

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post #16 of 31
Ventura replaces Brosius for the Yanks. Justice was expendable. As for Giambi, he might not go to NY. He likes playing first and it's not at all clear that he'd be NY's every day firstbaseman. He could wind up dhing more than he'd like. They were talking about this on ESPN radio the other day. Someone made the observation that if Giambi was such a lock to be going to the Yanks the deal would already be done.

I'm just waiting to find out who will be the Red Sox' new owners so they can get on with dumping Duquette.
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post #17 of 31
[quote]i was referring to this past season--i believe they had the worst record for AL post season teams, and barely squeezed past the As...<hr></blockquote>

baseball is a game of inches and millseconds. barely is good enough to beat a team. I laugh when people say a team isn't good because they "barely" beat another team. they are the ones who just don't get it.

[quote]i hardly think that barely winning series makes them dominant...oh yeah, and they lost in the world series--dominant teams dont lose series'<hr></blockquote>

well see... I could go by your logic... "they barely lossed" or I could say that the DBacks were the better team and Rivera screwed up for the first time in 4 years. congrats to the DBacks they beat our best guy. now you're defending a team who HAS bought every player on their team. and who buys up big names.

but my money is on the DBacks being no where near the world series next year

[quote]oh btw, the As had the best shot at stopping their streak, and guess what??? the yanks are buying their best player, thus taking away a competitor...
so yet again, indirectly, they are buying a way past another team and another potential threat next season...<hr></blockquote>

they are buying him out?
1.) the A's have a huge advantage that Giambi wants to stay there but they don't want to pay. if the A's don't give him money he'll go somewhere else. the Yankees aren't the only ones lookin at him. there are 4 other teams in talks
2.) The Yankee dropped a TON of payroll with the departure of Brosius, Martinez, Justice, O'Neil and Knoblauch. Now you consider those 5 guys "bignames" so how is it bad to "buy" one bigname for those 5?

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oh, and bernie williams, tino martinez, paul o'neill, chuck knoblach (sp?), el duque, david justice, etc ARENT big names??? wtf????<hr></blockquote>

Knobluach? definitely not
el Duque? definitely not
Williams? yes, from farm team
David Justice? not a yankee anymore and not a bigname last year for sure
O'Neil? was never a bigname player. he was an above average player but he's not the player that kids out of NY buy jeresey's off and either are any of the other yankees except for maybe Jeter, Clemens, and Williams.


stop being dumb. that last half of your post makes it seem like you were abused by the Yankees as a kid or something... very strange


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[quote]What is the difference between going out and getting high priced players, and giving your current players boatloads of cash to stay when their contracts are up? Christ, most teams can't afford to keep players that reach their prime when it's time to renegotiate their contracts... unless you've got the bottomless pot of cash the Yankees do that is.<hr></blockquote>

yea, right. most teams put the money in the wrong places or their owner is an ass.

Look at the Orioles. they have a huge payrolll but suck. money doesn't neccessarily make a good team.

[quote]And to say that the Yankees don't have many big name players? That's just stupid.<hr></blockquote>

is it? read my response above. it isn't stupid
post #18 of 31
did u even read my post???
ok, lemme go through this again cause yer dense bias has desensitized u...

when i said they "barely," i was referring to how dominant they weren't. get it??? they WERE NOT dominant--u missed my point yet again...
and i wasnt defending the dbacks, cause believe it or not, they are worse than the yanks in my book--but above the dogs, rangers and Os...cause at least they made it to the show.

ok, those players--ill go through this yet again

knoblach (sp?)--he was a big name player--i remember how when the yanks got him, everyone was saying that the yanks were gonna dominate even more. just cause he sucks now doesnt mean that he wasnt good at one point.
el duque--a very good pitcher a few years ago. u remember that?? apparently not, cause yet again u only address how things are now...im looking at the big picture here, not a one-dimensional view that u seem to be stuck in...
williams--yes, and i never said he wasnt from the farm. but yet again, they have that money to throw around to keep the big names, which most other teams cant even think of doing.
justice--again another big name when he came to NY, but apparently u seem stuck and wont even consider that he was a big name...
o'neill--well when u have so many big players on one team, some people are gonna be overshadowed, even though theyd be one of the big names on most other teams...

tell me something--how many teams have as many quality starting pitchers as the yanks??? i can only think of one--the As...
the difference is that the yanks bought all of theirs...

dont call me dumb til u actually have some points that show that u have some bit of intelligence to back up yer bias-based shallow arguments.

oh yeah, just cause yer spoiled over there doesnt mean that every other team can buy anyone for any price. over here in houston, we have these things called limits--which means that we work w/ what we have...we cant sign all of our freeagents, cause we cant afford to...so some leave. the yanks can sign anyone they want.
so dont compare other teams to yer yanks, cause we dont have the cash to do whatever we want. if we have a hole in our lineup, we go as low as AA to find someone, anyone to help out. we dont just automatically run around and shop fer someone to take his place. did u know that our starting rotation last season was made up of 4 AA and AAA minor leaguers going into the post season?? and yet still managed the best record in baseball...

and yes, yer line about no big names is very stupid--look around the big leagues...
there arent many teams that can field as many stars as the yanks. and when one leaves, big deal. just go find another one...
moneys not an issue, as always.
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post #19 of 31
Oh man, Alliance your a Houston fan? Now it all makes perfect sense. Don't you realize that the Yanks and Astros could swap their entire teams and Houston still wouldn't make it to the World Series cause they are cursed!
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[quote]Originally posted by trick fall:
<strong>Oh man, Alliance your a Houston fan? Now it all makes perfect sense. Don't you realize that the Yanks and Astros could swap their entire teams and Houston still wouldn't make it to the World Series cause they are cursed!</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah, well look at the stadium here...
Even I can hit a freakin homerun in this playground! its a joke
at least we got a new manager this year--dierker was pissing me off w/ all his bonehead decisions...what an idiot.

actually, im more of a Giants fan, so its even worse
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post #21 of 31
LOL, it's not clear that Giambi is going to wear pinstripes next season? Gimme a break. Giambi's not going to pass up that kind of cash.

I just hope to god Barry Bonds is willing to take a pay-cut to stick with SF. He's a native son after all. He grew up in SF. His father was a Giant. Willie Mays is a his friggin' godfather...and by god if he stays and if the Giants can get one decent pitcher, they'll be sailing to next year's play-offs.
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>LOL, it's not clear that Giambi is going to wear pinstripes next season? Gimme a break. Giambi's not going to pass up that kind of cash.

I just hope to god Barry Bonds is willing to take a pay-cut to stick with SF. He's a native son after all. He grew up in SF. His father was a Giant. Willie Mays is a his friggin' godfather...and by god if he stays and if the Giants can get one decent pitcher, they'll be sailing to next year's play-offs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

hey eugene, u a Gs fan??
sweet
how do u like it up there in frisco? i almost went to berkeley--used to live in san jose...
i think w/ ortiz, reuter, estes, and hernandez, they are ok, but not great--just hope they can keep schmitt (sp?).
as of now, w/ out barry, they have no offense. last year, he was their offense--kinda sickening...
we need another outfielder and starting pitcher...but dont see anything big happening...
oh well, i dont care
just wish the season would hurry up and start

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post #23 of 31
[quote]ok, lemme go through this again cause yer dense bias has desensitized u...<hr></blockquote>

MY dense bias!? LOL. you're the one with apparant personal problems with the Yankees.

[quote] to how dominant they weren't. get it??? they WERE NOT dominant--u missed my point yet again...<hr></blockquote>

no, got that right. their offense sucked. their core club got too old and forgot how to hit. it didn't help that
1.) they couldn't hit
2.) they faced the toughest pitching they have in 2 series this year than they did since the 96 braves.

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knoblach (sp?)--he was a big name player--i remember how when the yanks got him, everyone was saying that the yanks were gonna dominate even more. just cause he sucks now doesnt mean that he wasnt good at one point.
el duque--a very good pitcher a few years ago. u remember that?? apparently not, cause yet again u only address how things are now...im looking at the big picture here, not a one-dimensional view that u seem to be stuck in...
williams--yes, and i never said he wasnt from the farm. but yet again, they have that money to throw around to keep the big names, which most other teams cant even think of doing.
justice--again another big name when he came to NY, but apparently u seem stuck and wont even consider that he was a big name...
o'neill--well when u have so many big players on one team, some people are gonna be overshadowed, even though theyd be one of the big names on most other teams...<hr></blockquote>

I guess we just disagree with what classifies a "bigname" player. Bigname player in my book is like I said, a player who's jersey is worn by kids our of the team's area. ie: Jeter, Griffey Jr., Bonds, McGwire, Ichiro, Sosa, Garciaparra, Johnson, Clemens, P. Martinez, etc. the Yankees don't have many of those kind of players besides Jeter, Williams, and Clemens. do you not agree?

el duque definitely IS NOT classified a bigname player. you may have a case with the other ones based on what you think a bigname player is but el Duque was never more than a number 3-4 starter and on most other teams wouldn't be higher than that either.

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tell me something--how many teams have as many quality starting pitchers as the yanks??? i can only think of one--the As...
the difference is that the yanks bought all of theirs...<hr></blockquote>

the Yankees bought Pettite and the scrubs who filled in the "5 role all year? the Yankees went and TRADED for Clemens. They "bought" Mussina.

and do you not know of the Mariners and Braves for stellar pitching staffs?

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dont call me dumb til u actually have some points that show that u have some bit of intelligence to back up yer bias-based shallow arguments.<hr></blockquote>

you're not dumb, you have some serious problems.

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oh yeah, just cause yer spoiled over there doesnt mean that every other team can buy anyone for any price. over here in houston, we have these things called limits--which means that we work w/ what we have...we cant sign all of our freeagents, cause we cant afford to...so some leave. the yanks can sign anyone they want.<hr></blockquote>

Houston's owner is the cause for that. it's all a matter of how much profits the owner wants. Houston has over 3,000,000 attendance every year. don't tell me you can't spend the same. that's BS. they choose not to.

[quote]so dont compare other teams to yer yanks, cause we dont have the cash to do whatever we want. if we have a hole in our lineup, we go as low as AA to find someone, anyone to help out. we dont just automatically run around and shop fer someone to take his place. did u know that our starting rotation last season was made up of 4 AA and AAA minor leaguers going into the post season?? and yet still managed the best record in baseball...<hr></blockquote>

great, that's not at all bias
post #24 of 31
ok, start w/ big name players--if thats yer definition, ok ill work w/ u. based on that, most teams dont even have 1, let alone the 3 u listed on the yankees. glad we agree that u still have more than everyone else. so whats yer point again...?

next point.
the braves have what, 2 good pitchers left? the mariners have some good arms too (most from the houston system btw ). however, they dont have the depth in the starting staff that the yankees or As do. oh, and the As had a crappy bullpen, which was a mariners a yankee strength.

the reason most teams dont have so much money to play w/ is cause maybe the owner isnt someone who has that much money at his disposal. dont say that the other owners dont know how to run the business, cause that just cr*p. the yankees get alot of ther money from the tv contracts and many other things cause NY is a great spot for a team to play. theres just more money to work w/ cause of the city.
so we cant spend the same--if we do, the owner loses money, which is why houston, and most other teams, has limits. steinbrenner (sp?) has more to work w/, its simple as that. get it? oh btw, we've only had attendance that high this year--before we got this new stadium, we had about 25k per game...which aint much to work w/ there...

and yes, i have serious problems, cause i see things as they are...that makes sense...
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post #25 of 31
My eyes are getting sore reading this thread...

applenut you are right

I am wrong

how could I ever doubt you...

Just forget it and start watching hockey you guys, it is the best game in the world after all.
post #26 of 31
Thread Starter 
[quote]Originally posted by murbot:
<strong>My eyes are getting sore reading this thread...

applenut you are right

I am wrong

how could I ever doubt you...
</strong><hr></blockquote>

murbot, you thought anyone else was gunna win. I think everyone here knows that once applenut gets started on a specific thing no one else will ever win the argument.
post #27 of 31
I don't know if it's "winning" as much as continuing to post until everyone else gets tired of arguing the same thing over and over again.

I'm done, we'll see how long the other guys want to keep whipping a dead horse...
post #28 of 31
Thread Starter 
[quote]Originally posted by murbot:
<strong>I don't know if it's "winning" as much as continuing to post until everyone else gets tired of arguing the same thing over and over again.

I'm done, we'll see how long the other guys want to keep whipping a dead horse...</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's exactly why I haven't posted in this thread as much as I normally would've.
post #29 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>

That's exactly why I haven't posted in this thread as much as I normally would've.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah well im a stubborn SOB and so is applenut...
however, i dont like his opinions on this thread, so i think ill stick through it

actually, i dont like his opinions on most threads... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

oh well
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post #30 of 31
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[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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yeah well im a stubborn SOB and so is applenut...
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? I would never have been able to tell
post #31 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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Really? I would never have been able to tell </strong><hr></blockquote>

i know, right?

sh*t, normally im just a conformist and dont ask questions...
just let powertrips like applenut take control everything cause he's always right...
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