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Will base Mini ever get 2Gb RAM?

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I'm surprised Apple hasn't quietly bumped up the base RAM on the Mini to 2Gb. Its ridiculous to have any computer come with only 1Gb RAM, IMO
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I guess it's eventual. Eventually the mini will go away and they'll have some portable system that takes over the role of a mini. In short:

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It'll get four gigs of RAM if you pop it open and upgrade the memory yourself.
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Its too bad Apple ignores the product. For people like me that dislike all in ones the Mini has a lot going for it.
Would 4 Gb RAM make a big difference over 2Gb on performance?
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Its too bad Apple ignores the product. For people like me that dislike all in ones the Mini has a lot going for it.
Would 4 Gb RAM make a big difference over 2Gb on performance?

Not if all you do is browse the web and run Office. If you use the mini for Photoshop and other professional apps... maybe. Probably.
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Not if all you do is browse the web and run Office. If you use the mini for Photoshop and other professional apps... maybe. Probably.

Yeh, I mainly browse the web and watch some video clips, use word. No photoshop.
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Yeh, I mainly browse the web and watch some video clips, use word. No photoshop.

2 GB should be good enough for that load. When you do start to get a lag, restart.
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2 GB should be good enough for that load. When you do start to get a lag, restart.

Thanks. I guess I'll order the base Mini with 2Gb then. Just waiting to make sure 10.6 is preloaded. I was hoping they would bump up the base RAM but Im tired of waiting and its just $60 more anyway.
Now, what monitor to get? I don't need anything bigger than a 17 inch LCD but most are 19 inch now. I really dont want widescreen either. Decisions decisions.
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Yeh, I mainly browse the web and watch some video clips, use word. No photoshop.

For that workload you should be fine. Snow Leopard ideally will be even better. The problem or maybe issue is that RAM is dirt cheap right now, so honestly if you are thinking about an upgrade from 1GB I'd max the machine out.

Better yet if you haven't gotten the machine yet wait a bit for the new machines to come out. I would expect a Mini rev before Christmas. Ideally that machine would be built around a new archetecture. If not the most likely way for Apple to spruce up the machine for the holidays is a memory rev.


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Thanks. I guess I'll order the base Mini with 2Gb then. Just waiting to make sure 10.6 is preloaded. I was hoping they would bump up the base RAM but Im tired of waiting and its just $60 more anyway.
Now, what monitor to get? I don't need anything bigger than a 17 inch LCD but most are 19 inch now. I really dont want widescreen either. Decisions decisions.

You may not want one but the old ratio screens are getting harder and harder to come by. This has even become a problem at work where to large of a screen takes up to much room at the various workstations around the plant.

However for your usage I'm surprised you don't want a wide screen. I find the work better for web access, E-Mail and the like. You do have to buy what seems like a fairly large monitor, but then you realize the ratio flatens out the diagonal a bit. Either way I must say the bigger screens will grow on you.

I'm not sure why you have a rush to buy, but that $60 could go to a lot more RAM if you are inclined to install it yourself. Apple has gotten slightly better but buying RAM from them is expensive. You are paying $60 bucks for what amounts to $15 worth of RAM. Like all Apple products the other thing you need to realize is that the older the rev the worst the value at the time of purchase. This due to Apple keeping it's pricing steady as component costs drop.


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For that workload you should be fine. Snow Leopard ideally will be even better. The problem or maybe issue is that RAM is dirt cheap right now, so honestly if you are thinking about an upgrade from 1GB I'd max the machine out.

Better yet if you haven't gotten the machine yet wait a bit for the new machines to come out. I would expect a Mini rev before Christmas. Ideally that machine would be built around a new archetecture. If not the most likely way for Apple to spruce up the machine for the holidays is a memory rev.


Dave

Do you really think Apple is going to revise the Mini? If they are I can certainly wait a few months. They seem to ignore the machine more than update it.

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You may not want one but the old ratio screens are getting harder and harder to come by. This has even become a problem at work where to large of a screen takes up to much room at the various workstations around the plant.

However for your usage I'm surprised you don't want a wide screen. I find the work better for web access, E-Mail and the like. You do have to buy what seems like a fairly large monitor, but then you realize the ratio flatens out the diagonal a bit. Either way I must say the bigger screens will grow on you.

I'm not sure why you have a rush to buy, but that $60 could go to a lot more RAM if you are inclined to install it yourself. Apple has gotten slightly better but buying RAM from them is expensive. You are paying $60 bucks for what amounts to $15 worth of RAM. Like all Apple products the other thing you need to realize is that the older the rev the worst the value at the time of purchase. This due to Apple keeping it's pricing steady as component costs drop.


Dave

I never liked widescreens. I would rather see more horizontally than vertically, they never seemed to make sense to me other than for movies. But, I'm sure I can get used to it.
As for the RAM, I'm not into messing with computers that weren't made to be upgraded, the Mini is a pain to open.
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Do you really think Apple is going to revise the Mini? If they are I can certainly wait a few months. They seem to ignore the machine more than update it.

Well you know Apple!!!! A small bump for the Christmas shopping season would seem to be the minimal they would do. No Guarantees of course. There is also an outside chance of going to an improved CPU.

I'm actually hoping Apple is over ignoring the Mini.
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I never liked widescreens. I would rather see more horizontally than vertically, they never seemed to make sense to me other than for movies. But, I'm sure I can get used to it.
As for the RAM, I'm not into messing with computers that weren't made to be upgraded, the Mini is a pain to open.

Do you mean see more vertically? I guess it depends on what you are doing at the moment. I've grown to appreciate wide screens, for some things like programming it is a big gain. You avoid wraps of long lines and the resulting confusion.

Obviously the screen is a personal taste and has to key to your work style. I do find though that the more pixels up there the better.

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I'm sure I can get used to the widescreens, and from what I see I have to because almost everything is wide now. The one thing that I have to make sure of is that the case around the screen is not shiny. I hate glare.
Any thoughts on which monitor to buy?
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EIZO is one of the best brands out there now. They have really high end screens down to very budget business class screens.
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EIZO is one of the best brands out there now. They have really high end screens down to very budget business class screens.

Thanks, I'll look into them. I'm also considering Acer, Samsung, NEC and Viewsonic.
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I'm sure I can get used to the widescreens, and from what I see I have to because almost everything is wide now. The one thing that I have to make sure of is that the case around the screen is not shiny. I hate glare.
Any thoughts on which monitor to buy?

at work we buy all sorts of monitors. Many ELO Touch screens, recently screens from Planar. There are other models in there too. Really though for personal use it pays to view the screen up front and live. It is the only way to get a personal feel for the display.


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do i need to look for a certain response time, etc? I want video playback to be smooth.
I also don't want a real high resolution , Im getting old I dont dig small type!
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do i need to look for a certain response time, etc? I want video playback to be smooth.

Unfortunately I do very little with Video so you have to take my answers with a grain of salt. My Mac Book Pro has a nice no reflective screen that does OK for video viewing. Take that as a non professional and very casual users opinion. However I do get a sense that a glossy screen might be better for delivering video. Interestingly SL on my MBP has the screen looking better, which I now understand was a gamma adjustment that Apple made with the upgrade.

As to specs that is really hard to nail down as the various manufacturing methods leap frog each other and the questionable tech info supplied be the manufactures. There are only a few things you can really do. One is to find reviews you trust to read, talk to friends that use their PCs in similar ways and lastly check a few out at a retailer.

Now all of that being said LED backlight LCDs can be awesome.
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I also don't want a real high resolution , Im getting old I dont dig small type!

Oh man do I understand this one!!!!! The bad news is that to solve this problem you have to buy a bigger display. This mostly due to many monitors using the same screens that would be going into HDTVs. Since there are two common wide screen resolutions the only way to bigger type is to go to a bigger screen or to drive it with lower resolution signal. I'd be very careful about using a non native resolution as some displays do this better than others.



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Unfortunately I do very little with Video so you have to take my answers with a grain of salt. My Mac Book Pro has a nice no reflective screen that does OK for video viewing. Take that as a non professional and very casual users opinion. However I do get a sense that a glossy screen might be better for delivering video. Interestingly SL on my MBP has the screen looking better, which I now understand was a gamma adjustment that Apple made with the upgrade.

As to specs that is really hard to nail down as the various manufacturing methods leap frog each other and the questionable tech info supplied be the manufactures. There are only a few things you can really do. One is to find reviews you trust to read, talk to friends that use their PCs in similar ways and lastly check a few out at a retailer.

Now all of that being said LED backlight LCDs can be awesome.


Oh man do I understand this one!!!!! The bad news is that to solve this problem you have to buy a bigger display. This mostly due to many monitors using the same screens that would be going into HDTVs. Since there are two common wide screen resolutions the only way to bigger type is to go to a bigger screen or to drive it with lower resolution signal. I'd be very careful about using a non native resolution as some displays do this better than others.



Dave

Thank you for the info, very helpful. I just joined Costco since they have a very liberal return policy so I may just try one and see if I like it. Of course, first I have to spring for the Mini!
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Thank you for the info, very helpful. I just joined Costco since they have a very liberal return policy so I may just try one and see if I like it. Of course, first I have to spring for the Mini!

As for the Mini I wouldn't hold my breath. Apple neglected the Mini for about 2 years before they revamped it in March.
But as Wizard said: We are talking about Apple - You never know!
For your use the current Mini should more than enough. I bought one in April and upgraded the RAM to 4 Gigs for 50.-. You should have the Mini at 2 Gigs at least. There was quite some difference. Futhermore if you have 2 Gigs the graphics card will use double the RAM than it is using when you have just 1 Gig avoilable.
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As for the Mini I wouldn't hold my breath. Apple neglected the Mini for about 2 years before they revamped it in March.
But as Wizard said: We are talking about Apple - You never know!
For your use the current Mini should more than enough. I bought one in April and upgraded the RAM to 4 Gigs for 50.-. You should have the Mini at 2 Gigs at least. There was quite some difference. Futhermore if you have 2 Gigs the graphics card will use double the RAM than it is using when you have just 1 Gig avoilable.

I will definitely get the 2Gb RAM, thanks. Apple is ridiculous for putting 1Gb in anything it sells. Its annoying how they treat this computer. Get over it, Jobs, people want the Mini!
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As for the Mini I wouldn't hold my breath. Apple neglected the Mini for about 2 years before they revamped it in March.

this is very true but I'm really hoping for a reformed Apple. After the surprise MBP update I'm really hoping Apple is entering a new period of agressiveness with respect to hardware updates. I would doubt an update early in September as that is obviously iPod ramp up time. On the other hand I could see a minimal update for the Christmas season.
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But as Wizard said: We are talking about Apple - You never know!

Exactly! The consummer never knows. What we do know is that the value in Apple hardware gets rather bad after eight or so months. Thus as this potential buyer notes the 1GB supplied with the Mini is now a joke.

Combine this with all the new tech that could potentially go into a new Mini and it is again a bad time to invest. This is a big fear of mine right now, intel and Nvidia have a lot of new hardware coming on line soon or is already here, thus Apples hardware line up could change drastically. This may make room for a significant Mini bump.
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For your use the current Mini should more than enough. I bought one in April and upgraded the RAM to 4 Gigs for 50.-. You should have the Mini at 2 Gigs at least. There was quite some difference. Futhermore if you have 2 Gigs the graphics card will use double the RAM than it is using when you have just 1 Gig avoilable.

Yep at this point 2 GB should be the minimal amount. I'm still of the opinion that going to 4GB is worthwhile due to the low price of RAM.
To the original poster consider purchasing from a local dealler that will install more reasonably priced RAM for you. They have improved the Mini enough to make that update a bit easier. It is really a shame to have to buy RAM from Apple at their prices. A good independant dealer ought to be able to support you at a lower cost.


Dave
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I'll check the prices from macmall, etc. If bumping up to 4Gb isn't that expensive I may just do that.
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Exactly! The consummer never knows. What we do know is that the value in Apple hardware gets rather bad after eight or so months. Thus as this potential buyer notes the 1GB supplied with the Mini is now a joke.

It was ridiculous when it was updated. I considered buying one, but the idea of going in and sticking in RAM scared me away. I'm sure I COULD do it, I've replaced RAM before, but $600 should get you at least 2 GB.
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It was ridiculous when it was updated. I considered buying one, but the idea of going in and sticking in RAM scared me away. I'm sure I COULD do it, I've replaced RAM before, but $600 should get you at least 2 GB.

That just makes the value even worst today when DRAM prices are extremely low. I understand the want if a new Mini but I'm appalled by the current value equation. I'm just hopeful that Apple corrects that soon.


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Didn't Apple have a site where people can give our opinions and comments? Do they still have it?
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I expect the next speedbump will have the Mini at 2GB in the base configuration. I will no longer buy anything with less than 4GB.
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The question is, when will the next speed bump be? If its in 2 months I can wait, but by the end of december I want to get something to replace my long in the tooth ibook.
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I'm surprised Apple hasn't quietly bumped up the base RAM on the Mini to 2Gb. Its ridiculous to have any computer come with only 1Gb RAM, IMO

No it is not ridiculous. Snow Leopard will run on a mac with 128 MB of RAM. Only windows requires 2 GB.
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No it is not ridiculous. Snow Leopard will run on a mac with 128 MB of RAM.

No it won't. It requires 1 GiB, minimum.
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http://www.apple.com/feedback/macmini.html

I just wrote to them about the RAM issue. Anyone here who agrees that it should be 2GB standard please also write to Apple. It worked for the Macbook, maybe it will work for the Mini.
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http://www.apple.com/feedback/macmini.html

I just wrote to them about the RAM issue. Anyone here who agrees that it should be 2GB standard please also write to Apple. It worked for the Macbook, maybe it will work for the Mini.

I'm not sure if writing will help all that much. In any event if you went to all that trouble why not ask for 4GB. The price difference isn't all that great anymore. I understand that the user doesn't need massive amounts of RAM right now, but having Apple supply a 4GB base machine means a long life on the desktop. That is lots of RAM is cheap insurance against future app bloat. 4GB should have much of an impact on the Minis price either.

I guess the problem with the Mini is that Apple has been extremely stingy with the configuration of this unit. Considering Minis current selling price 4GB would not be a problem. All Apple needs to be is more responsive to consummer demands. So ask for a lot and take what we get.



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Apple likes to get add-ons so I don't think they would ever go for 4Gb, but it can't hurt to ask!
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There is no way the base configuration Mac Mini will go from 1GB to 4GB in a single step. The best we can hope for with the next speedbump would be 2GB in the base configuration and 4GB in the high-end configuration. Perhaps we might then get to a 4GB base configuration with the following speedbump, by which time the Mac Mini would have an Arrandale processor.
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Will base Mini ever get 2Gb RAM?

Yes, it will.
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There is no way the base configuration Mac Mini will go from 1GB to 4GB in a single step.

A year or two ago I would have agreeded with you. However time only moves forward and that also more or less applies to technology.

On the Mini I see apple holding on Core 2 for atleast one more rev. Thus they can derive massive benefit for little cost by going to 4GB. Is it a given, NO, but it is an easy path for Apple to follow. It would give the Mini the ability to sustain itself for another six months.
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The best we can hope for with the next speedbump would be 2GB in the base configuration and 4GB in the high-end configuration.

No, in the current model the best we could hope for is 8GB. To want to see 4GB is simply acknowliging the current state of the component hardware market. The point is Apple could easily go to 4GB without impacting their margins.
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Perhaps we might then get to a 4GB base configuration with the following speedbump, by which time the Mac Mini would have an Arrandale processor.

Well that is certainly the power of negative thinking at work. By the time we get to Arrandale 4GB of memory is going to look punny.

Now note this assumes that the next Mini is a minor spec bump. Life would be more interesting if the next Rev based on Arrandale. If that is a reality it would be foolish for Apple to offer the machine without 4GB.


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A year or two ago I would have agreeded with you. However time only moves forward and that also more or less applies to technology.

On the Mini I see apple holding on Core 2 for atleast one more rev. Thus they can derive massive benefit for little cost by going to 4GB. Is it a given, NO, but it is an easy path for Apple to follow. It would give the Mini the ability to sustain itself for another six months.

No, in the current model the best we could hope for is 8GB. To want to see 4GB is simply acknowliging the current state of the component hardware market. The point is Apple could easily go to 4GB without impacting their margins.


Well that is certainly the power of negative thinking at work. By the time we get to Arrandale 4GB of memory is going to look punny.

Now note this assumes that the next Mini is a minor spec bump. Life would be more interesting if the next Rev based on Arrandale. If that is a reality it would be foolish for Apple to offer the machine without 4GB.


Dave

I don't think so Dave. Stating that the Mac mini should be offered exclusively in 4GB and 8GB configurations at the current price is daydreaming. Due to the mobile nature of the components it uses, the Mac mini is probably the Mac with the lowest margins already. If Apple chooses to keep the Mac mini for another round, I think that it will be updated sometime late Q1 2010 with arrandale cpus and probably 2GB of RAM standard (up to 8GB). I would prefer to see 2 configurations with 2GB of RAM and 2 cpu speeds than 2 configurations with the same cpu but different RAM/storage specs (both can be - more or less - easily upgraded, but not the cpu). I expect the next Mac mini to have similar specs as the current low-end 13" MBP: 2.26GHz cpu, 160GB HDD, 2GB RAM, iGPU or low-end dGPU.

The reality is that Apple is currently offering all its low-end models with less than 4GB:
13" MB = 2GB
13" MBP = 2GB
13" MBA = 2GB
20" iMac = 2GB
Mac Pro = 3GB
Until all of those models start shipping with 4GB+ standard, I don't see the Mac mini getting the same treatment.

"4GB of memory is going to look puny." Come on, man. Get real.
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I also don't think we'll ever see the Mini with 4Gb standard, but I also don't understand why the margins are low on this computer. It's only $300 less than the iMac which has a 20" LCD in addition to better specs and a camera.
I would think Apple is making a good amount of money on the Mini and they shouldn't be so cheap on the specs, IMO.
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I also don't think we'll ever see the Mini with 4Gb standard

Never say never. Remember, the iMac used to come with 32MB of RAM. Granted, that was eleven years ago, but it shows that all it takes is time. Only three years ago, the iMac only came standard with 512MB or RAM, now it has four to eight times that much. Assuming the mini doesn't get axed in the next few years, it will surely reach 4GB standard. Eventually, it will have to.


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But I also don't understand why the margins are low on this computer. It's only $300 less than the iMac which has a 20" LCD in addition to better specs and a camera.
I would think Apple is making a good amount of money on the Mini and they shouldn't be so cheap on the specs, IMO.

There's more involved than just specs. The mini is a LOT smaller, and it has to contain everything the iMac has, sans the LCD. Laptop-sized hard drives are more expensive, as are ultra-slim DVD drives. And it costs a lot to miniaturize the logic board to the size of the mini. The iMac has, relatively, a lot of room to work with. The mini on the other hand, is crammed to the brim.
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Thanks. I guess I'll order the base Mini with 2Gb then. Just waiting to make sure 10.6 is preloaded. I was hoping they would bump up the base RAM but Im tired of waiting and its just $60 more anyway.
Now, what monitor to get? I don't need anything bigger than a 17 inch LCD but most are 19 inch now. I really dont want widescreen either. Decisions decisions.

Get a matte 20" screen. It will have to be 16:10. Even worse most screens are 16:9 nowadays. Samsung is a good brand IMO but you got to research the models. Dell has some good stuff but again you got to go for the right models. Sorry I don't have more details.
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