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I've gotta ask... just where are you getting this "Newton Web Tablet" stuff?

Why do you ask? What does it have to do with this article?
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and such a low grade camera- no flash, no zoom?? ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

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The camera is lame for me. When I take photos, I dont want to use a toy camera. But I can see how the cameras inclusion will be a hit with teens and extended teens taking pictures of themselves acting like d-bags to email to each other and post to social networking sites.

In a more perfect world, said Touch will also have OLED.

1) OLED? Yesss. My new Samsung TL320 has one - at least iPTouch size and it's nummy - off angle/axis and daylight viewing are both the best I've seen.

2) re "lame" and "toy" cameras: the comment below saves me much of what I wanted to say, and I agree with it heartily, freeing me to add another angle:

sure, the latest DSLR's and Red videocams are wonders, but step back, o thou gadget-spoiled generation and realize the camera in the iPhone today is leagues more capable as a photographic instrument than much of what the best photographers in the world (and some of the best in history) were using for many decades (let alone that it shoots color, and even moving images with sound).

this cam is already responsible for a New Yorker cover, and world-reknowned photogs like Nan Goldin have worked primarily with low cost (film) cameras for decades. others work exclusively with very primitive cameras like the $20 Holga because of its less than perfect sharpness and even focus, or build their own lensless pinhole cameras with amazing results.

my nephew constructs his own 1840's style gear and coats his own glass plates with egg albumin and chemicals to make his 45-90 second exposures, some of which are now in permanent curated collections. of course he also enjoys working with a medium format digital sensor and $5,000 lenses as well. most pros do.

still, it's the vision of the mind behind the eye behind the camera not the tech of the gear which determines whether one ends up with "bad snapshots" or real art. the camera records the image, but the person understanding the limits of their gear determines whether it's memorable or mundane.

and as GQB below notes, even many of those "bad snapshots" may end up becoming treasured heirlooms if they capture anything of moments and people you love.

finally, I don't believe DaVinci would have bitched about "a toy" if someone could have traveled back and given him a Kodak Brownie, and plenty of film, paper and chemistry for it.....

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A 'low quality' camera that you actually have with you and use is infinitely better than a high quality one that's not with you.

I had a high quality Cannon video camera for years, on which I recorded probably about 5 final hours of video. I dreaded lugging it along, and as a result, usually didn't. NEVER got spur of the moment, fun, memorable video on it.

I got a Flip Mino (not even the HD version) and have recorded so much on it that I'm having to buy extra storage to keep up. And I now use my iPhone happily.

People get WAY too hung up on the technical quality of photos and video and forget why most people use them... to get memories of their friends and families that you can look back on and enjoy. I have hundreds of horrible quality, Brownie photos from 50 years ago from my family that I wouldn't trade for anything, and I know I'll feel the same about the ad hoc video I've captured of my family as well.

I can't wait to see what my daughter captures with the touch I'll be buying her next week.

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1) OLED? Yesss. My new Samsung TL320 has one - at least iPTouch size and it's nummy - off angle/axis and daylight viewing are both the best I've seen.

2) re "lame" and "toy" cameras: the comment below saves me much of what I wanted to say, and I agree with it heartily, freeing me to add another angle:

sure, the latest DSLR's and Red videocams are wonders, but step back, o thou gadget-spoiled generation and realize the camera in the iPhone today is leagues more capable as a photographic instrument than much of what the best photographers in the world (and some of the best in history) were using for many decades (let alone that it shoots color, and even moving images with sound).

this cam is already responsible for a New Yorker cover, and world-reknowned photogs like Nan Goldin have worked primarily with low cost (film) cameras for decades. others work exclusively with very primitive cameras like the $20 Holga because of its less than perfect sharpness and even focus, or build their own lensless pinhole cameras with amazing results.

my nephew constructs his own 1840's style gear and coats his own glass plates with egg albumin and chemicals to make his 45-90 second exposures, some of which are now in permanent curated collections. of course he also enjoys working with a medium format digital sensor and $5,000 lenses as well. most pros do.

still, it's the vision of the mind behind the eye behind the camera not the tech of the gear which determines whether one ends up with "bad snapshots" or real art. the camera records the image, but the person understanding the limits of their gear determines whether it's memorable or mundane.

and as GQB below notes, even many of those "bad snapshots" may end up becoming treasured heirlooms if they capture anything of moments and people you love.

finally, I don't believe DaVinci would have bitched about "a toy" if someone could have traveled back and given him a Kodak Brownie, and plenty of film, paper and chemistry for it.....

Who's talking high quality camera? We were only requesting an average camera vs a low quality one. A camera without a flash is basically useless approx 20% or more of the time.
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Expect Ron Wood, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts and Mick Jagger to sign special edition iPods in the lobby after the event... word to the wise.

Kind of like U2 which switched to RIM. If they did that the trade rags would rip them a new one.

This room complained about U2 being too old. Give me a break. Bono is 49. Mick Jagger is 66 years old.

Talk about scraping the barrel.
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I can't wait to see what my daughter captures with the touch I'll be buying her next week.

Well she won't be capturing many, if at all any pictures indoors with that camera presently in the iPhone without a flash.
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That bit of data about the Beatles re-releasing their catalog on that Wednesday just about confirms that the Apple event will feature The Beatles on iTunes.
Why else would they have the event on the Wednesday instead of the usual Tuesday.

Because Monday is a holiday.
The 2007 event was on Wednesday, 5 September.
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That bit of data about the Beatles re-releasing their catalog on that Wednesday just about confirms that the Apple event will feature The Beatles on iTunes.
Why else would they have the event on the Wednesday instead of the usual Tuesday.

Because the back to school promo ends 9/8/09. Do think steve wants to give away a 3rd Gen iPod Touch with a new mac for 1 day.....
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post #48 of 121
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That bit of data about the Beatles re-releasing their catalog on that Wednesday just about confirms that the Apple event will feature The Beatles on iTunes.
Why else would they have the event on the Wednesday instead of the usual Tuesday.

What? A true Beatles fan would only buy these on CD anyway; the sound is infinitely better.
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What? A true Beatles fan would only buy these on CD anyway; the sound is infinitely better.

I think you meant to say the sound is "... technically better even though you won't be able to hear it."
post #50 of 121
Not only will they NOT be dropping the classic, but it will come with a decent video camera.

You'll be able to take / shot a movie, edit it, and upload it, all from your iPod!
As for a "Beatles" version of an iPod just doesn't make any sense to me UNLESS, it comes loaded on a BIG Classic, or itouch, that is ONLY available with the Beatles library pre-loaded???

I have a Classic, 2 nano's and 1 touch, and I don't know what they could come out with or announce that would have me saying "Oh, I want that!"

They NEED to up-date their desktop units we might be a small number of folks, but we want our desktops to be up-dated.

I'm sure they won't be announcing them here, but someone needs to start the rumor mill up on these.

Others have said it, and I will again "it's got to be NEW and Exciting" "or they are wasting their time (to some degree).

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Who's talking high quality camera? We were only requesting an average camera vs a low quality one. A camera without a flash is basically useless approx 20% or more of the time.

I got your point. You want to be able to squeeze off a sharp, contrasty image anywhere anytime just by the act of pointing your iThing at anything and clicking. Without, of course, sacrificing any battery life or the quality of any other components by squeezing an intelligent fill flash and zoom mechanism into the same amount of space, nor natch, increasing the price.

Let alone having to think about composition, framing, wide angle/tele issues, how to use what light you do have, etc.

Well I hope you get all that, and it'd be cool if you do.

But I don't think you really heard a word I said. Or you'd realize you could move around a few lamps, place someone next to a lit window or even light a candle or two and end up with a nice, original moody composition instead of just another perfectly exposed static cliche photo.

That is, you might have to work at it a little, and actually be creative, but you are generally NOT cameraless in the low-light situations you describe, even if you're limited. And just might end up with something more memorable and eye-catching than if you weren't every now and then....

And of course, having a camera and vidcam at hand that's ready under any daylight and well-lit indoor conditions with you all the time without carrying another damn gadget everywhere is no asset at all, I guess.

Those of you who bother to read my admittedly wandering posts at all have doubtless realized I'm an old fart. So all I have to say to you is, "get off my damn photographic RGB lawn, you spoiled JPEG brats!"

Sheesh.

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post #52 of 121
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I think you meant to say the sound is "... technically better even though you won't be able to hear it."

BS- maybe you can't hear it but many of us audiophiles can.
post #53 of 121
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I got your point. You want to be able to squeeze off a sharp, contrasty image anywhere anytime just by the act of pointing your iThing at anything and clicking. Without, of course, sacrificing any battery life or the quality of any other components by squeezing an intelligent fill flash and zoom mechanism into the same amount of space, nor natch, increasing the price.

Let alone having to think about composition, framing, wide angle/tele issues, how to use what light you do have, etc.

Well I hope you get all that, and it'd be cool if you do.

But I don't think you really heard a word I said. Or you'd realize you could move around a few lamps, place someone next to a lit window or even light a candle or two and end up with a nice, original moody composition instead of just another perfectly exposed static cliche photo.

That is, you might have to work at it a little, and actually be creative, but you are generally NOT cameraless in the low-light situations you describe, even if you're limited.

And of course, having a camera and vidcam at hand that's ready under any daylight and well-lit indoor conditions with you all the time without carrying another damn gadget everywhere is no asset at all, I guess.

Those of you who bother to read my admittedly wandering posts at all have doubtless realized I'm an old fart. So all I have to say to you is, "get off my damn photographic RGB lawn, you spoiled JPEG brats!"

Sheesh.

Oh yeah right- you're in a restaurant or at a party and you start requesting that you move all the light fixtures around to capture an instantaneous shot. Talk about - SHEESSHHH!!!!!!
post #54 of 121
They better do something and fast. I have been loyal to Apple/Itunes since gen 2 and am on my 4th device, but I recently switched to Zune marketplace because it is such a good deal, The only reason I even have Itunes is to periodically update the songs on my Ipod. Not to mention, that Zune HD looks freakin' sweet.
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BS- maybe you can't hear it but many of us audiofiles can.

It's AudioPHile.


Secondly, the douche bag level of the phrase "A true <insert band/device/etc> fan would..." is cranked to 11.


Lastly, I'm really curious as to the future of the iPod/iTunes brand. I'm really excited about it, and fortunately my GF took my debit card from me for that week (mostly because it's my birthday that week, and she hates that I'm the kind of chick that buys what she wants), or I'd be friggen poor.
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It's AudioPHile.


Secondly, the douche bag level of the phrase "A true <insert band/device/etc> fan would..." is cranked to 11.


Lastly, I'm really curious as to the future of the iPod/iTunes brand. I'm really excited about it, and fortunately my GF took my debit card from me for that week (mostly because it's my birthday that week, and she hates that I'm the kind of chick that buys what she wants), or I'd be friggen poor.

Thank you for the spellcheck.
But seriously, do you know of many die hards of <insert band/device/etc> that would prefer a lame digital version of their favorite band or a CD version of it? For the liner notes alone!
post #57 of 121
Is it just me, or did someone at Apple forget the date?

Having an event on 9-09-09 and starting at 10AM....

Hello - Couldn't they start at 9:09 on 9/09/09?

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Likely, however the 64 bit kernel apparently only runs on the most recent Macs with 9400 chip set so I wonder if there is really much of a performance boost to having 64 applications if the kernel is still 32 bit.

As I understand it, the system can recognize up to 32 GB of ram with a 32 bit kernel, however a 32 bit application would be limited to using no more than 4 GB of that memory. The 64 bit application on the other hand would be able to access as much of the system memory as needed. Keeping the 32 bit kernel also avoids having a ton of driver compatibility issues that would be associated with requiring 64 bit drivers.
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As I understand it, the system can recognize up to 32 GB of ram with a 32 bit kernel, however a 32 bit application would be limited to using no more than 4 GB of that memory. The 64 bit application on the other hand would be able to access as much of the system memory as needed. Keeping the 32 bit kernel also avoids having a ton of driver compatibility issues that would be associated with requiring 64 bit drivers.

Thanks for the info. I guess in the case of MacBookPro3,1 late 2007 which I have, will not run 64 bit extensions but with respect to 32 gigs of ram, whenever the large density memory modules become available, my computer will likely be obsolete.

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That bit of data about the Beatles re-releasing their catalog on that Wednesday just about confirms that the Apple event will feature The Beatles on iTunes.
Why else would they have the event on the Wednesday instead of the usual Tuesday.

In weeks where Monday is a holiday, Apple does its announcements on Wednesdays. It has almost always been so.

I'm looking forward getting a 64GB touch, preferably one with a 6-7" display.
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Those "insider" sources claiming that the tablet will debut in early 2010 are probably coming straight from Apple executives. They want to make sure there is minimal dissapointment when the tablet doesn't show up at the fall music event. There have already been sources claiming that Jobs had given the go ahead for a 2010 debut.

Once I heard that I knew it was for real. I say January at an event that would parallel Macworld. I'm guessing a special Apple campus event. And no, it's not going to be at CES either.

Then how do we square the rumors of 10 inch Wintek touch screens manufactured for late summer delivery? If true, that's alot of touch screen inventory sitting around in warehouses until 1st Quarter 2010! Maybe there are multiple tablets coming at different launches, fall 09 and 1stQ 2010.
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Kind of like U2 which switched to RIM. If they did that the trade rags would rip them a new one.

This room complained about U2 being too old. Give me a break. Bono is 49. Mick Jagger is 66 years old.

Talk about scraping the barrel.

But it's a really, really famous barrel.

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Because the back to school promo ends 9/8/09. Do think steve wants to give away a 3rd Gen iPod Touch with a new mac for 1 day.....

As I've said before, the product intro dates seem arbitrary and poorly timed with regards to typical seasonal events.

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Thanks for the info. I guess in the case of MacBookPro3,1 late 2007 which I have, will not run 64 bit extensions but with respect to 32 gigs of ram, whenever the large density memory modules become available, my computer will likely be obsolete.

I can't use 64 bit anything on my mac. I have the first gen intel core duo orphan 32 bit processor. As far as I can tell, 64 bit wont really do anything for you unless you have more tha 4 GB of ram to begin with. Of course rewriting itunes to 64 bit may also involve optimizing the existing code.
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Then how do we square the rumors of 10 inch Wintek touch screens manufactured for late summer delivery? If true, that's alot of touch screen inventory sitting around in warehouses until 1st Quarter 2010! Maybe there are multiple tablets coming at different launches, fall 09 and 1stQ 2010.

Consider this... there may not be an iTablet/iPad/reconcepted iBook waiting in the wings.

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Then how do we square the rumors of 10 inch Wintek touch screens manufactured for late summer delivery? If true, that's alot of touch screen inventory sitting around in warehouses until 1st Quarter 2010! Maybe there are multiple tablets coming at different launches, fall 09 and 1stQ 2010.

Multiple rumors converging into reality at the same place and time? Wouldn't something like that disrupt the space/time continuum?
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Then how do we square the rumors of 10 inch Wintek touch screens manufactured for late summer delivery? If true, that's alot of touch screen inventory sitting around in warehouses until 1st Quarter 2010! Maybe there are multiple tablets coming at different launches, fall 09 and 1stQ 2010.

Also, is there an iprod1,1 launch for this event? IF so, what is it?
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Then how do we square the rumors of 10 inch Wintek touch screens manufactured for late summer delivery? If true, that's alot of touch screen inventory sitting around in warehouses until 1st Quarter 2010! Maybe there are multiple tablets coming at different launches, fall 09 and 1stQ 2010.

maybe another company is releasing a tablet?
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i have a young child and there is rap now on Noggin, which is owned by Nickelodean. One of the shows even has a beat box class. times are changing.

Noggin, Nickelodeon, Teen Nick, MTV/MTV2/MTVTres, VH1, all owned by Viacom. Whatever they want to push in order to make money, they can do from when a baby is born to is 20s. Scary.
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Uhm... I thought we knew this already?

Operative word: "Confirms."

Before, it was a rumor. Now, it's news.
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Uhm... I thought we knew this already?

Anyhow, I have only two hopes for iTunes 9.
1] That they cut out all the bloat from the application, especially in the Windows version (though, seeing they probably WANT it to run slow, to entice you to a mac even if both would run at the same speed...)
2] WATCH FOLDERS for both OSs.

My guess, More bloat, less control.
Screw it, I'm using Amarok.

I'm not sure what you mean by "watch folders for both OS's". Do you mean you want it to manage the music in the folders from both OS's? or are you talking about a computer that dual boots and both iTunes to be synced to the same library? The first thing "Manage music in the folders" it will do.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "watch folders for both OS's". Do you mean you want it to manage the music in the folders from both OS's? or are you talking about a computer that dual boots and both iTunes to be synced to the same library? The first thing "Manage music in the folders" it will do.

Actually it wont. If you add a file to the itunes library in mac, it will copy the file into the folder but it will not add that file to the library of itunes in windows. You would have to manually add it.

What the poster wants is itunes to detect new files in its library folder, even if itunes didn't put it there. It's a very reasonable request and most other media players can do it. There are some tricks you can perform to make up for some of the functionality, but watch folders should be an option.
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As I've said before, the product intro dates seem arbitrary and poorly timed with regards to typical seasonal events.

I agree that holding Macworld Expo in early January (and CES then too) is particularly insulting to everyone's shiny new Christmas presents, but corporations have learned to use seasonal events to move stale products. You and I might want all the shiny new stuff to arrive at peak buying times, but it would be bad for Apple. They know people will pay full price for shiny new stuff and need those peak buying times to move older products that are crying for an upgrade or price reduction.

Like most manufacturers Apple never introduces new product after October. This gives the general public, the people who never visit sites like this, plenty of time to familiarize themselves with the holiday lineup and ensures each gift matches the wish. An update in November would seriously screw early shoppers.

The free iPod event every summer is even more effective. It helps move more Macs than would otherwise sell, moves iPods that even members of the general public realize are due for an upgrade, gets people hooked on the iTunes eco-system and greatly reduces the buyer's remorse that would otherwise kick in when the September/October hardware upgrades are unveiled.
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Is it just me or does that graphic look like someone listening to an iPod just got shot?

-kpluck

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To Teckdud.


No a "true" fan would buy vinyl records and listen to them on a set up with tube amps. Seems you don't know anything about music either.

Now that I know you can filter out users... Hasta la vista
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To Teckdud.


No a "true" fan would buy vinyl records and listen to them on a set up with tube amps. Seems you don't know anything about music either.

Not true- since one play and the vinyl degrades.
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The iPod ads, from the start, were clearly influenced by the Robert Longo paintings of the 1980s depicting people dancing in contorted (violent) positions.
Can google him.

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Is it just me or does that graphic look like someone listening to an iPod just got shot?

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20% or more of the time.

Perfectly acceptable to millions of iPhone / Touch users.
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Can someone explain how exactly this works unless your machine has an actual blu-ray laser in it? \

It is possible now to add an external Blu-Ray drive to burn data cds. However, when and until Apple adds the necessary support to Os X, you can not watch a Blu-ray movie.
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Oh yeah right- you're in a restaurant or at a party and you start requesting that you move all the light fixtures around to capture an instantaneous shot. Talk about - SHEESSHHH!!!!!!

I can see why you're so beloved by all here for responding to the actual posts you're arguing about. I never questioned your 20% or more of phot-ops lost without a flash figure, nor that one would be desirable (if the output was user controllable, as most auto-flashs pump out way too much light on close-up subjects) - just the technology, cost, and other design compromises which might be required to get one into the upcoming iteration (& expecting one when the iPhone didn't get one in its '09 refresh) - and how using one's brain, creativity and materials at hand, one might be able to mitigate a few of those (in interesting ways).

I doubt - other than gross RAM you'll see the touch line getting too far ahead of the phone line in basic features anytime soon. so I'd be putting flash and optical zoom on my '010 wish list, not next week's.

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BS- maybe you can't hear it but many of us audiofiles can.

And I want to support your spelling here, not the PC pedant who said "audiophile." Because you often do play the same song over and over again.

(Jus' tweakin' you a little, TS. It'd be a blander forum without your prickly self.)

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