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Wall Street analysts are divided on whether Apple co-founder Steve Jobs will appear at next week's iPod-centric event, as another firm has said his presence would be a "welcome surprise," but is not anticipated.

Analyst Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. released a note to investors Tuesday morning in which he predicted that Jobs will not personally unveil new iPods. That's a different take than the one sent out only hours before by Gene Munster with Piper Jaffray, who said he believes that a keynote from Jobs would be the biggest news of Sept. 9. Wu, however, believes the keynote will be delivered by Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing.

"It is not clear that Steve Jobs will be present," Wu said, "but most would welcome his appearance as a positive surprise."

Wu and Munster agree on most everything else, though. New iPods are a given this point, and are expected to be equipped with cameras. Wu also believes that a new version of iTunes with social media capabilities will be unveiled.

The analyst also does not expect an appearance of Apple's upcoming tablet device, expected to arrive in early 2010. Following up on a report from last month that Apple was exploring touchscreen devices of 4 inches to 12 inches in size, Wu said any tablet and/or sub-notebook devices won't be announced until next year.

Wu does predict that the iPod refresh will include more storage for devices with lower price points. He has maintained his "outperform" rating for AAPL stock, with a price target of $184.

"It will be interesting what storage capacities and price points Apple decides to set for these new iPods," he said. "Most recently, Microsoft announced a new Zune HD with 16GB of storage for $220 compared to Apple's current 8GB iPod touch for $229."
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Oh dear oh dear.. Jobs is not going to be there.. Maybe he's reserving himself for 2010..
post #3 of 41
Steve won't be there. He still looks frail and won't want to become the story.
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"It is not clear that Steve Jobs will be present," Wu said, "but most would welcome his appearance as a positive surprise."


I don't expect him to make a appearance.

Apple needs to make it's transition to a new leader, unfortunately no one is nearly as qualified.

So it looks like we will still have him in charge, but a reduced capacity, for as long as possible.

I wish it could be forever, and I wish he has enough time to realize all his dreams to influence the future of computing and not get cut short like Walt Disney did (EPCOT).



Keep up the good fight Steve and thanks for bringing back the 15" matte screen MacBook Pro!
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post #5 of 41
There's no reason for Job's to show up for an insignificant iPod event. He's not going to show up until the tablet comes out. And frankly, after the way the media treated him during his absence, I don't blame him.
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Actually his hologram will be there, repeating his favorite mantra, "Help us Steve Ballmer, you're our only hope!"
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Maybe he'll do a live feed or a pre-recorded video.

I know being frail like that means you get tired very easily, but even a pre-recorded video for everyone wouldn't be THAT strenuous.

Perhaps he's so frail, he's been ordered to stay out of public view so people don't think he's about to die and start pulling out.
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Keep up the good fight Steve and thanks for bringing back the 15" matte screen MacBook Pro!

And we look forward to the upcoming 13" matte screen MacBook Pros and new matte screen iMacs! Thank you Steve!
post #9 of 41
He would only be there if Paul McCartney was going to be there.

From here on out we're only going to see him for blockbuster events. Like when the tablet is ready. Introducing new iPods has become little more than an earnings call. It's not that exciting. Add a camera, add some more buttons to iTunes. It's not Steve-worthy.

Same with the Macbooks. I think they're running out of stuff to add. Unibody. SD slot. Look at Snow Leopard. They're all great things but they're not the leaps that drove the switcher stampede.

This stuff is starting to plateau in terms of feature saturation. No, I'm not the guy who thinks everything has been invented. But in terms of catalysts to drive big-time growth of this stock I'm starting to wonder.

For the first time I'm starting to consider selling.
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post #10 of 41
I think Apple would be fine if he just stayed behind the curtain. It would be more in line with his desires to keep his life private. Being a publicity monger and then being offended if people asks private questions might be considered contradictory. It usually doesn't work that way.
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I think Apple would be fine if he just stayed behind the curtain. It would be more in line with his desires to keep his life private. Being a publicity monger and then being offended if people asks private questions might be considered contradictory. It usually doesn't work that way.

They are fine without Jobs, actually. I wonder if they will do better with Jobs though..
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They are fine without Jobs, actually. I wonder if they will do better with Jobs though..

But they really aren't without Jobs, he can run the company without having to do the presentations.
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The note about price and capacity is vapid, even for an analyst.

The only thing that would be interesting is if Apple introduces something other than an iPod touch with 3GS-class internals starting at $229 for 16GB.
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But they really aren't without Jobs, he can run the company without having to do the presentations.

For Sj to front any presentation now would be a mistake and a step back. Apple has definitely moved on and will (need to) be the better for it. Were the Fab Four to be announced on iTunes, however, and were Macca and Ringo to appear, it wouldn't be out of order for SJ to make an appearance with them, I guess. I don't think it'll happen, but that is really the only scenario I can imagine where SJ would appear on stage. Even when the tablet is introduced I can't see it happening.
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For God sakes! Get the Beatles catalog on iTunes already!!!
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But they really aren't without Jobs, he can run the company without having to do the presentations.

True that. And he makes Apple's stock prices rise!
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For God sakes! Get the Beatles catalog on iTunes already!!!

Just buy the CD, rip it, and pass on the love.

By the way, does the estate of King of Pop get any cut off the sale of these CDs?
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Just buy the CD, rip it, and pass on the love.

By the way, does the estate of King of Pop get any cut off the sale of these CDs?

have to pay off all the debts to the hedge funds first
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I don't think the tablet will be shown until the day its ready to sell.
Apple doesn't generally preview product. The only reason they showed the iPhone early was that it needed to go through 6 months of FCC approvals, so the cat was out of the bag anyway. (50 bonus points to anyone who can correlate that phrase to 'buying a pig in a poke' without looking it up.)

There's no value to Apple in showing their hand without being able to start the money machine immediately rolling.
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I don't think the tablet will be shown until the day its ready to sell.
Apple doesn't generally preview product. The only reason they showed the iPhone early was that it needed to go through 6 months of FCC approvals, so the cat was out of the bag anyway. (50 bonus points to anyone who can correlate that phrase to 'buying a pig in a poke' without looking it up.)

There's no value to Apple in showing their hand without being able to start the money machine immediately rolling.

Didn't you forget the, ahem, AppleTV?
Announced by Steve Sept 2006; available for sale March 2007.
I know it's just a "hobby", but....
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For God sakes! Get the Beatles catalog on iTunes already!!!


The Beatles (Tube) !

A Day in the Life
A Hard Day's Night
A Taste of Honey
Across The Universe
Act Naturally
All I've got to Do
All My Loving
All Together Now
All You Need Is Love
And I Love Her
And Your Bird Can Sing
Anna (Go To Him)
Another Girl
Any Time At All
Ask Me Why
Baby It's You
Baby You're A Rich Man
Bad Boy
Because
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!
Birthday
Blackbird
Blue Jay Way
Boys
Can't Buy Me Love
Carry That Weight
Chains
Come Together
Cry Baby Cry
Day Tripper
Dear Prudence
Devil In Her Heart
Dig A Pony
Dig It
Dizzy Miss Lizzie
Do You Want to Know a Secret
Doctor Robert
Don't Bother Me
Don't Let Me Down
Don't Pass Me By
Drive My Car
Eight Days a Week
Eleanor Rigby
Every Little Thing
Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except For Me and My Monkey
Everybody's Trying to be My Baby
Fixing a Hole
Flying (instrumental)
For No One
For You Blue
Free As A Bird
From Me To You
Get Back
Getting Better
Girl
Glass Onion
Golden Slumbers
Good Day Sunshine
Good Morning, Good Morning
Good Night
Got To Get You Into My Life
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Hello, Goodbye
Help
Helter Skelter
Her Majesty
Here Comes The Sun
Here, There And Everywhere
Hey Bulldog
Hey Jude
Hold Me Tight
Honey Don't
Honey Pie
I Am the Walrus
I Call Your Name
I Don't Want to Spoil the Party
I Feel Fine
I Me Mine
I Need You
I Saw Her Standing There
I Should Have Known Better
I Wanna Be Your Man
I Want To Hold Your Hand
I Want To Tell You
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
I Will
I'll Be Back
I'll Cry Instead
I'll Follow the Sun
I'll Get You
I'm a Loser
I'm Down
I'm Just Happy to Dance with You
I'm Looking Through You
I'm Only Sleeping
I'm so tired
I've Got A Feeling
I've Just Seen a Face
If I Fell
If I Needed Someone
In My Life
It Won't Be Long
It's All Too Much
It's Only Love
Julia
Kansas City/Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand
Lady Madonna
Let it Be
Little Child
Long Tall Sally
Long, Long, Long
Love Me Do
Love You To
Lovely Rita
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Maggie Mae
Magical Mystery Tour
Martha My Dear
Matchbox
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Mean Mr. Mustard
Michelle
Misery
Money (That's What I Want)
Mother Nature's Son
Mr. Moonlight
No Reply
Norwegian Wood
Not a Second Time
Nowhere Man
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
Octopus's Garden
Oh! Darling
Old Brown Shoe
One After 909
Only A Northern Song
P.S. I Love You
Paperback Writer
Penny Lane
Piggies
Please Mister Postman
Please Me
Polythene Pam
Rain
Real Love
Revolution 1
Revolution 9
Rock and Roll Music
Rocky Raccoon
Roll Over Beethoven
Run For Your Life
Savoy Truffle
Sexy Sadie
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window
She Loves You
She Said, She Said
She's A Woman
She's Leaving Home
Sie Liebt Dich
Slow Down
Something
Strawberry Fields Forever
Sun King
Taxman
Tell Me What You See
Tell Me Why
Thank You Girl
The Ballad of John And Yoko
The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
The End
The Fool On The Hill
The Inner Light
The Long And Winding Road
The Night Before
The Word
There's A Place
Things We Said Today
Think For Yourself
This Boy
Ticket to Ride
Till There was You
Tomorrow Never Knows
Twist and Shout
Two of Us
Wait
We Can Work It Out
What Goes On
What You're Doing
When I Get Home
When I'm Sixty-Four
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Why don't we do it in the road
Wild Honey Pie
With a Little Help From My Friends
Within You Without You
Words of Love
Yellow Submarine
Yer Blues
Yes It Is
Yesterday
You Can't Do That
You Know My Name
You Like Me Too Much
You Never Give Me Your Money
You Really Got a Hold on Me
You Won't See Me
You're Going to Lose That Girl
You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
Your Mother Should Know


The Beatles video from Albums:

Please Me
With The Beatles
A Hard Day's Night
Beatles For Sale
Help!
Rubber Soul
Revolver
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Magical Mystery Tour
The Beatles - White Album
Yellow Submarine
Abbey Road
Let It Be
Past Masters Volume 1
Past Masters Volume 2


Let me start you off..
http://www.beatlestube.net/video.php...ay+in+the+Life

A little note... The email this came to me from was an @apple.com address... Enjoy! I think the one I picked to start was... Pretty fitting...

--- NO it wasn't Steve Jobs, or any Exec---
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Just goes to show how little these analysts know. One says yes, the other says no. That way Wall Street has all it's bases covered.
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Just goes to show how little these analysts know. One says yes, the other says no. That way Wall Street has all it's bases covered.

The sky is falling... But not as fast as before. It may start rising... But not as fast as before. - DONE.
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One says yes, the other says no. That way Wall Street has all it's bases covered.

Everybody does, including Apple. Don't think the AppleTV is called a "hobby" for nothing.
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I don't expect him to make a appearance.

Apple needs to make it's transition to a new leader, unfortunately no one is nearly as qualified.

I don't know about that. Steve handpicked his team. I'm sure he's also handtrained them.

no one has the pizzazz that Steve has but I'm sure he's not worried about handing off the reigns given that there's been no massive shakeups in the top ranks

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And frankly, after the way the media treated him during his absence, I don't blame him.

the media didn't treat him any different than they have for the last 12-18 months

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Perhaps he's so frail, he's been ordered to stay out of public view so people don't think he's about to die and start pulling out.

how do you know he's so freaking frail. yeah he is thin but really, where are the photos of him in a wheelchair, using a cane or walker etc. no where.

as for the public view, I doubt anyone is going to be shocked enough to sell by his appearance given that everyone knows he had a liver transplant. perhaps if that wasn't public knowledge some stock issues would come about.

also, do you really think anyone can order the great Steve Jobs do to anything.

although on the plus side for Steve, his condition probably got him a tag to make that parking in the handicap spaces legit.


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From here on out we're only going to see him for blockbuster events.

I heard that he's going to be in Mission Viejo for the opening of the new Microsoft store. Wants to wish them well like a real gentleman. Plus he has some questions about installing Windows 7 on his Macbook Pro


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This stuff is starting to plateau in terms of feature saturation.

true. which is why refreshes waiting until MacWorld and WWDC is a bad move. Especially MacWorld which they had to pay to play at. so they stopped. A Monday morning announcement from the campus is a better move. At least until they have something breakthrough and then they go to the Moscone Center etc and bring in all the troops.

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For God sakes! Get the Beatles catalog on iTunes already!!!

you do realize that it's not all Apple's choice. Record labels have the power. same for those tv shows and movies folks keep screaming about. the studios have the control, not Apple.

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Didn't you forget the, ahem, AppleTV?
Announced by Steve Sept 2006; available for sale March 2007.
I know it's just a "hobby", but....


And maybe they learned their lesson from that.
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I think Apple would be fine if he just stayed behind the curtain.

Just like the Wizard of Oz - pulling all the strings.
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The only reason they showed the iPhone early was that it needed to go through 6 months of FCC approvals,

There's no value to Apple in showing their hand without being able to start the money machine immediately rolling.

No product goes through 6 months of testing at the FCC, just doesn't happen like that. As a matte of fact, if you can afford it you can get preferential treatment and have things tested in a much much quicker time period. As a matter of fact the report dates for the Original iPhone were 1/26/2006 to 2/5/2007 & 4/19/2007 to condict all the testing that needed to be done on the phone. And that wasn't a complete year of testing, that was when the first test was run and the last test was run for part 1 or 2 testing. So it's not like it was being tested for the entire time.
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For God sakes! Get the Beatles catalog on iTunes already!!!

I don't get why this is even important or sought after at this point.
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I don't get why this is even important or sought after at this point.

Right? I'd rather have Star Wars on Blu-ray!
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how do you know he's so freaking frail. yeah he is thin but really, where are the photos of him in a wheelchair, using a cane or walker etc. no where.

lol i don't, thats why i used the word "perhaps"
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I don't know about that. Steve handpicked his team. I'm sure he's also handtrained them.

So you question how someone knows he's frail, yet you turn around and say your sure he's trained up his replacement

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how do you know he's so freaking frail. yeah he is thin but really, where are the photos of him in a wheelchair, using a cane or walker etc. no where.

as for the public view, I doubt anyone is going to be shocked enough to sell by his appearance given that everyone knows he had a liver transplant. perhaps if that wasn't public knowledge some stock issues would come about.

also, do you really think anyone can order the great Steve Jobs do to anything.

although on the plus side for Steve, his condition probably got him a tag to make that parking in the handicap spaces legit.

You must have missed the photo taken by someone when Jobs was walking in front of his car with Ive.

But you're making progress, you went from complete denial to at least admitting he needs a handicap parking spot in less than a paragraph. Nice one
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lol i don't, thats why i used the word "perhaps"

The media's representation of him doesn't help much. He's fine, been fine, has been fine...

He's just a thinner slimmer version of the 80's Steve... And isn't the iPod a thinner slimmer (better and faster) version of the 1st gen iPod?

Seems to me that if he can put up with a legal battle and win while in this so called "frail" state the media painted him into he wouldn't be as weak as they claim he his. Oh and still pulling punches at work.

I've said it before, it's hard for those on a proper diet to gain weight... That's the point of a proper diet. Since seeing a Naturoligst (That's a Dr. in Natural Medicine and diet) I've lost some serious weight, fell 10x's better and no longer have that crashed feeling by 3pm. I'm also not as sick as before and even my Md. has said whatever the Nd. has me on, stay with it.
post #34 of 41
Unless Steve wants the news after Wednesday to be all about him and how thin and frail he still looks, he'd be wise to stay away and let someone else at Apple do the keynote. Steve will have a few months to put on some weight and get ready to announce the tablet next year.
post #35 of 41
If and when we see Steve on stage again, it will be for the release of the tablet which we all know by now is something he has worked closely on for so many years. Even then, it's 50/50 at best.
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There's no reason for Job's to show up for an insignificant iPod event. He's not going to show up until the tablet comes out. And frankly, after the way the media treated him during his absence, I don't blame him.

The public/press/analyst interest is reason enough. But how much participation? My guess is an intro (state of the iPod/iPhone stats), say five minutes. Then turn it over to someone on the iTunes team to intro Cocktail and iTunes 9, Phil Schiller to intro the iPods. If there is a video chat with the Beatles, Steve comes back for that, then he returns to "one more thing" (Apple TV, his "hobby) and intro the music (maybe 5-10 minutes). I'm all for more Apple faces given more time at these media events, but I think Steve back as CEO needs to acknowledge how he used to behave as CEO.
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I don't think the tablet will be shown until the day its ready to sell.
Apple doesn't generally preview product. The only reason they showed the iPhone early was that it needed to go through 6 months of FCC approvals, so the cat was out of the bag anyway. (50 bonus points to anyone who can correlate that phrase to 'buying a pig in a poke' without looking it up.)

There's no value to Apple in showing their hand without being able to start the money machine immediately rolling.

The pig in a poke phrase comes from historical scams where a shyster would sell a pig in a bag to a customer, the bag would be tied closed and the sounds of upset animal would emanate from it,
the. The pig would be replaced with a cat, unknown by the buyer.
The cat would be let out of the bag when the buyer discovered they had been duped.
Hence, a pig in a poke is a pig bought in a bag, the cat let out of the bag, speaks for itself.
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post #38 of 41
Wall Street analyst? Concerning Apple? Take their predictions and bet on the opposite happening.

breathe in, breathe out
peace
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The Beatles (Tube) !

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--- NO it wasn't Steve Jobs, or any Exec---

Let's get back on topic please.
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Wall Street analyst? Concerning Apple? Take their predictions and bet on the opposite happening.

breathe in, breathe out
peace

I'd bet that they hardly are accurate at all. :0
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