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post #81 of 116
I've been waiting to be seduced, haven't yet.
post #82 of 116
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I own @TV, and I like it - got what I paid for - but I have to agree with you. It is a product with such incredible potential to transform your family room, and yet, Apple has barely tried.

I was willing to wait a year or so when I first got it, but now I am getting a tad impatient. It's time for Apple to call it quits, or take it to the next level. If the latter, I hope they'll upgrade/update in a way that we early adopters get thrown a bone - after all, what is the point of that stupid USB socket they've had in the darn thing for all this while!?

Blu-Ray is still pie in the sky, imho. Cable pipes don't have the bandwidth to support it, discs are ridiculously expensive (and few). And, even if Blu-Ray was technologically feasible (at a decent price), perhaps it's an age thing, but my eyes can't really tell the difference......

I was just talking to a good friend of mine and we both thought it odd that Apple would be announcing that iTunes 9 would have Blu-ray support and yet not have any product with an actual blu-ray laser/reader in it. Then it dawned on us that the AppleTV must be getting Blu-ray next week as its upgrade. This way you get CD, DVD, and Blu-ray playback as well as the ability to rip the CDs (possibly DVD but I doubt it) directly in the ATV. We shall see - it should be very interesting.
BTW the discs aren't that bad- they've come down a lot- check out Amazon. Unforgiven is now $8.99.
post #83 of 116
I wrote Apple what I thought was needed with AppleTV:

Just like Sony's mistake of not allowing buyers of the Walkman Digital devices to play mp3 on their Walkman, Apple's decision not to allow buyers of AppleTV to play the most common video formats like .avi/dvix, .flv, real video, means the AppleTV is not very useful--not too many users will spend the long time to convert their videos to the ones supported by AppleTV just as with few people agreed to convert to Sony's Walkman's proprietary format.

You want people to buy AppleTVs? it should play all the videos in one's hard drive: .avi/dvis, .flv, real video, .mov, etc. No conversion, no fiddling around, just search, add to list, play.
post #84 of 116
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I was just talking to a good friend of mine and we both thought it odd that Apple would be announcing that iTunes 9 would have Blu-ray support and yet not have any product with an actual blu-ray laser/reader in it. Then it dawned on us that the AppleTV must be getting Blu-ray next week as its upgrade. This way you get CD, DVD, and Blu-ray playback as well as the ability to rip the CDs (possibly DVD but I doubt it) directly in the ATV. We shall see - it should be very interesting.
BTW the discs aren't that bad- they've come down a lot- check out Amazon. Unforgiven is now $8.99.

I recently bought an AppleTV so my kid can pick from a movies I ripped, but I may not even wait for Christmas before going Blu-ray with movie prices that low. Too bad I can't rip the Blu-ray movies onto AppleTV now.
post #85 of 116
I just got an notification from Nintendo today that their Internet channel is free now with the Opera browser and flash.

All those rumors about Netflix coming to the Wii just got one step closer. I tried viewing a downloadable move but it stated my OS wasn't supported (darn).

NetFlix is coming to the Wii though and AppleTV is going to get dinged unless Apple gives it a big update with games from the iPhone devs and subscriptions to movies and television series.
post #86 of 116
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Originally Posted by Galley View Post

Why would you need a DVR for an IPTV service?

I think he might mean a tv tuner so you can connect cable/sattilite feeds and record your fav shows in HD. Thing is. How does one justify say buying Lost episodes when seasons 1-5 are online and FREE streamed at HD? What apple needs is to create apple Tv with tuner, DVR, sell them for $99 and have the ability to take anything recorded and play it back in real time over your home network or at the very least, transfer/convert to iPod/iPhone size or like zine, larger files to stream from iPhone to another device when visiting a friends house nits bad enough all movies and shows are on usenet, but torrent plus most networks offer most of the seasons. Apple needs to take the apple tv up a few notches. Also add blue Ray playback burning tuner dvr. Then they will sell and intergrate with new Apple TVs in a few years. Apples business model is like Intels now, release small upgrades, wait a fee months, then release it again. Eg logic 9 is 32 bit I believe. Everyone buys then snow comes out and they release 64 bit version with double the plug INS oerfomance and people buy it all over again.

You watch. This is what they are doing.

Peace out.
post #87 of 116
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

I recently bought an AppleTV so my kid can pick from a movies I ripped, but I may not even wait for Christmas before going Blu-ray with movie prices that low. Too bad I can't rip the Blu-ray movies onto AppleTV now.

Handbrake won't rip BR?

(I honestly don't know, anyone try it?)
post #88 of 116
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

I just got an notification from Nintendo today that their Internet channel is free now with the Opera browser and flash.

Opera 10 only?

Or am I thinking Opera Mobile on all those Androided/Symbian handsets getting free access to NIN's stuff?
post #89 of 116
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Originally Posted by xwiredtva View Post

Opera 10 only?

Or am I thinking Opera Mobile on all those Androided/Symbian handsets getting free access to NIN's stuff?

I'm not sure. Here's a link to the announcement.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10322948-1.html
post #90 of 116
A TV huh? hope they don't call it AppleTV, wouldn't want it to be confused with any other product line.

Wonder if they would have a white model and then a Pro version that's all aluminium.

Well if they did release their own TV, it could be a another game changer for the industry. It would have tight software integration and probably a much easier menu but I bet the remote would have one button.

And you know the iPhone could be used as the remote as well. I think it would be interesting if Apple really does release a TV but I just don't think they would. I just don't know how well it would do. I mean considering how small most of the Apple stores are and how big TV's are, they really wouldn't have the floor space for displaying them in the bright Apple stores and there's a lot of expense in shipping those around not to mention it's an already competitive market to just get into. But I'll wait and see.
post #91 of 116
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Originally Posted by Trajectory View Post

Really? The HD movies I've bought and play thru my ATV look pretty damn good to me.

They're watchable, but a million miles away from blu-ray level. Compared 1280x720@5mbits with 5.1 Dolby Digital to 1920x1080@45mbits with 7.1 lossless Dolby True HD/DTS Master...

Blu-ray is so much better, but for throwaway movies which don't need the PQ then an Apple TV download is okay.
post #92 of 116
I love AppleTV and use it daily. I have hundreds of movies, thousands of songs and thousands of pictures that I can access from it. It's great. I can play my music in multiple rooms for the price of an Airport Express.

I have been wanting to buy another for my bedroom for some time now, but I have held off in anticipation for new hardware. Although I do like my AppleTV, it does need more power.
post #93 of 116
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

They're watchable, but a million miles away from blu-ray level. Compared 1280x720@5mbits with 5.1 Dolby Digital to 1920x1080@45mbits with 7.1 lossless Dolby True HD/DTS Master...

Blu-ray is so much better, but for throwaway movies which don't need the PQ then an Apple TV download is okay.

I agree, Apple TV is no substitute for Blu-Ray at the moment, but stick it through a good amp and it's just as good as and far more convenient than DVD. Most of my video content has been transcoded at high quality from DVD with only rental and TV shows being downloaded from iTunes.

I hope it's not long before we get 1080p and high bit rate content in iTunes.
post #94 of 116
a MUCH bigger announcement then iTV, iPods or even the iTablet?

Hey, the moon and stars don't lie

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post #95 of 116
and which manufacture who makes a TV current, would choose to make one BETTER then theirs for Apple?

This doesn't make any sense. Now a LARGE screen monitor, that they promote as a monitor, that does it all (what ever in hell that would be), at a great price, at a great hi-res system, that folks can't do without, or are willing to put their current 52" very nice, very expensive TV in the kids room or cellar, just a have this new Apple monitor see what I mean, this just doesn't fly.

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PS NOW if it was a touch screen TV, that would work
post #96 of 116
The new AppleTV needs to allow other online media providers to provide apps / plugins to interface with their programming systems. For example in the UK we have iPlayer and 4od (and Virgin On Demand, and Dave On Demand, and others, but the others are the primary players in the market) which provide free on-demand programming from their back catalogues and recently shown on TV stuff. These providers will not want to provide their content via a third-party "store", especially as they've already got their own infrastructure to provide the shows for free.

It's quite simple in that I will not buy an Apple TV until it incorporates the ability to interface with other programming providers, even if the other providers have to program their own add-in functionality for the device and provide it via an AppleTV App Store (or automatically downloaded once the AppleTV knows which country it is running in). I can understand these plug-in applications being forced to use a certain UI style and mode of operation, and I can understand that media that they download should be put into the single repository on the device (or media server connected to the device) instead of having separate browsable libraries. But without iPlayer and 4od support in the UK, the device is irrelevant.

Also: HDMI 1.3a (or 1.4) output.
Also: Future external BluRay drive (that fits neatly on top, interfacing via USB). This does require the next AppleTV to be capable of decoding and outputting 1080p at 45mbps though.
Also: 802.11n, Bluetooth remotes with more than 6 buttons that are big enough to remain visible.
post #97 of 116
I hope they change the UI and the remote. Both give a very poor user experience at the moment. I really don't like having to scroll down to the 4th or 5th menu option to access my library and having to hold down buttons to perform basic functionality. I'm surprised such inadequencies slipped through Apple's QA.
post #98 of 116
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Originally Posted by ncee View Post

a MUCH bigger announcement then iTV, iPods or even the iTablet?

Hey, the moon and stars don't lie

Skip

iTablet is NOT GOING TO APPEAR IN 2009! Why do people always want the tablet out so fast? I'll rather wait till 2010 after Apple has properly sorted out everything and announces it in January ( Consider the tablet a Mac ) rather than an iPod and music event. ( Consider the tablet as a large iPod )
post #99 of 116
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

I hope they change the UI and the remote. Both give a very poor user experience at the moment. I really don't like having to scroll down to the 4th or 5th menu option to access my library and having to hold down buttons to perform basic functionality. I'm surprised such inadequencies slipped through Apple's QA.

Ever use Apple Remote on the iPhone. That seems like the logical form of travel, I think. Would be pricey but if they bundle an iTouch Mini (Nano) with the AppleTV that would be neat. Then we are looking at a $499 price point if you add in App Store, Wireless joystick like controllers, BD Drive support and integrated Internet TV. Come to think of it, like that I might buy one myself.

Apple is well known for their idiosyncrasy. Kinda what makes them unique.
post #100 of 116
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Originally Posted by Trajectory View Post

I hope that current Apple TV owners won't be left behind with whatever the new upgrade will be. Hopefully the update will include the software and crappy interface.

Yeah jeez, they really should throw us current owners a bone here, we've been waiting for some kind of official increase in functionality for some time how, there's gotta be a bit more they can squeeze out of the current hardware.
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post #101 of 116
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Originally Posted by xwiredtva View Post

Handbrake won't rip BR?

(I honestly don't know, anyone try it?)

WHo owns an external BR drive? anyone?
post #102 of 116
I hate how apple let's certain products flounder. In the computer world, waiting 2 years for something is like having a sick elderly Grandparent. Are they going to recover, or ...

I know it's about timing when they enter the marketplace with a DVR, etc., but at least upgrade the chips??

I'm the type that will probably never buy a Blue-ray player as I believe we'll jump over that and go straight into direct digital (Stored or streamed) and when you hear of technologies like RedRay, I think it's the future. THat would all but clinch the market if Apple bought them and actually implemented it as it's seemingly a bit of vaporware right now?

http://blogs.zdnet.com/home-theater/?p=731
post #103 of 116
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Originally Posted by Porchland View Post

I don't see it happening.

1. Apple could easily have gone the DVR route already -- by adding it to Apple TV or buying TIVO for very, very cheap -- and hasn't.

2. Adding DVR functionality to Apple TV would cannibalize iTunes Store without adding getting anything in return, which is the same reason the Apple TV does not have a DVD or Blu-ray player.

3. Adding DVR functionality to Apple TV would strengthen consumer commitment to cable/satellite, and Apple will not be able to get wide adoption of a subscription plan in the $50-$60/month range unless they turn Apple TV into a Comcast-killer, i.e., a direct competitor to cable and satellite.

4. Apple usually makes the thing -- not the thing that helps the thing. Adding DVR functionality to Apple TV would really be an enhancement to your cable -- another company's product -- and I can't come up with another example where Apple does that. Again, it strengthens the tie to the other product rather than to the one Apple makes.


Exactamundo...
post #104 of 116
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

WHo owns an external BR drive? anyone?

Not me, but they are getting cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827249040
post #105 of 116
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

The new AppleTV needs to allow other online media providers to provide apps / plugins to interface with their programming systems. For example in the UK we have iPlayer and 4od (and Virgin On Demand, and Dave On Demand, and others, but the others are the primary players in the market) which provide free on-demand programming from their back catalogues and recently shown on TV stuff. These providers will not want to provide their content via a third-party "store", especially as they've already got their own infrastructure to provide the shows for free.

It's quite simple in that I will not buy an Apple TV until it incorporates the ability to interface with other programming providers, even if the other providers have to program their own add-in functionality for the device and provide it via an AppleTV App Store (or automatically downloaded once the AppleTV knows which country it is running in). I can understand these plug-in applications being forced to use a certain UI style and mode of operation, and I can understand that media that they download should be put into the single repository on the device (or media server connected to the device) instead of having separate browsable libraries. But without iPlayer and 4od support in the UK, the device is irrelevant.

Also: HDMI 1.3a (or 1.4) output.
Also: Future external BluRay drive (that fits neatly on top, interfacing via USB). This does require the next AppleTV to be capable of decoding and outputting 1080p at 45mbps though.
Also: 802.11n, Bluetooth remotes with more than 6 buttons that are big enough to remain visible.

Apple wants to sell and rent content from the itunes store, not give you a blu-ray player and a dvr for your cable. Not only would them allowing other content not pay off for them, It would cannibalize sales from the itunes store.

I agree It would be nice if appletv could replace more devices in my living room like my dvr, disc player, etc. I just don't see them doing this.
post #106 of 116
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Originally Posted by cdyates View Post

Apple wants to sell and rent content from the itunes store, not give you a blu-ray player and a dvr for your cable. Not only would them allowing other content not pay off for them, It would cannibalize sales from the itunes store.

I agree It would be nice if appletv could replace more devices in my living room like my dvr, disc player, etc. I just don't see them doing this.

I hope and think that Apple is beginning to realize that this is a no win situation. This strict iTunes jukebox dogma nonsense is not going to sell enmasse in itself. It needs more.
post #107 of 116
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

WHo owns an external BR drive? anyone?

FWIW, Handbrake is available on other platforms. While the machine that serves media to my AppleTV is a Mac Mini, it's only a G4 and isn't practical for ripping my DVDs. For that I have a homebrew C2D running Ubuntu with a copy of Handbrake.

I don't believe it can rip BD out-of-the-box however. In fact, the latest version doesn't come with the DeCSS stuff required for ripping DVDs (one must also download VLC; Handbrake utilises the VLC library when ripping DVDs).

A bit of Googling leads me to believe that Handbrake does not support BD ripping, and that there is no intention to add support for it. At the moment it appears that's limited to a few Windows tools, the most commonly mentioned one being a commercial product that runs about $100. It's a real shame as I have a large collection of HD DVD media that I'd like to rip before my player dies and I end up with a large collection of portable mirrors.
post #108 of 116
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Originally Posted by cdyates View Post

Apple wants to sell and rent content from the itunes store, not give you a blu-ray player and a dvr for your cable. Not only would them allowing other content not pay off for them, It would cannibalize sales from the itunes store.

I agree It would be nice if appletv could replace more devices in my living room like my dvr, disc player, etc. I just don't see them doing this.

I see people mentioning this all the time and I often wonder if that's really true. It's commonly believed that the iTunes music store really exists to sell more iPods; that Apple really doesn't make much money from the sale of music. I suspect they don't make much money from video content either, and if so, that means the video portion of the iTMS exists to sell more video-capable devices, including the AppleTV. It was that exact reason that led me to purchase my AppleTV over a PS3 when I was considering which HD-capable device to add to my HDTV. I have no regrets.

In any case, if they're trying to sell more hardware devices, then adding BD support to the AppleTV does make a certain amount of sense, especially when you consider just how many PS3s were sold solely because of its BD player. It might make some consumers who wouldn't otherwise have done pick up an AppleTV. They'd then discover the convenience of IPTV and make more purchases via the iTMS!

And as mentioned earlier in the thread, the HD content definitely does not compare in quality to my physical HD collection (in my case, HD-DVD; in other's, BD), but for the most part, it's good enough. I'm not in any hurry to add a BD player as a separate device. If Apple includes one in the next AppleTV however, I'll jump on it.
post #109 of 116
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I hope and think that Apple is beginning to realize that this is a no win situation. This strict iTunes jukebox dogma nonsense is not going to sell enmasse in itself. It needs more.

I think simple web access would make the most sense. Then we could at least use it for HULU and other online providers. I think they have left out the web browser just for this reason, though.

It's in our interest for them to allow other content sources, but it only cannibalizes itunes store sales, which isn't really in their interest.

we will see.
post #110 of 116
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Originally Posted by djames42 View Post

They'd then discover the convenience of IPTV and make more purchases via the iTMS!

From my experience, convenience is not the word that comes to mind. More like pain. When I tried to view the HD trailers, I get a black screen when I click on the HD trailer button as I wonder if the AppleTV is hung. The video shows up after a few minutes. Whenever my AppleTV accesses iTunes, there is that spinning cursor.

And then there is that "authorized" thing. I need to be authorized to watch my purchase? I don't think so.
post #111 of 116
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From my experience, convenience is not the word that comes to mind. More like pain. When I tried to view the HD trailers, I get a black screen when I click on the HD trailer button as I wonder if the AppleTV is hung. The video shows up after a few minutes. Whenever my AppleTV accesses iTunes, there is that spinning cursor.

And then there is that "authorized" thing. I need to be authorized to watch my purchase? I don't think so.

sounds like maybe you have some throughput problems, network congestion, slow internet connection, slow wireless or something like that. I notice that when I watch HD trailers over my internet connection, I get some stuttering and pausing to wait for more to download, etc... I usually just watch the SD trailers. For tv shows or movies, I can get the HD and just wait a little longer before starting it and eliminate the problems with a not so great internet connection.

If it is slow accessing iTunes, I know that if you have a large library, it can take a while for the apple tv to download the database, playlists, etc. then parse them so you can have access to them over the network. Otherwise you may have a slow wireless network or a lot of traffic on it or something.

For the "authorized" issue, this sounds like the HDCP problem you will run into with HD content if your monitor is not HDCP compliant - this happened to me when I used my apple tv with a computer monitor that wasn't HDCP compliant. If you switch to using the component video connection it may fix that problem.
post #112 of 116
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Originally Posted by cdyates View Post

sounds like maybe you have some throughput problems, network congestion, slow internet connection, slow wireless or something like that. I notice that when I watch HD trailers over my internet connection, I get some stuttering and pausing to wait for more to download, etc... I usually just watch the SD trailers. For tv shows or movies, I can get the HD and just wait a little longer before starting it and eliminate the problems with a not so great internet connection.

If it is slow accessing iTunes, I know that if you have a large library, it can take a while for the apple tv to download the database, playlists, etc. then parse them so you can have access to them over the network. Otherwise you may have a slow wireless network or a lot of traffic on it or something.

For the "authorized" issue, this sounds like the HDCP problem you will run into with HD content if your monitor is not HDCP compliant - this happened to me when I used my apple tv with a computer monitor that wasn't HDCP compliant. If you switch to using the component video connection it may fix that problem.

I have a 802.11n router and 1.5 Mbps DSL, so no slow wireless yes slow internet. However, it is still a big turn-off to get a black screen for a while when clicking on a button to play video. Wife and kid ask, "what happened" and my response is "it's coming" as I deflect that "you paid what for that?" look.

I don't have an HDCP issue because my HDTV is HDCP compliant. I never bought anything from iTunes because of the whole authorized concept. It just sounds too totalitarian. I know Blu-ray has it's DRM but that would be out the door if it ever mentioned anything about authorized.
post #113 of 116
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I have a 802.11n router and 1.5 Mbps DSL, so no slow wireless yes slow internet. However, it is still a big turn-off to get a black screen for a while when clicking on a button to play video. Wife and kid ask, "what happened" and my response is "it's coming" as I deflect that "you paid what for that?" look.

I've often wondered if it was my setup, or my Internet connection that caused this. As I've said a hundred times, I love my AppleTV. However, streaming HD trailers is beyond painful - I usually have to wait about five minutes (at least) before playback starts (even with SD trailers I have to wait around 30 seconds). The last time I bought a TV show (even a SD version) that I wanted to watch right away, I had to wait literally thirty minutes before it was ready to stream.

I have 1.5 DSL from Speakeasy (which is a top notch provider) and have wondered if I should try Comcast (a company I loathe). I'm paying a right premium for my service (it's $70/month) and feel like I should be getting better speeds. Will simply switching to Cable give me near-instant access to content? Will Comcast's filtering limit my bandwidth (both to the iTMS and to the newsgroups where some of my content is sourced)?

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I don't have an HDCP issue because my HDTV is HDCP compliant. I never bought anything from iTunes because of the whole authorized concept. It just sounds too totalitarian. I know Blu-ray has it's DRM but that would be out the door if it ever mentioned anything about authorized.

Bit of a non-issue for me, really, at least as far as TV shows go. I don't mind paying $40/year for a subscription to a series. For movies, however, I don't like the idea of paying $15 for a film that doesn't come with everything on a DVD that I would pay about the same (or less) for. And as movies to me have a long shelf-life (I often re-watch movies I've owned for years), I am somewhat concerned with DRM and the impact that may have on my ability to watch content I've paid for in the future -- what happens if the iTMS goes away, and with it the only way I have to authorize my paid-for content...?
post #114 of 116
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Originally Posted by djames42 View Post

However, streaming HD trailers is beyond painful - I usually have to wait about five minutes (at least) before playback starts (even with SD trailers I have to wait around 30 seconds).

Forgot to mention, BTW, that I don't see the blank screen you do. Within moments I get a progress bar. While it may not move as quickly as I'd like it to, at least I know something is happening
post #115 of 116
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Originally Posted by djames42 View Post

Forgot to mention, BTW, that I don't see the blank screen you do. Within moments I get a progress bar. While it may not move as quickly as I'd like it to, at least I know something is happening

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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

I have a 802.11n router and 1.5 Mbps DSL, so no slow wireless yes slow internet. However, it is still a big turn-off to get a black screen for a while when clicking on a button to play video. Wife and kid ask, "what happened" and my response is "it's coming" as I deflect that "you paid what for that?" look.

I don't have an HDCP issue because my HDTV is HDCP compliant. I never bought anything from iTunes because of the whole authorized concept. It just sounds too totalitarian. I know Blu-ray has it's DRM but that would be out the door if it ever mentioned anything about authorized.

Yeah that's strange. Even when I'm having connection issues and have to wait a while I never get a black screen - just the loading icon. I do wish they would show a progress bar or something more than just loading...
post #116 of 116
apple TV upgrade is a go, how do i know, because there are all kinds of articles of youtube going premium service
so you wonder why google is no longer on apples board, google is competing with apple on browser, phone os, phone and now google TV rentals.
so google knows of apples path, apple TV must be a really cool something, can't wait
google already knows how great it is.
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