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post #41 of 143
Perhaps he woul have been more accurate if he said "Why are people from New Jersey so fat?"

No, seriously, a majority of our population *is* overweight, and a good portion is categorically obese. Stereotypes exist because there are some truths in them. Generally, the American standard is "more for your money," and when it only costs 30 cents to add 1500 calories to your McDonald's meal, that's a strikingly better deal.

I don't think it's an issue of laziness at all, just portions...maybe a little bit of laziness after you already become obese. If Americans were truly lazy, the US would not function.

It's like saying "Asians and Jews are good at math." Statistically, that generalization isn't far from the truth.

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post #42 of 143
Additionally, genetics is involved. The average Tongan or Samoan you see walking down the street is most likely quite rotund. I don't think it's the diet that makes them this way.

I eat like a pig, but I'm borderline emaciated. My metabolism doesn't allow me to be fat at this point in my life, but that could change.

That energy has to go somewhere. It takes me well over an hour to fall asleep every night.
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post #43 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Why are all foreigners so stereotypical?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Humor on a high level :cool:
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post #44 of 143
Because we eat Afghan babies. Don't you read European newspapers?
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post #45 of 143
I went to my local outdoor mall this afternoon and after I made my purchase I sat in my car for a few minutes and watched people exiting K-Mart, and yes, people are definitely larger than I've seen in say Europe or Japan. Quite a big percentage of all the people I noticed were anything between slightly overweight with 'middle-age spread', or beer bellies, to plainly obese. Lots of the kids I noticed too, specially the boys were overweight also. Perhaps because we have the world's highest standard of living it is hardly surprising that Americans tend to be larger in all dimensions than most of the rest of the world.
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post #46 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>I eat like a pig, but I'm borderline emaciated. My metabolism doesn't allow me to be fat at this point in my life, but that could change.

That energy has to go somewhere. It takes me well over an hour to fall asleep every night.</strong><hr></blockquote>Wow! I'm exactly the same. :eek:

People are always asking me, "why dotcha put a little meat on dem' bones?" <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Uhh, I try. I really do. "would you like fries with that?" "Yes, please!! Can't you see I'm wasting away here??"
post #47 of 143
He is absolutely right and people should stop seeing this as simply another excuse to get into a political snit. . . its not political (only)

Americans are statistically much more overwieght than Europeans. And besides the stats (as listed in such places as fast food nation above) I have had much personal experience. I have spent much time recently abroad.

In Europe, --Germany, Belgiam and France-- I never saw an obese person that was not American -except for maybe once on the coast of the Mediteranean. THen when I returned to Upstate New York I could not believe my eyes. Every white male above the age of 28 was overwieght, and every female above 22 ,and many young people as well. EXCEPT for African Americans, who tended to have less obese men and more obese middle aged women.

But i think much of it it is a regional thing. In Northern California, and Oregon, where I have spent time there are fewer fat people. Many people there are recreational and/or can afford the gym fees.

Much of it is the fact that many people are forced to eat what is available: mostly fast food, or franchise theme-restauraunts, or they have to shop at the local strip mall markets, which have very little as far as choice of food. Add no time for making and taking, and next thing you know, you are forced to eat the Mad-Cow Triple Patty Biggie Sized Combo Special.


But even with choice there is a class reality to diet: I saw a show recently about class and it had a segment about a co-op style food store that replaced a franchise supermarket in a working class nieghborhood --the locals were livid -- they felt that the people from the new store would insult them and think that they were better than them. And even with the store selling nutritional breads and locally baked breads, the best selling bread was Wonderbread. Many people equate learning about healthy food with some kind of elitism . . . and often, the dreadlocked dude at the freaky co-op down in that other neighborhood actually does think that he is better than you . . . we all know he may not be better, but, he probably IS healthier...

Anyway -its mostly due to lack of walking (in Europe everybody walks --and you know what? its great--) and intense Biggie-Sizing in order to beat the local franchulate competition.
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post #48 of 143
Flame broil me if you must , but hear me out:

Sugar.

You ingest sugar.

It goes into the bloodstream.
It is then metabolized by insulin.
Insulin produces fat which is deposited in your veins and arteries, and in your waste, thighs and, personally, in my jowls, Jackie Gleason like chins and my big fat ass.

If you go 'healthy' and eat carbohydrates, here's what happens.

You eat carbohydrates and mix them with saliva as you chew them (try this at home: take a saltine cracker, chew the hell out of it and salivate as much as you can. You will taste... sweetness). You turn carbohydrates into... sugar. See above.

Caffeine... stimulates insulin production which makes fat.... "Diet" Coke indeed!

Sugar was rare before the 20th century. There were no diagnosed heart attacks either.

For more, read 'The New Atkins Diet' by Robert Atkins. And read it before you flame me.

Now for my personal observations:

I've experimented with the Atkins diet for the better part of two years. The results are most promising. Members of my family have gone on the Atkins diet with results proportional to how well they have adhered to it.

The Atkins diet works best with exercise. I haven't been able to exercise because I've got three kids and I spend a lot of time with them (actually, with the way that I've been eating (when I go off the Atkins diet) I should look like a blimp, so maybe I am getting exercise by playing with them . My knees have precluded running or any aerobic exercise (with my legs). (excuses, excuses....)

When I've done the Atkins diet properly, just the diet with no regular exercise, my energy increases, my attitude improves, my mind clears, my pants get loose, my kidneys are just fine and my blood pressure sinks.

The principles of the diet work to my satisfaction. After the holidays, I'm going to hit the Atkins Diet again. This time I'm going to exercise like Dr. Atkins suggests. I've been running three times AND NO STRUCTURAL KNEE PAIN! This time I'm going to follow the instructions.

I'll tell you what. I'll take a before picture and an after picture and post them on a web page and let you SEE how it went. I pledge not to Photoshop the results!

Now I've made a public assertion that I'm going to do this. Feel free to KICK MY ASS IF YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT THIS FROM ME BY APRIL 1, 2002.
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post #49 of 143
I blame it on the food, mostly. My God we do love our calories (I know I do). Also stress and not enough exercise. Not too surprising.

And it's true about the Japanese, they be crazy thin. Even the Sumoos, they really have to work for those pounds. Ever seen a Sumoo match? Those thin little rakes that adjudicate are all retired wrestlers. I guess the weight sort of just falls off after you throw in the towel.
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Additionally, genetics is involved. The average Tongan or Samoan you see walking down the street is most likely quite rotund. I don't think it's the diet that makes them this way.
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Actually, I saw a documentary when I was in Japan about this. Apparently, when Samoa was introduced to Western-style foods in the middling part of the 20th century is when they started getting so portly and that. If they stick to the traditional Samoan diet, they're really quite svelte.
But of course the traditional Samoan diet is (no offense intended) somewhere between rat poison and extra-chunky Quaker Oats mixed with raw uncooked fish intestines, as far as I could gather.
post #50 of 143
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post #51 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by Aries 1B:
<strong>Sugar was rare before the 20th century. There were no diagnosed heart attacks either. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I saw a special on TeeVee about mummies. There was one in China so well preserved they were able to do an autopsy. The woman died of a heart attack. She was fat too.
post #52 of 143
lol, if she were mummiefied, she was probably some rich ruler who ate like the average 6 year old does in the U.S.

i'm sure the food eaten by people in the U.S. is the big problem with why over 67% of adults are obese. oh well.

with all the threads about morals floating around, i wonder how the McDonald's/BurgerKing owners sleep at night.

lol, they're next after the cig. companies.
post #53 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
<strong>lol, if she were mummiefied, she was probably some rich ruler who ate like the average 6 year old does in the U.S.</strong><hr></blockquote>

She was rich, or her husband was. But the idea that there was no heart attacks before modern times is bull shit. Oh I'm sorry, no "diagnosed" heart attacks.
post #54 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
[QB]i wonder how the McDonald's/BurgerKing owners sleep at night.<hr></blockquote>

On top of a big pile of money with many beautiful ladies.
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post #55 of 143
lol, scott H., i completely agree with you about the heart attack claim. i'd have to see that one in writing before i believed it. but i'm sure the diet nowadays is about a thousnad times worse than they used to be. oh well, we'll just keep getting better and better medecine to deal with people's lazy ass problems. keeps everyone in a job you know.
post #56 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Why would that be racism?</strong><hr></blockquote>

rac·ism
n.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Americans (the race) are fat (the discrimination/prejudice) = Racist

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post #57 of 143
"Actually, I saw a documentary when I was in Japan about this. Apparently, when Samoa was introduced to Western-style foods in the middling part of the 20th century is when they started getting so portly and that. If they stick to the traditional Samoan diet, they're really quite svelte."

Your statements corroborate mine. They're eating the same food I am. If I stuck to a traditional Samoan diet I would most likely starve.
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post #58 of 143
You think we're fat now? Just wait until we're riding our Segways down the driveway on the way to our cars!

I'm not fat, though I have a bit of a paunch. I'm 5'10" and 160 lbs. I eat like shit. I don't work out. 90% of my exersize is walking or climbing the two flights of stairs to my flat. That's only because my sex life sucks right now, though.

If I ever get a Segway, I'll be sure and get a horny GF to offset the walking I wouldn't be doing.
post #59 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
<strong>I'm not fat, though I have a bit of a paunch. I'm 5'10" and 160 lbs. I eat like shit. I don't work out. 90% of my exersize is walking or climbing the two flights of stairs to my flat. That's only because my sex life sucks right now, though.

If I ever get a Segway, I'll be sure and get a horny GF to offset the walking I wouldn't be doing. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe that's it!

Europeans and Rest of World must be having more sex than Americans!

J :cool:
post #60 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by jamiemarshall:
<strong>Americans (the race) are fat (the discrimination/prejudice) = Racist</strong><hr></blockquote>Americans are a "race?"
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[quote]Originally posted by Aries 1B:
<strong>For more, read 'The New Atkins Diet' by Robert Atkins. And read it before you flame me.</strong><hr></blockquote>Absolute, unadulterated, unscientific, Oprah-book-club hooey.
post #61 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by jamiemarshall:
<strong>

Maybe that's it!

Europeans and Rest of World must be having more sex than Americans!

J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>


Actually, I just read a report that Americans claim to have sex more frequently and with more partners then any other country in the world.

If I find the link to the report I'll post it.
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post #62 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by Willoughby:
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Actually, I just read a report that Americans claim to have sex more frequently and with more partners then any other country in the world.

If I find the link to the report I'll post it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes i have heard this on a french radio (equivalent of the BBC), they said also that the french people are in second position.
post #63 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:
<strong>they said also that the french people are in second position.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What position is that? Doggie style?

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post #64 of 143
french poodle style
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post #65 of 143
Regarding diet and exercise....

My friend and I are both vegans.

My friend exercises regularly yet is over 1.5 times my weight. We pretty much eat the same types of foods, but I don't exercise as much as I should.

Oh and that extra 1.5x is certainly not muscle!

me: 120
friend: 180
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post #66 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by Willoughby:
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Actually, I just read a report that Americans claim to have sex more frequently and with more partners then any other country in the world.
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What? You even lie more than us
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post #67 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>Absolute, unadulterated, unscientific, Oprah-book-club hooey.
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Actually it is not. It is a way to get rid of fat. It is just not a great diet for long periods of time.

But then, if you'd read the book, you would know that Atkins recommend that you stay on the wacky no carb part for a short time and then gradually re-introduce them.

The unfortunate reality that most people don't want to face is that if you want to keep that svelte waistline, it is a 24/7 job. Period. Unless you are like Eugene and can eat a candy store every day and not gain a pound (and yes, Eugene, I promise you that will not be the case when you are 40), or on serious drugs, you have to "just say no" pretty much for the rest of your life and get your butt off the sofa.

Sucks, doesn't it?
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post #68 of 143
The only solution to fat is exercise. That, or being locked in a box with unlimited supply of water and vitamins. You feel like shit either way.

The only way for me to get thin would be to join the Army or go to one of the military academies where there's no choice: you run around ALL the time.
post #69 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by tmp:
<strong>(and yes, Eugene, I promise you that will not be the case when you are 40)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know. I have a friend that's mid thirties and he's showing no signs of gaining weight despite the fact that he get lunch at Gold Coast Dogs and get dinner at Burito Hut #12.
post #70 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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What? You even lie more than us </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hah! Either way that says something about American morals.

Speaking of which, is there something wrong with me for finding this story amusing? I do feel bad for the guy, but geez, a furniture truck!! (this is on topic by the way)

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post #71 of 143
You *do* realize that you have to die of something...
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post #72 of 143
All of this is making me reallly really hungry (no joke!)

BTW, I eat lots and don't gain any weight. I'm 5'11 and 145 or so lbs. Actually I was 150 after eating all that KFC a couple nights ago

[edit: spelled weight as wait :eek: ]

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post #73 of 143
The reason that NA is so overweight is that everything is too convenient. You want food? order in. You want to go somewhere? Drive.

its all too easy.
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post #74 of 143
Those of you who don't have or have never had a weight problem need to butt out. I have been up and down for years. I have tried exercise, dieting in many different ways, etc.

I have found many things that work...running, eating certain types of food, etc. The bottom line is that unless you have a quick metabolism (like my brother) then you have to stick to regimen MOST of the time...but not always.

We do, as Americans, have sedentary (sp?) life styles. We do eat too much fat and calories....but, those of you bitching for people to "get off their fat asses and do something" may not have it quite right. Many people in this country exercise and eat right and are still fat....that is genetics my friend. Furthermore, calories and fat affect my metabolism and body much differently than, as mentioned, my brother. If I exercise the same amount and eat the same things he does, I WILL gain weight....that is just a difference in our bodies.

I started slim fast once a day for lunch and it has worked great. I eat a bananna and drink coffee for breakfast, have my slim fast for lunch, then eat more liberally at dinner. I have avoided dessert most nights, but not all. I've lost about 10 pds in two weeks.....I think I'll stick with it..

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post #75 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>Absolute, unadulterated, unscientific, Oprah-book-club hooey.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Have you read the Atkins diet book?

What specific part didn't you agree with? Why?
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post #76 of 143
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
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I saw a special on TeeVee about mummies. There was one in China so well preserved they were able to do an autopsy. The woman died of a heart attack. She was fat too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Were the mummies from an agrarian population or from a population of people who were meat eaters?

Another book , "Protein Power" by Dr. Michael Eades and Dr. Mary Dan Eades states that the Egyptian mummies suffered from tooth decay, atherlosclerosis, and, by virtue of their large skin folds, they were fat. They were an agrarian society (Carbohydrate eaters)... just like we're being told that we should be... interestingly enough by people LIKE Oprah Winfrey (She of the Texas Cattle Trial a while back). Carbs are working for her!

In another part of 'Protein Power", there is mention of a study by a Claire M. Cassidy, Ph.D., an Anthropologist. Her study compares two populations of people who lived in what is now Kentucky. The first population was a tribe of Indians who were hunter-gatherers (predominantly meat eaters) who enjoyed good health. The second population, closer to us in time, was a farming community. The skeletal remains of each population have results consistent with what I've experienced personally with my experiences with both Carbo diets and with the Atkins/Protein predominanty diet. Carbo populations are unhealthy. Protein populations are healthy.

As for my statement about heart attacks, let me back up a bit.

I stated that there were no heart attacks in the 19th century. That wasn't just a simplification. I got it wrong. Let me restate the point that I was trying to make.

In 1900, Heart Disease wasn't an epidemic. (i.e., there were deaths due to heart disease.)
In 2000, Heart Disease IS an epidemic.

What's changed between then and now? Our diet has changed.

I thought that this was all crap until I tried the Atkins diet, controlled what I ate, introduced certain foods and monitored the physical, mental and behavioral effects. I'll stick to Atkins and eat all the semi-cooked meat and vitamin supplements that I can find.

You don't wanna give up or reduce carbs? Wanna keep your protein and fats down? Oakalee-doakalee. Please, go ahead and gorge yourself... and your arteries. Have a nice trip.
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post #77 of 143
I'm 5'11", 220 lbs. What's my recipe for success? I eat plenty of junk food and don't exercise, and that's pretty much been my routine for about five years. It's getting annoying, and I'm getting running shoes.
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post #78 of 143
[quote]We do, as Americans, have sedentary (sp?) life styles. We do eat too much fat and calories....but, those of you bitching for people to "get off their fat asses and do something" may not have it quite right. Many people in this country exercise and eat right and are still fat....that is genetics my friend. Furthermore, calories and fat affect my metabolism and body much differently than, as mentioned, my brother. If I exercise the same amount and eat the same things he does, I WILL gain weight....that is just a difference in our bodies. <hr></blockquote>

sorry man, but i think that's just total crap. now the part about you and your brother is probably true. that's not the point. so he can take in 3,000 calories a day and not bat an eye, that doesn't mean that everyone should. i really don't get this arguement of genetics. that's total bullshit. if you control the amount of calories you take in, you cannot gain weight, regardless of genetics. (so we can't all eat like a horse, so what. everyone's different)

sorry, it's just not possible. if you burn 2,000 calories a day, and you take in 3,000, you'll gain weight. if you burn 2,000 and take in 1,900, you'll lose weight. end of story. you cannot gain weight from something that has no caloric value. therefore, you can't gain weight if you don't take in more calories than you burn. this is where exercise comes in.

most poeple like to eat 3,000 to 5,000 calories a day. we eat like total crap. the only way to make up for this is to exercise. point is, if you were willing to change your eating habits, you wouldn't gain weight, whether you exercised or not. but it's damn hard to restrict yourself to a lower caloric intake.

at least, that's my opinion.

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post #79 of 143
why are americans all so fat????


it's a secret weapon we are working on.

we could tell you about it ...but you know what we would have to do to you then.
post #80 of 143
Some people would be in pain if they ate only what they had to to maintain a balance of what the burn. Think about it. Something as tiny as a Hostess cupcake probably has nearly 300 calories. I can eat about a half dozen of those in one sitting. The Hostess pies usually have 500+ calories. It's pretty damn easy tallying up calories. A Sprite has 140 calories.

You know how many calories are in a bag of peanuts?

Why don't you buy the genetics stuff? I can tell you I'm much happier that I can eat whatever I want whenever I want. 2000 calorie diets as an average doesn't mean the body consumes 2000 calories. There's a lot of waste...waste full of energy. Perhaps fatter people are much more efficient at converting food to stored energy (fat.)

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Since I come from a family of physicians, I know the high-protein diet is in...and largely works. So the nay-sayers in this thread can stop arguing with Aries.

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As for getting back to the original topic.

Deep fried Three Musketeers anyone?

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