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post #1 of 30
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I'm trying to figure out why this line has been cut from the re-release of E.T.

I love the original E.T., but I'm not a purist. I don't mind it when the original directors add new scenes or touch up the special effects, but it bugs me when they change things out of social sensitivity. Lucas did it with Star Wars where he had Han Solo shoot Greedo only after being fired upon as if young movie goers aren't intelligent enough to recognize self-defense against an imminent threat.

Now Penisbreath is gone. Why? I'm wondering if Geffen (the G in SKG Dreamworks and himself a homosexual) had some influence on Speilberg. Before I get labeled as a homophobic, conspiracy theorist let me go through the obligate, Seinfield-esque, disclaimer and state for the record that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. But I do believe that there is an effort by some to "cleanse" our language of certain sentiments. The line is used, after all, as an epithet.

I suppose the pressure to omit the line could just as easily come from the psuedo-family values crowd who are terrified that young-ins could be introduced to the notion of having penis on one's breath.

But what everyone is forgetting is that it is simply hilarious to see Elliot call his older brother Penisbreath! Even the mother cracks up in a non-scripted fashion which humanizes the characters instantly and makes the film real.

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post #2 of 30
Interesting...I didn't hear about that. Did you hear about them air brushing out the police officers shot guns?
You can actually see this scene in the trailer. You know how the kids are speeding towards the cops on their bikes and they suddenly take off into the air?
Well the police officers in that scene were holding shot guns, now they hold walkie talkies!

So if he doesn't say "penis breath" what does he say?
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post #3 of 30
Penisbreath is a little over the Top for a childs movie but digitally taking out the shotguns is a little wimpish. American children are priveledged to grow up in a society free from the constant armed environment that some children grow up in. It's time we toughened up a bit.
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post #4 of 30
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[quote]Originally posted by Willoughby:
<strong> Did you hear about them air brushing out the police officers shot guns? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I almost forgot about that. Also a stupid move. What, are kids supposed to think that the police and the Feds would come after them with nerf guns if they were harboring an alien?
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So if he doesn't say "penis breath" what does he say?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think he calls him "dick sucker," Seriously, I don't know. I can't imagine they would take the scene out altogether.

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post #5 of 30
That happened for the same reason the bounty hunter shoots at Han Solo first in the new Star Wars re-release.

Commercial filmmakers have no balls. They can't stand up to the right and left-wing PC movement.
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post #6 of 30
The Penis-breath thing was one of the funniest lines in the whole movie. You're just sitting there, watching this typical family at the table, then all of a sudden, this little kid (who you'd never expect to know such a term) slings "penis breath" at his brother. Cracked me up back then, still does.

Spielberg can be pretty gutless sometimes, despite some of his more daring movies. The answer to the original question though, is that in today's society it's quite popular for media types to write in gay characters and such into their sitcoms -- even where such topics have no relevance -- thus it's bound to be equally popular to remove all negative references to homosexuals in remade movies.

Can't let the words "fag" or "homo" or "penis-breath" be heard anymore...because you know, we have to pretend like no one uses them. Pretty soon people in movies are going to talk like politicians on a news show, always editing themselves where in the company of average people they'd say something totally different. Hollywood losers....
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post #7 of 30
I just gotta wonder what insults will replace homophobic ones.

We're being deprived of our only natural rights to swear and cuss. Why can't I call an asshole an asshole? Becuase it's derogatory to receptive men.
post #8 of 30
*lol*



In America, everyone is entitled to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to not be offended by anyone or anything...hurting someone's "feewings" is against the law now. Anyone hears something they are offended by, they should sue immediately if not sooner - that's what I say. Sue! Sue ! Sue!

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"In America, everyone is entitled to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to not be offended by anyone or anything...hurting someone's "feewings" is against the law now. Anyone hears something they are offended by, they should sue immediately if not sooner - that's what I say. Sue! Sue ! Sue!"

It's not only hurting their feelings it's also what we are teaching to our kids. If you want to go see a movie with bad words then do. There are plenty out there. Hell, If you looked hard enough I am sure you could find some anti-gay ones too. But thats not the point. The point is that this is a movie for children and those arn't the ideas that you want a child to be thinking about. They arn't ready to fully comprehend the consequences of calling someone a fag or ***hole. Its kinda like teaching them about global warming and then asking them what they are going to do about it. Until they are older and watch more adult movies with these concepts, they have the right to be protected. But I do think that the shotgun thing is funny
post #10 of 30
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[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
<strong>The Penis-breath thing was one of the funniest lines in the whole movie. You're just sitting there, watching this typical family at the table, then all of a sudden, this little kid (who you'd never expect to know such a term) slings "penis breath" at his brother. Cracked me up back then, still does.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ya know, Moogs, you won't see any politicians or pastors stepping forward to say something like that even though they know it to be true. It's nice to hear someone else speak against this effort to make everything rated G.

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Spielberg can be pretty gutless sometimes, despite some of his more daring movies.
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I think Speilberg has lost his edge. He started going for critical aclaim and award recognition with Empire of the Sun, Schindler's list, Private Ryan, and production credits and let his fresh, youthful perspective die away. Really good sci-fi is a lot more difficult and profound than these "based on a true story dramas." A.I. was a big let down.

Hey Moogs, ya ever going to return to the cloning thread? I don't even know if you caught my last response.

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post #11 of 30
It was in there originally, keep it.

People these days.

what's wrong with a little ?
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[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
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Be afraid...
post #13 of 30
Ho-ly Shit...that has got to be the most fuked up smiley I've ever seen (including all of Sinewave's masterpieces)...be afraid indeed. Jonathon, I'd ask what you've been smoking but the smiley makes me wonder if it might be self-evident (and thus insulting to ask, so I won't).

Anyway, I just think people are way to freakin sensitive. Yeah it is a movie fit for kids, even in it's original form. You know, you'd think all the PC parents out there would be a little more astute in observing the following factoid: their kids hear bad language on a regular basis on the playgrounds. Anyone remember say, 4th or 5th grade? Vulgarities out the ying-yang!

I tend to subscribe to the George Carlin school of censorship when it comes to "bad" language. Words is words is words (in most cases). Teach your kids on your terms (and not Hollywood's) and it's not such a big deal when they hear said words.
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hmm, reminds me about how C.S. Lewis' book rights were bought out (the Narnia or Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe series), by Time Warner perhaps? not sure who bought them, one of three big publisher/media companies left.

they're talking about taking out all references to Christianity in the books. for those of you who haven't read his works, that was an integral part of his life and writing. i find this to be very disturbing. after the words/movies are redone, the old versions fade away, until you never know what they originally said.

i think the internet is actually your only hope in this case. someone convert their old VHS of E.T. into Divx and put it on the web for everyone to download. get enough original copies out there for it to never fade away.

-alcimedes

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:eek: <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

That's some funny stuff guys. And how true...

Now I'm just waiting for the "digitally enhanced" version of The Wizard of Oz to be released where the house doesn't fall on the witch and the "munchkins" are airbrushed taller and sing a different song.

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post #16 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>It was in there originally, keep it.

People these days.

what's wrong with a little ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nice that you have time to post this crap but can't respond to my last post in "Locking Threads", Jonathan
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post #17 of 30
Good point Willoughby...I'd be a little pissed if I were you, too.

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[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
<strong>hmm, reminds me about how Clarke's book rights were bought out (the Narnia or Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe series), by Time Warner perhaps? not sure who bought them, one of three big publisher/media companies left.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean C.S. Lewis, right?
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post #19 of 30
h ah ha hah, yes, i mean lewis. it was really late and for the life of me i couldn't remember his name. i was about to start tearing apart the house to find my set. ahh, i feel a lot better now. thanks, i'll edit the above post accordingly.

post #20 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Honestly Jonathan. You are an administrator. First the goatse thing and now this. Stop please; this is a G-rated forum.
post #21 of 30
college-caused momentary lapse of judgement.

my apologies.
post #22 of 30
When talking about what DSL means in respect to lips.
Jonathan had this to say:
*the mouse goes onto the "Lock Topic" button*

Let's just leave it as a mystery, eh?
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Does anybody else find it odd that this is allowed?
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post #23 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by solo:
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Does anybody else find it odd that this is allowed?
Admins are good but who is going to be there to admin the admins? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


If this were a democratic system the Mods would look over the admins while the admins would keep check on the mods. The admins would not make a decision unless the majority of mods agreed on it.

Now, if there is an emergency, the Admins may declare an act of war without first consulting the mods, but this will only be used in extreme cases. Example:
MOSR launches a DOS attack on the AI servers, Jonathon may launch a counter DOS attack on the MOSR servers without Mod approval.

Every 4 months or so the general members of the board will vote for new admins and every 6 months new mods.

Of course the voting will be skewed based on which mods lock the least amount of threads. Would you vote for someone who locked your thread?

Also, if you donate money to a Mods campaign none of you threads will ever be locked. Ahh democracy.

I don't think it would work though. Maybe We should allow each member of the boards to be a Mod/Admin and we can all delete posts, ban people, and lock threads. The whole community will share the whole board. Everyone is equal.

I think I just proposed Communisim on the AI Boards.
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post #24 of 30
note that the Lips thread, literally 2 posts before, someone had said "dick sucking lips"... which it is... and i figured that rather than letting the conversation degenerate into off topicness (as this one has) i'd stop that right there..

Communism, eh?


...works in theory.... heh


Oh, and get this thread back on topic, damnit!
post #25 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
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Oh, and get this thread back on topic, damnit! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Jonathan...
SHUT UP PENISBREATH!

There, back on topic
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post #26 of 30
exxxxxcellent...

post #27 of 30
Nice one Willoughby.

Back to task.

I am not in favor of stoppin gpeople from saying "bad" words on their own time with no one else listening. Who's gonna police you?

The saying of oaths and swears are not HARMFUL to children except for the anger and humiliation the children learn it's okay to express. IT IS NOT OK TO TEACH YOUNG PEOPLE THAT IT IS GOOD TO DEMEAN AND DISHONOR OTHER PEOPLE.
They do not know about limiting and holding back hatred. They do not know about temperance and mediation.
The same thing applies to violence. I do not approve of teaching a 5-year old karate, because he does not yet know that the most important thing is NOT fighting.


Thus, I agree with the removal of the offending word from the remake. It makes the movie look a little silly (you can see what he says by his lip movements) but I agree with it nonetheless.

Then agiain, you could make the argument that it is the parent's jobto explain what is going and why one thing was said. I'd agree with that too. Hmm. Good question.
post #28 of 30
And I just realized something.

Penisbreath was my father's family's cussword. The four brothers would routinely use it in their youths to put eachother down.

So, perhaps Penisbreath was equivalent to calling someone a bastard today. Nowadays, penisbreath is insensitive to gays. I dunno why bastard is not insensitive to bastards. I suppose the opportuniteis for everyone to get rich in America nullify the fact of your birth.

I plan to get rich sometime soon.'
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[quote]Originally posted by cdhostage:
<strong>The saying of oaths and swears are not HARMFUL to children except for the anger and humiliation the children learn it's okay to express. IT IS NOT OK TO TEACH YOUNG PEOPLE THAT IT IS GOOD TO DEMEAN AND DISHONOR OTHER PEOPLE.
They do not know about limiting and holding back hatred. They do not know about temperance and mediation.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you both overestimate and underestimate kids here. When I saw the film as a kid (I guess I was about 10) I perceived the comment as nothing other than a put down of his brother (along the lines of "Shit-for-brains") and made no connection to sexual slurs of any kind. Same goes for Grease, I must have seen that twenty times (the theaters let you sit through multiple showings back then) and didn't notice any of the sexual references until I was much older.

As for underestimating kids- how many kids haven't heard the "sticks-or-stones" axiom? And siblings, especially, recognize the need to insult each other from time to time.

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The same thing applies to violence. I do not approve of teaching a 5-year old karate, because he does not yet know that the most important thing is NOT fighting.</strong><hr></blockquote>

As someone who's been through a couple different martial arts I can tell you three things- 1. Starting young makes a BIG difference and 2. An incredible amount of emphasis is placed on non-violence in most kids martial arts. 3. Until your very, very good trying to use karate on someone else will get your ass kicked so a bully 5 year old would get a quick lesson in humilty.

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Then agiain, you could make the argument that it is the parent's jobto explain what is going and why one thing was said. I'd agree with that too. Hmm. Good question.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The real question is would you deprive your kids of the wonder of seeing E.T. if that line had remained. Also, it is rated PG not G isn't it. I don't think it is JUST a kids movie.

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post #30 of 30
What a phony society we live in. I go into the supermarket to buy groceries and on line at the checkout I can see on the National Enquirer headlines like "Whitney Houston Beaten Up By Drug Dealer" and all sorts of things about JonBenet Ramsey, a child that was murdered. This supermarket serves the wealthiest people in Atlanta so it's not like we can blame this on ignorance. No, Americans are simply fascinated with other people's drug addictions and even death and this sleeze is in full view of children. Yet we have to save our children's "innocence" by removing "penisbreath" from E.T. I guess they just figured it wasn't worth the hassles they would get from gay rights groups.
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