Originally Posted by Turley Muller
I don't think AT&T deserves as much blame and ridicule as many are giving it. AT&T is certainly to blame, but considering the circumstances I think these problems would definitely occur on any other cell network in the US.
I really don't think so. AT&T had a crappy 3G network to begin with. Verizon's was far superior (and is). They knew the iPhone was going to be huge. They made the deal with Apple and crossed their fingers that they could rig their network not to look like assholes. "Go to bed and hope it all turns out OK in the morning." That's what they did.
The amount of consumption from iPhone users is astronomical. I got buddies doing 2-3GB a month, I only do about 200MB because I am on WiFi most always. Before the iPhone, These folks and I were maybe using 10MB, if even that. My point is that iPhone users consume 100's times more network capacity. I don't think anyone disputes that.
I agree, but AT&T had to know this. In fact, I'm sure they did. I think they knew their network couldn't handle it and did the deal anyway.
Consider that AT&T's subscriber base has increased about 25% in last two years. Long-term network infrastructure planning & investment had been generally based around sub growth. However, AT&Ts sub growth might have only been 25%, but consumption probably doubled or tripled, or more due to the iPhone. Now all of a sudden, one needs a network backbone 3X as big!
So in their network planning they just utterly ignored the iPhone's potential impact? Come on.
I get the sense that AT&T was in denial for some time, and tried quick and dirty fixes to its burgeoning problems instead of doing some heavy investment to get ahead of the problem. I think AT&T would be more aggressive with WiFi in urban areas to offload heavy data usage, but I have also heard that AT&T has backhaul problems so that wouldn't help much anyhow.
Agreed there. Quick and dirty, indeed.
Originally Posted by JeffDM
Yet, they offered the ability to email photos over EDGE right off the bat. They offered web browsing over EDGE, even though web browsing often requires much more data than a single emailed photo. You don't see a disconnect here?
DING DING DING! We have a winner. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Thanks guys. That was the best description I could come up with. It's pretty accurate.
Originally Posted by Logisticaldron
AT&T has clearly dropped the ball here in many ways but we can't just compare the data of regular Internet to thatnof MMS. While it uses the same "series of tubes" the content is stored on AT&T's servers. With the Push Notification Server needing to be reworked to accomodate a the iPhone traffic, the iPhone being the only phone in Flickr's top 5 devices posting images and just the shear amount of data that the iPhone uses AT&T may be a little too cautious here.
The problem is not their servers. The problem is the actual towers that comprise the network can't handle the volume of data and the number of simultaneous connections. We can absolutely
compare MMS to "other" data usage...it's the same network. Right now we have "regular" phone users doing MMS with no problem. We also have iPhone users who now use 10-100x the data of those users. So let me get this straight: Adding MMS to one kind of phone will add so much data as to strain the network? This, despite the average MMS being perhaps 1/10th the size of e-mailed photos?
I'd rather have them delay it until it works well instead the current situation of selling iPhones into a saturated network which means that despite the billions hey spend it's still just catchup and will likely never be good enough until the iPhone sales at AT&T subside for awhile.
If it really took them two years to get this ready, then their more incompetent than I thought.
Originally Posted by desarc
wow. so much bitching about having to wait another 3 days to use antiquated messaging on a cell phone. how have you all survived this long with only email, posting videos directly to facebook, and the entire internet? if you don't like it, switch carriers and use a blackberry.
You're not reading then. I don't really care about the 3 days. I care about two years. I care about shitty call quality. I care about delayed voicemails, dropped calls, etc. And I care about not being able to receive a simple picture message from friends and family without going online.