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Or at least its State Media did. With people like this reporting to their masses on state sanctioned and run airwaves it is no wonder that terrorism is rampant there.

<a href="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20011211/en/attacks_egypt_t" target="_blank">This story says it all.</a>

Here is one quote from the Egyptian reporter.

[quote]``I won't be terribly sad if one or six of (America's) planes plunged, if one or sixteen of its soldiers are captured, because what we are witnessing in Afghanistan is terrorism.''<hr></blockquote>

Hope he is prepared if his country is shown to sponsor terrorists. He may have a real reason to fear/hate America then.
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post #2 of 54
They just made our Shit List!
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post #3 of 54
I read about that stuff almost everyday.

<a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/" target="_blank">http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/</a>

Plus we give them $2B a year.
post #4 of 54
Wh y are we supporting a nation hat openly hates us?

Let them make something econoimicalyl imporant and we will buy their things and support them that way. We support the oil countries through our petroluem pucrhases.

Why do we GIVE our tax money away?

I like the attitude once put forth by Nancy Kress in "Beggars in Spain." She said that the ideal society is one in which every single act is a trade, every conversation a switchover of knowledge, every thought is expressed to make the whole world a richer, better place. It sounded like the ideal Capitalism, with everyone working for himself and everyone aware of the world around him. Then again, extreme capitalism is only obtained by secrets kept by companies and options given to managers. The top cats tend to get fat and the bottom rung tends to get stepped on.
post #5 of 54
What can I say? Ignorance is bliss.
Its easy to hate the US, theres many reasons to hate the US, but I fear that this is just ignorance.

Now, on the Terrorism point it is. By the FBI and UN defintions of Terrorism EVERYTHING is terrorism.
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post #6 of 54
[quote]Plus we give them $2B a year. <hr></blockquote>

We give Israel $3B a year and they tried to sink one of our ships (the U.S.S Liberty) and are engaged in what the U.N finds to be an illegal occupation and illegal settlement of expropriated lands. (both are war crimes).
post #7 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
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We give Israel $3B a year and they tried to sink one of our ships (the U.S.S Liberty) and are engaged in what the U.N finds to be an illegal occupation and illegal settlement of expropriated lands. (both are war crimes).</strong><hr></blockquote>

That was 34 years ago. Theses days I could almost careless what the ever so useless UN thinks. "Peace Prize" what a sham. Also consider that Israel is the only democracy in the region and supports the US at every turn.
post #8 of 54
The UK is the USA's bitch and supports them without fail every single time Bush asks, more than Israel does yet we don't get $3b every year.

Neither does the UK illegally occupy another state in direct violation of UN resolutions and carry out illegal assassinations with apparent US approval as the USA's favourite ally likes to do.

The US supports Egypt because it fears that if real democracy were allowed to flourish in that region it would result in more extreme Islamist regimes being elected.
post #9 of 54
I very much doubt that a democratic Egypt would "result in more extreme Islamist regime". History tells us that democracies move away from extremism. Short term I could see how that might happen but long term I'd bet a dollor that Egypt would cool out.

Also I'm not sure that the Israeli occupation is against the UN resolutions. I read that they were crafted to allow Israel to occupy the area for security. I know you've read that a 100 times over but from what I read most news sources get it wrong and don't care to fix the mistake when it's pointed out to them.
post #10 of 54
Can't wait untill the NY Sun gets up and running.

<a href="http://www.smartertimes.com/archive/2000/09/000906.html" target="_blank">http://www.smartertimes.com/archive/2000/09/000906.html</a>
post #11 of 54
The occupation of Palestine is indeed illegal, there are at least two UN resolutions which confirm this. That is why the "settlers" are so-called, they've chosen to settle outside Israel in illegal occupancy of Palestinian territory. Until recently the only suicide bombings were all conducted in settlers' areas, outside Israel in occupied Palestinian territory.
The NY sun is nothing special, just another pro-Israeli vanity publication from Conrad Black with a print run of less than 10,000
post #12 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by roundFood:
<strong>The occupation of Palestine is indeed illegal, there are at least two UN resolutions which confirm this. That is why the "settlers" are so-called, they've chosen to settle outside Israel in illegal occupancy of Palestinian territory. Until recently the only suicide bombings were all conducted in settlers' areas, outside Israel in occupied Palestinian territory.
The NY sun is nothing special, just another pro-Israeli vanity publication from Conrad Black with a print run of less than 10,000</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're saying this is wrong?

<a href="http://www.smartertimes.com/archive/2000/09/000906.html" target="_blank">http://www.smartertimes.com/archive/2000/09/000906.html</a>

Which resolution are you talking about?
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post #14 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by AirSluf:
<strong>Scott,

Only if the democracies are stable. Otherwise they are at the whims of whoever has the most juice at the moment. Coups de Etat or just plain old get fundamentalists elected and change the laws...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which is why I said "long term".
post #15 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong> Also consider that Israel is the only democracy in the region and supports the US at every turn.</strong><hr></blockquote>

As if they have a choice.

Without us, they are unarmed and basically helpless to defend all of "their" lands. That's the only reason they call themselves "friend." I say screw Israel. Aside from giving us inside information on Hamas terrorists and such, they do nothing for us, and nothing to stabilize the region. Quite the opposite. Almost every problem we have over there has as its root cause the government of Israel.

As far as I'm concerned we don't have a single legitimate ally in the whole region.

Saudi Arabia is so politically corrupt it's ridiculous. Their king is basically a filthy rich sleazebag who couldn't care less about the average citizen on his streets. Same with Egypt, Jordan and the others. Their leaders have no real power or influence over the people in the streets. But they have money and weapons and guards and so their regimes stay put....

...these countries don't give a rat's ass about democracy, freedom for citizens or any of the rest. If they could snap their fingers and be rid of us, they would. Luckily by virtue of our military and economic power, they have to deal with us whether they like it or not. But they're not real allies in the sense that England or Germany or Japan is a real ally.
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post #16 of 54
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[quote] By Moogs:
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As if they have a choice.

Without us, they are unarmed and basically helpless to defend all of "their" lands. That's the only reason they call themselves "friend." I say screw Israel. Aside from giving us inside information on Hamas terrorists and such, they do nothing for us, and nothing to stabilize the region. Quite the opposite. Almost every problem we have over there has as its root cause the government of Israel.

As far as I'm concerned we don't have a single legitimate ally in the whole region.

Saudi Arabia is so politically corrupt it's ridiculous. Their king is basically a filthy rich sleazebag who couldn't care less about the average citizen on his streets. Same with Egypt, Jordan and the others. Their leaders have no real power or influence over the people in the streets. But they have money and weapons and guards and so their regimes stay put....

...these countries don't give a rat's ass about democracy, freedom for citizens or any of the rest. If they could snap their fingers and be rid of us, they would. Luckily by virtue of our military and economic power, they have to deal with us whether they like it or not. But they're not real allies in the sense that England or Germany or Japan is a real ally.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Israel is our ally for more than that reason, and we back them for other reasons as well. And we should. You can say it is about guilt, or about other reasons, but they are a true ally. I would have it no other way. Egypt, Syria, and the others can all just evaporate for all I care. They are the worst of friends.

I agree that the Arab nations over there are mostly corrupt. But they would not be as well of if the US did not exist. Most of their income is through Oil sales and well, the US is the largest consumer of Oil in the world. They are not stupid and know this. Their "elected officials" do anyhow.
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post #17 of 54
Just as an aside, the folks that live in Egypt now were not the one that built the pyramids. I know this is off topic somewhat...
post #18 of 54
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[quote]Originally posted by breakskull:
<strong>Just as an aside, the folks that live in Egypt now were not the one that built the pyramids. I know this is off topic somewhat...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Umm, ok. Thanks. Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
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post #19 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by breakskull:
<strong>Just as an aside, the folks that live in Egypt now were not the one that built the pyramids....</strong><hr></blockquote>

wow, just think, if they were the ones who built the pyramids, they would be VERY old right now!
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post #20 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by grand illusion:
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wow, just think, if they were the ones who built the pyramids, they would be VERY old right now! </strong><hr></blockquote>

That would explain why they're so grumpy.
post #21 of 54
&gt;The UK is the USA's bitch and supports them without fail every single time Bush asks, more than Israel does yet we don't get $3b every year.
Neither does the UK illegally occupy another state in direct violation of UN resolutions and carry out illegal assassinations with apparent US approval as the USA's favourite ally likes to do.&lt;

The UK doesn't need any aid, does it? I think 3B is too much and should be reduced, but foreign aid will always exist.

As for Israel occupying territory, it has been trying to give back the territory ever since it seized it in a war started by the Arabs(you conveniently forgot this point as most Europeans do). In fact for the past 8 years they have been basically offering just about all of the land back to the Palestinians in return for the right to live in safe secure borders and in peace with their Arab neighbors.

Speaking of 'illegal' assasinations, aren't we trying to kill Bin Laden? The US and Britain have carried out covert assasinations for decades, The Israelis are just better at it than we are. If Arafat had arrested the masterminds like he said he would they would not have been running around scot free for Israel to have to target them. I say-good for them, kill them if they can.

As for all the anti-Israeli talk here, the United States doesn't abandon its allies at the first sign of trouble, unlike some pussy European countries devoid of any semblance of a spine............................................. .......
post #22 of 54
[quote]As for Israel occupying territory, it has been trying to give back the territory ever since it seized it in a war started by the Arabs(you conveniently forgot this point as most Europeans do). In fact for the past 8 years they have been basically offering just about all of the land back to the Palestinians in return for the right to live in safe secure borders and in peace with their Arab neighbors. <hr></blockquote>

Buahahahhahaha!

That's a good one! If that were true, Yassir Arafat would be dancing in the street.

And FYI - the 1967 war began with an attack by Israel.

[quote]Speaking of 'illegal' assasinations, aren't we trying to kill Bin Laden? The US and Britain have carried out covert assasinations for decades, The Israelis are just better at it than we are. <hr></blockquote>

I guess that makes it right

[quote]As for all the anti-Israeli talk here, the United States doesn't abandon its allies at the first sign of trouble, unlike some pussy European countries devoid of any semblance of a spine............................................. ....... <hr></blockquote>

Israel hasn't done SHITE for the U.S. Through their illegal actions and our support of such actions they get the ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD pissed off at us.
post #23 of 54
[quote] In fact for the past 8 years they have been basically offering just about all of the land back to the Palestinians in return for the right to live in safe secure borders and in peace with their Arab neighbors. <hr></blockquote>
except for increasing buildings on the settlements, and what exactly is just about all their land, why NOT all their land??
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Speaking of 'illegal' assasinations, aren't we trying to kill Bin Laden? The US and Britain have carried out covert assasinations for decades, The Israelis are just better at it than we are. If Arafat had arrested the masterminds like he said he would they would not have been running around scot free for Israel to have to target them. I say-good for them, kill them if they can. <hr></blockquote>
Britain does not carry out hits, that's why if we catch OBL he won't get extradited to the US where he would be tried secretly and executed
[quote] As for all the anti-Israeli talk here, the United States doesn't abandon its allies at the first sign of trouble, unlike some pussy European countries devoid of any semblance of a spine<hr></blockquote>
who are you on about there?
post #24 of 54
why do we give these 'rag heads' money? Can you imagine if we didnt and just basically told the rest of the world to fvck off? Instead of 10-20mortal enemies, we would have hundreds... all even more resentful against us and the so-called "west".

By giving money, investing, we raise their standard of living and therefore make them more 'normal'. If people are well, or at least better, off, they wont be as violent and the world can trade more and be a bit more stable and, hopefully, better off.

Its a small sacrifice for the western nations, the super powers, to give a little to make everyone's life easier. Don't you think? Or do we just all want to be greedy bastards and make sure the rest of the world doesn't get anything while we gloat over how superior we are?

This doesn't mean just GIVE AWAY free money, it should mean structured funding into infrastucture, medicine, schools, etc. When we say we give 3B$ to a country, its not always a simple bank transfer. It means we have given 3B in know how, supplies, etc etc.

Egypt is a strange place. For the most part very nice, but you can feel the supposed superiority complex they have when you are in Cairo and other places. They snub you and always try and rip you off. But thats just a way of life... they do it amongst themselves as well. We buy a twinkie at 1$... they EXPECT to start at 10, and know, perfectly well, that they will get dozn to 1$ by the end. We think its because they want to play sly... its just the way they do business.

If you go further south, they are much kinder. Where there are tourists, you will see they try and get cheeky with you. Otherwise, they are extremly nice people, as are the overwhelming majority of middle-eastern 'rag heads' I have had the pleasure if knowing, especially the Iranians. Too bad they are led by an extremist bunch of religious sh!t heads, because otherwise its an incredible place.

Peace everyone... peace.
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post #25 of 54
Life would be a hell of a lot more peaceful if we just made about 1/3 of the Earth's surface glow in the dark for 100,000 years. I think most people would be happier in the long run. Good riddance to that whole plot of land, Arab, Israeli, Christian, holy, infidel, settled, occupied and whatever else. Then again, it's not the land's fault, just the people's. Yeah, a planet without people would be better off at least. Good riddance to them.
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post #27 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
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Buahahahhahaha!

That's a good one! If that were true, Yassir Arafat would be dancing in the street.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well they did and he's not so what does that tell us?
post #28 of 54
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
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Well they did and he's not so what does that tell us?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He needs to take dancing lessons? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
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He needs to take dancing lessons? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

ROFL LOL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh... this is just classic...
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post #30 of 54
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I don't think this needs a new thread but we have video evidence that bin Laden planned it from his own mouth.

<a href="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20011213/us/afghan_bin_laden_tape_6.html" target="_blank">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20011213/us/afghan_bin_laden_tape_6.html</a>

But that will not be enough to shut the mouths of those who condone terrorism as a legitimate means to an end. I hope they catch him and throw him in the general prison population somewhere. After the inmates have their fun with him they should publicly execute the SOB.
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post #31 of 54
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Here is the Transcript for those who want to read it.

<a href="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011213/us/bin_laden_tape_text_2.html" target="_blank">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011213/us/bin_laden_tape_text_2.html</a>

Bastard!
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post #32 of 54
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Or here as well for the government copy in PDF Format.

<a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/d20011213ubl.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/d20011213ubl.pdf</a>
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post #33 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
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Israel hasn't done SHITE for the U.S. Through their illegal actions and our support of such actions they get the ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD pissed off at us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The entire Muslim world is pissed off at everyone! Bin Laden didn't bomb NY because of Israel he bombed it because Saudi Arabia picked us to fight Iraq instead of him after Iraq attacked Kuwait. He also was pissed off at us being stationed in Saudi Arabia............................................ .....
post #34 of 54
&gt;except for increasing buildings on the settlements, and what exactly is just about all their land, why NOT all their land??&lt;

Get back to me when The United States gives California, Texas, and Florida back to Mexico.

There was a war, Israel was attacked, Israel won. Whats so hard to understand about that?............................................. ..

As for my crack about Europe, I referred to every country except Britain...................................
post #35 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by steve666:
[QB]Get back to me when The United States gives California, Texas, and Florida back to Mexico./QB]<hr></blockquote>

I agree with you, but Mexico never owned Florida. We bought it from Spain.

Incidentally, we did give Britain billions of dollars in foreign aid, during the Marshall Plan, as with most Western and Southern European nations.
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post #36 of 54
[quote] Bin Laden didn't bomb NY because of Israel he bombed it because Saudi Arabia picked us to fight Iraq instead of him after Iraq attacked Kuwait. He also was pissed off at us being stationed in Saudi Arabia............................................ ..... <hr></blockquote>

Bin Laden's motivations are nothing compared with what motivates the masses that form his resiviors of support. In that case, I place the blame on Israel. If they didn't treat the Palestineans like vermin, psychos like Bin Laden wouldn't have so many people to call on for help.

[quote]There was a war, Israel was attacked, Israel won. Whats so hard to understand about that?............................................. ..<hr></blockquote>

Expropriating land by force is a war crime.

And BTW, Israel attacked first in the 1967 war where the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Jersusalem were seized.

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: DoctorGonzo ]</p>
post #37 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
<strong>Bin Laden's motivations are nothing compared with what motivates the masses that form his resiviors of support. In that case, I place the blame on Israel. If they didn't treat the Palestineans like vermin, psychos like Bin Laden wouldn't have so many people to call on for help.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is that how they are treated? Says who? And don't say Arafat.
post #38 of 54
In '67 They attacked because of massive armament build up by several major countries.

Yes they treat the Palistinians like vermin, if you read beyond the American press, but real leadership there could have worked some peacefull solution where they could have gotten some sort of economic support and worked towards betterment for their people along time ago. Arafat is an idiot and they (the people there) have been going to the dogs among them for over 20 years. They need to try other methods. Right now, Israel is completely justified in completely occupying all of pallistine and conducting house to house searches. Getting to that point is the marl of bad leadership.

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post #39 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by pfflam:
<strong>In '67 They attacked because of massive armament build up by several major countries.

Yes they treat the Palistinians like vermin, if you read beyond the American press</strong><hr></blockquote>

The American press is anti-Israeli as is all of the European press.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
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The American press is anti-Israeli as is all of the European press.</strong><hr></blockquote>

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA... what a joke.

US Press is RUN by Jewish people. Want an example of how *&$!@! biased CNN and others are of Israel? Check this out. I am subscribed to CNN Breaking news email alerts. When various Palestinian leaders, etc got ASSASSINATED (or as Israel likes to say 'targeted killings' or whatever it is they like to call it) in these recent months, I never got ONE SINGLE ALERT. When a few weeks ago one of the members of the israeli government got killed (minister of tourism I believe), I got FOUR breaking news emails in 10 minutes. I barely go that many when the frikken WTC was hit!!!!

What? a Palestinian just got massacred in the streets? Who cares. One Israeli dies, bloody hell, we must tell EVERYONE. WTF is that all about? Are they all of a sudden better?

Also, if you want litterature, read Gassan Kanafani. He wrote poems and stories that he witnessed in the fifties and sixties of Israeli soliders and militia going into small towns and simply raping, mutilating, torturing, and murdering entire small towns that were comprised of a few families. Then come and tell me that its the Palestians who are the animals. Its Palestinian land. Israel, and this is also backed by the UN, invaded and is effectively OCCUPYING the territory. Do you get that? Do you understand the fact that all of a sudden your homeland gets OCCUPIED and no one in the world gives a damn? What can you do? You, unfortunately, have to start using terrorism and the such because no one will give a damn otherwise. Its horrible thing to do, but its our damn fault if we are so selfish and only pay attention to others in difficulty once its either to far or too late.

Its a horrible situation from either side, Israeli or Palestinian, but I have to express my OWN opinion, its Israel that is wrong in this whole affair. And the US just keeps plugging them up with all the latest weapons and technology... no wonder Palestians have to resort to terrorism... they don't have Cobra or Apache helicopters, nor tanks or F-16 fighters. They have rocks and machine guns and a few rpgs at most.

Mr Sharon, a pro-war fascist if I ever saw one, wants war and IS THE CAUSE of the breakdown of the balance that was working out for the last few years. He BLATENTLY knew that visiting that Mosque (sorry, forgot the name) last Summer would have infuriated the Palestinian population, and what did he do? Went anyway. The government collapsed a few weeks later and, of surprise, Mr Sharon gets to head the government.

OK... sorry for the rant, but this whole middle-east thing has been driving me nuts for years and while one moment I sympathize for Israel, the next its with the Palestians... and sometimes I just say 'the hell with it all'.
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