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Despite date, Beatles not coming to iTunes Wednesday - report

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While the Sept. 9 date marks major events for both The Beatles and Apple, the timing is just a coincidence and does not foreshadow any announcements set for Wednesday, a new report claims.

Peter Kafka with MediaMemo cited "a source familiar with the band's plans" in a story Tuesday, in which he debunks the ongoing rumors that the world's most famous rock band would see its catalog debut on Apple's iTunes Music Store.

"If you’re trying to convince people to spend $16.99 for a remastered copy of the White Album," Kafka asked, "or as much as $250 to play along with the band’s ghostly avatars, why offer a competing product from Apple at the same time? Nor do I see Steve Jobs expressing much interest in coordinating his marketing announcements with the likes of Viacom."

The entire back catalog of The Beatles is being re-released Wednesday, on compact disc, in a new remastered format. The 9.9.09 date, echoing the song "Revolution 9," also brings the release of the video game, The Beatles: Rock Band.

Sept. 9 is also the date Apple will unveil its new iPod lineup -- a date that is purely a coincidence, if Kafka's sources are correct. Rumors of the band's songs appearing on iTunes have existed for years. Apple and the parent company of The Beatles, Apple Corps, were engaged in a lengthy and bitter trademark dispute for decades, but that issue was resolved in 2007.

Even though those issues were patched up years ago, the legendary band has been reluctant to allow its recordings to be made available in a digital format. Users of The Beatles video game, though, will be able to purchase and download additional songs to play in the game, which only further fueled speculation.

When Apple sent out invitations to its event, they included a reference to a lyric from a different legendary rock band, The Rolling Stones. The invitation read "It's only rock and roll, but we like it," leading some to assume Apple was hinting that the iPod-centric event would focus on music, not Macs or the long-rumored tablet.

If The Beatles' songs do not appear on iTunes Wednesday, it's most likely the Sept. 9 date was chosen because Monday, Sept. 7, was Labor Day, a U.S. holiday. Holding the event on Wednesday, rather than Tuesday (as is often done), allows those attending the San Francisco keynote more time to travel after the holiday.
post #2 of 71
I'm still thinking the Beatles could be announced tomorrow on iTunes.
Based on the CD set being sold, perhaps it could even be one of the first 'Cocktail' collections.
The description of the CD set below includes an interesting reference to 'Quicktime' movies, is this iTunes content?

The Beatles in Stereo (from Amazon):
Including eight years of groundbreaking recordings, the Beatles Stereo Box Set contains the individual albums, as well as a two CD Past Masters collection of non-album tracks. Painstakingly remastered over four years by a team of dedicated studio engineers at the legendary Abbey Road studios, they utilised vintage studio equipment in conjunction with state of the art modern recording technology to bring the catalogue to the highest fidelity it has seen since its original release.
Each of the 13 original albums also include a Quicktime mini-documentary, which feature rare photos and footage, as well as previously unheard conversations from Abbey Road studio sessions, to deliver a further insight into the the Beatles' recording process. All of these documentaries are also featured on a DVD packaged in the box set to provide more versatile viewing. The albums have all been repackaged in limited edition eco-friendly packaging, and contain additional rare photos and illuminating background notes.

This collection also marks the first time the first four Beatles albums have been available in stereo in their entirety on compact disc, making this without doubt the most complete stereo Beatles box set ever made.
post #3 of 71
I wrote up my take on this at Seeking Alpha

Basically I said Apple's event is only on Wednesday instead of today because of Labor Day, like in 2007.

And that Apple has gone to some effort to ween the media and Wall Street off Steve Jobs, they're not going to send him out there for a typical iPod refresh. It'll take more than an iPod with a camera to get Steve on stage.
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post #4 of 71
Beatles? I never understood the fascination with them. They did good for their time, but I'd rather get AC/DC on iTunes.
post #5 of 71
What about the "One After 909"? ; )
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Dismissing the Beatles as so yesterday is kind of short-sighted. Regardless of what you think of them music is an evolution. They took from others and others have taken from them. Dismissing them as irrelevant (as many have lately) is kind of senseless, regardless of personal taste.

You don't like them - fine. But it would be silly to ignore their impact and significance. Should Mozart be ignored, forgotten, and dismissed because he's so 18th century?
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Holding the event on Wednesday, rather than Tuesday (as is often done), allows those attending the San Francisco keynote more time to travel after the holiday.

I doubt this was intentional, but delaying one day also gave an extra cushion to the touch-and-go Bay Bridge closure over the long weekend.
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No Apple TV.
No flash or zoom on mediocre iPod cameras.
iTunes Blu-Ray support yet no Blu- Ray drives.
No Beatles.
No Fab iTab.
Why bother???
post #9 of 71
The 9/9/09 is just a year after the last iPOD update (9/9/08). If nothing else, Apple probably feels that an iPod should run a full year cycle before releasing better products to prevent people from purchasing early.

I don't know if I could justify purchasing a new iPod twice a year, but I know people that have no problem updating their iPod almost every time a new one comes out.

It will be interesting to see how much our iPod touch resembles the iPhone after tomorrow.

I have always had this feeling that iPhone on AT&T is only a starting point. I could see them turning the iPod Touch into a VOIP phone (sort of already did) eliminating the need for all phone companies, but maybe Apple will offer it's own service through MobileMe or something.

Apple has to hate seeing other people make money off of their products.
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Why bother???

You appear to have 'bothered' 4,073 times, according to your latest posting count.

Perhaps Apple should shut down and return all the money to their stockholders. Then Dell's DJ and that twerpy sales dude might stand a chance.
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I think they're waiting for the primary audience for the Beatles catalog to die off. Half of the band is already gone, and the two survivors are pushing 70.
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Originally Posted by walshbj View Post

I wrote up my take on this at Seeking Alpha

Basically I said Apple's event is only on Wednesday instead of today because of Labor Day, like in 2007.

And that Apple has gone to some effort to ween the media and Wall Street off Steve Jobs, they're not going to send him out there for a typical iPod refresh. It'll take more than an iPod with a camera to get Steve on stage.

Thanks for summing up your blog in two sentences, saves from having to click on the link.
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I think they're waiting for the primary audience for the Beatles catalog to die off. Half of the band is already gone, and the two survivors are pushing 70.

More like they are waiting for Yoko to die off....
post #14 of 71
The Beatles have a big promo page for Wednesday on Amazon that contains lots and lots of 30-second clips of Beatles songs.

That does not necessarily mean Amazon will get digital downloads of all of the Beatles content, but the audio clips make me wonder.

I can't see Apple letting Amazon scoop them on an exclusive window like that -- even if it's only a couple of months.
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I could see them turning the iPod Touch into a VOIP phone (sort of already did) eliminating the need for all phone companies, but maybe Apple will offer it's own service through MobileMe or something.

Unfortunately my MobileMe cellular coverage only works in my mind.

It would be a nice fantasy to eliminate all phone companies, but someone has to, you know, install and maintain those pesky towers and switching offices.
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Should Mozart be ignored, forgotten, and dismissed because he's so 18th century?


Depends on what you like. Ask a metalhead about him and they might say yes. Ask Michael Kamen (RIP) and he would have said no.
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Thanks for summing up your blog in two sentences, saves from having to click on the link.

Yeah, well. I would have submitted just the two sentences but people don't read too many two sentence articles.
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post #18 of 71
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Perhaps Apple should shut down and return all the money to their stockholders. Then Dell's DJ and that twerpy sales dude might stand a chance.

NO- just simply release the new modelswithout all this unneccesary hoopla. Do you think Sony has to have an event when a new model of Blu-ray machine, HDTV, or PS3 comes out?
There simply is no need for an event if all you're doing is sticking a camera in the Touch which iPhones already have.
post #19 of 71
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Originally Posted by Peter Kafka


"If youre trying to convince people to spend $16.99 for a remastered copy of the White Album," Kafka asked, "or as much as $250 to play along with the bands ghostly avatars, why offer a competing product from Apple at the same time?"

I don't know Kafka head... maybe to make more money?
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Depends on what you like. Ask a metalhead about him and they might say yes. Ask Michael Kamen (RIP) and he would have said no.

That's fine. As someone who enjoys metal and classical it's hard to understand, but to each their own. I'm not trying to convince anyone to like Mozart, the Beatles, or anyone. I do think variety makes life a lot more interesting. And movies would be kind of weird if they all had metal soundtracks...
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Beatles? I never understood the fascination with them. They did good for their time, but I'd rather get AC/DC on iTunes.

OMG, you're actually comparing that stuff that AC/DC does to the Beatles?

They will still be playing Beatles music when no one even remembers what AC/DC even was.

Just sayin
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NO- just simply release the new modelswithout all this unneccesary hoopla. Do you think Sony has to have an event when a new model of Blu-ray machine, HDTV, or PS3 comes out?
There simply is no need for an event if all you're doing is sticking a camera in the Touch which iPhones already have.

I seem to recall a recent event announcing the release of a new PS3...

Apple doesn't have an event for every new model they release, but I would agree that they have a lot of events. What degree of change is needed to make an event "worthwhile" is of course completely subjective. I personally consider the yearly iPod event to be worthwhile and this event will have more than just iPods with cameras. We will probably see a 64 bit iTunes 9, the new cocktail thing (I have no idea what that will be like, so I don't know if it will be significant), and maybe a new AppleTV. Of course if the rumored tablet was announced, the event would definitely be worthwhile.

Edit: Also the processor in the touch will likely be upgraded to match the iPhone, and an OLED screen isn't really out of the question either. Last year the iPod Touch jumped ahead of the iPhone in processing power, perhaps this year the touch will jump ahead in screen technology? Furthermore, we've heard that the iPhone is somewhat capable of 1080p video. Maybe once the iPod touch processor is up to par with the iPhones they will allow 720p video out (with a new dock of course)? That would deal a serious blow to the ZuneHD even before it is released. You are simply assuming nothing will happen and it is therefore not worthwhile. While I don't think anything major will be announced, I think there will be more than enough to make an event out of it.
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post #23 of 71
Steve Jobs stole Apple's name, then years later settled, but now just can't seem to get The Beatles music.
Hmmmm- makes you wonder?
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More like they are waiting for Yoko to die off....

From what I've read about this previously, it seemed the main holdout was McCartney. The last round of speculation was set off when the catalog was valued as a part of his divorce settlement. Anyway, without arguing the relevance of the Beatles (which I think is as pointless as it is ridiculous), it's still apparent that the audience for their material is aging, and isn't going to be growing. If they want to maximize the value of the catalog as digital downloads, then the time is never going to be better than now. Or maybe Paul is planning on taking it with him.
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post #25 of 71
Number 9, Number 9, Number 9....

Ten years ago, we had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash.  Today we have no Jobs, no Hope and no Cash.

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NO- just simply release the new modelswithout all this unneccesary hoopla. Do you think Sony has to have an event when a new model of Blu-ray machine, HDTV, or PS3 comes out?
There simply is no need for an event if all you're doing is sticking a camera in the Touch which iPhones already have.

It's not that Sony wouldn't, it's that Sony couldn't.

And of course, your entire argument is based on the presumption that iPods with cameras (which haven't been confirmed) will be the only thing announced. If the announcements coming tomorrow were that minor, I don't think Apple would bother calling in the press either.
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post #27 of 71
Having been a kid at the time the Beatles arrived in the US, and later taking a deep interest in history and world affairs, I can honestly say that I know of no event in any time in history that created such an instant, immediate, wide-spread, global impact. Those of us who weren't around at the time simply cannot conceive of the profundity of the Beatles effect. Seeing a video of the crowd reaction of the Ed Sullivan show appearances doesn't begin to show what it was like. We are talking about literally millions of people of both genders just going nuts. Girls would get quite literally hysterical just watching them on TV.

It was analagous to a world where there was absolutely nothing but sleepy string quartets and suddenly Joe Satriani appears out of nowhere with "Surfing With the Alien". Ka-POW!

Their stunning arrival, their look, their industry-changing sound and their vocals were just square one. The music that followed hit top marks in a wide variety of songs and musical experimentation. Although they had a number of clunkers, the vast proportion of the song writing was truly brilliant and often so touching as to bring tears to your eyes (such as "Yesterday"). On the other hand, some of their music was so aggressive that it would please any metal head ("Helter Skelter").

Suggested listening: Help, A Hard Day's Night, Can't Buy Me Love, You've Got To Hide Your Love Away, Day Tripper, I Am The Walrus, Across the Universe, Glass Onion, Come Together, and side two of Abbey Road (a 20 minute masterpiece comprised of a number of interlinked songs).

By my teen years my tastes turned to hard rock but it absolutely impossible to overstate the impact of the Beatles on the nature of popular music, and who knows how many musicians lost their careers as a result of this music revolution.

Even people who hated the music could not deny that there has never been a mucisian/group that such an immediate impact on popular culture. Just the opening chord to A Hard Day's night was enough to electrify the listener.
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Beatles? I never understood the fascination with them. They did good for their time, but I'd rather get AC/DC on iTunes.

Objective Vs subjective.
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post #29 of 71
Long after all those musicians have faded from collective memory, Sam Sachs will stand out as the ONE TRUE MASTER of aural entertainment:

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/1...imitable-.html

The only reason Apple hasn't offered a limited-edition Sam Sacks iPod is they haven't been able to develop audio circuitry worthy of his vocal masterpieces. I doubt it could happen in any of our lifetimes.
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Unfortunately my MobileMe cellular coverage only works in my mind.

It would be a nice fantasy to eliminate all phone companies, but someone has to, you know, install and maintain those pesky towers and switching offices.

At some point in the future (I give it five years at most), cellular service providers like AT&T will become wireless ISPs (WISPs, lol), it's simply a matter of when.

When it does happen, we'll no longer be charged at all for electronic voice communication (let alone text or video messages). Imagine that for a second. It's easy, just imagine using your Mac as you do now, except you won't be tethered to a Wi-Fi network (hah, 'tethered to Wi-Fi'; sounds like an oxymoron).

All Apple will have to do at that point is port iChat to the iPhone and presto, no more paying for minutes, SMS, or MMS, just a flat monthly wireless internet charge. iPhones will probably have user-facing cameras by then too, so we'll be able to have video chat with family or friends, sans computer.
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Steve Jobs stole Apple's name

Doubtful.
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No Apple TV.
No flash or zoom on mediocre iPod cameras.
iTunes Blu-Ray support yet no Blu- Ray drives.
No Beatles.
No Fab iTab.
Why bother???

He has a point.
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post #33 of 71
From MacObserver:
Former Beatles member Paul McCartney would like to see the band's music show up at places like Apple's iTunes Store, but he says that EMI is holding up the process. The Beatles music library has been seen by many as a glaring omission in the legit music download market.

"We were having problems with iTunes -- well not iTunes, EMI was the problem -- with downloading, which we'd like to do because that's how a lot of people get their music," Mr. McCartney told NME.

The Fab Four's digitally remastered library will be released on Wednesday, the same day that Apple is hosting its own special media event. There has been speculation that along with new iPods, Apple would announce that the Beatles' library would finally be available at the iTunes Store. Based on Mr. McCartney's comments, however, that's seeming less likely.
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I haven't tried recently but does the iTunes Genius even recognize The Beatles? I know it didn't for a long time after it was introduced though it would recognize all sorts of obscure bands. I never did hear a good reason why Apple chose to make it so iTunes didn't recognize them.

Even though I like The Beatles I wouldn't buy anything of theirs through iTunes for two reasons. First, I have everything I want already and second what I have is ripped in lossless format so it would crazy to buy even "remastered" songs though iTunes if I can only get them at 256 max, a third or less of the lossless rate. I don't care to hear some coughing in the background or 3% better pickup of the sitar strumming. There will be a big bump in sales for a week while all the diehard collector types buy any new Beatles releases and then sales will fall back to earth.
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seems like they are

http://tinyurl.com/n4cae8

although sky have pulled the story....

curious...embargo?
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Doubtful.

Yet highly likely.
SJ (self proclaimed devoted fan) certainly knew at the time ,1976, that the name Apple was already own by The Beatles. Hence the future payments over the years to Apple Corps.
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Doubtful.

Actually, this has been documented. "[Steve Jobs] is said to have chosen the name in part as a tribute to The Beatles"

see
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in573913.shtml

or

http://db.tidbits.com/article/8471?print_version=1
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I was just typing to say that your link didn't link to anything... and then you updated your post.

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seems like they are

http://tinyurl.com/n4cae8

although sky have pulled the story....

curious...embargo?
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Yet highly likely.
SJ (self proclaimed devoted fan) certainly knew at the time ,1976, that the name Apple was already own by The Beatles.

And?
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Hence the future payments over the years to Apple Corps.

Incorrect.
The "future payments over the years to Apple Corps" were because of the lawsuits won by Apple Corp against, Apple Computer, Inc., not because Apple were a bunch of nice guys.
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Pardon me for not spending more time tracking down direct quotes amongst the tens of thousands of articles on the topic. Regardless, it is far from "doubtful."

Search all you want. Anything that says it is fact, is not, since even Jobs and Woz have not even said specifically/cannot agree/ are ambicuous to the specifics of why they chose the name.
post #40 of 71
Beatles I like them, but not half as much as

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZkaj37kA0

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