Originally Posted by jlandd
Unfortunately for Apple fans who work in sales, not only are Mac margins lower but there's practically no opportunity for upsells, while the PC world lives on them.
actually research has shown that there are major markups on Macs. that laptop that costs you $1699 plus tax cost them like $400 to build.
also on upsells. you are wrong. there are 3 biggies that are pushed with every sale (as I noticed going shopping myself and then with 6 friends over the summer)
what is interesting about the training stuff is the 'services' and costs that Best Buy is pushing. if I just went for the first and 3 I walk out with 3 years from date of purchase tech support and repairs on any defects (if I drop it, spill something on it or lose it, i'm hosed) and a years training on all the Apple software. Including setting up my email etc. plus they will do a data transfer from my old PC or Mac to my new one, give me my first class at time of pickup (the next evening) and install any software I bought with the machine, install any ram etc.
so the question becomes is all that piece meal stuff more or less expensive than the up to $449 I just dished out
Originally Posted by Chris_CA
Why point out anything about Macs (remember the miniscule market percentage?) unless the customer brings it up?
indeed. as I noted above I've been a part of 7 Mac buys over the summer and not once did I hear an Apple sales person bring up anything about Windows without a direct question from the buyer (including overhearing folks around us)
Originally Posted by Chug
You mean like what Apple does?
True that Apple does take pot shots at Windows, but at least they choice the shots based on actual complaints about Windows that are all over the blogosphere. so they aren't totally baseless shots.
some of the laptop ads are just bad because anyone that did any research would know that Apple beats whatever the person got. better resolution, better battery etc than the chosen machine. The one that really makes me laugh was the so called filmmaker. anyone with the balls to use that term with a straight face is going to be using something hella better than Windows Movie Maker (very likely Final Cut or Media Composer) and would need either a Mac or a way better PC than what was picked.
Originally Posted by BeyondYourFrontDoor
Windows Live doesn't offer email? (Hotmail) Doesn't host photos? (Live Photos - 25GB free storage) What else doesn't it do?
I think the more valuable point is that although you can find free or very cheap alternatives to 90% of the MobileMe talking points, they aren't in one place like you get with MobileMe. And they aren't always as easy to configure or work with compared to the integration of MobileMe to the various Mac softwares.
And, it's tough to call iLife 'free'. If it is free, then what are we paying for when we buy a Mac?
point on that. you really do have to take into account that you are paying for the OS and iLife with your computer. they are not actually 'free'
Lastly, selling a Mac as a 'multi version of windows' machine is completely counter-intuitive to your whole argument.
I could be wrong but I believe the argument was more that when you buy a Mac, thanks to Boot Camp, you are buying a machine that can run MacOS, Windows or Linux. So if you needed all 3 you don't have to actually buy 3 machines. And you don't have to HackenLinux/HackenWindows the machine to make it work.
I love Mac, and would never go back.
Agreed. I would never get a PC again. But like you I do a lot of creative work, which is where Mac's strength lies, particularly in software.
Originally Posted by Logisticaldron
Dont forget the zero-config Back To My Mac
since we are talking about selective truths in advertising, lets be fair, it's not 'zero-config'. there are 2-3 prefs panels to play on. across two machines.