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post #1 of 33
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im gonna be sick...
i cant believe this bullshit
the good ol boys now have the highest salary at about 150 million a year?!??!!
freakin insane...

what the yanks want, the yanks buy...

if only other teams had that much room for error to work w/...
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post #2 of 33
I hope they lose again...Damn Yanks!
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post #3 of 33
so I guess you just added last years total salaray and giambi's salary and came up with that huh.

only problem si you didn't take off knoblauch, ONeil, Brosius, Wholers, T. Martinez, difference between Ventura andJustice, etc.

and I'm tired of you dumb banter about the payroll anyway.

I'd be interested in what you have to say about this:

from Sunday's NY Daily News:
[quote]
I confess I have to laugh at the notion of Steinbrenner getting ripped for spending too much money on improving his ballclub. Not only that, he's getting ripped for simply having too much money. Just what is it Steinbrenner's detractors want him to do? Turn the Yankees into a pinchpenny small market operation like David Glass in Kansas City and Carl Pohlad in Minnesota?

In that regard, there are some very telling figures in the comprehensive industry financial statement released by Commissioner Bud Selig to Congress last week. According to the report, the Yankees, thanks in no small part to their $56.7 million local TV and radio packages, had total operating revenues of $242 million. Out of that, they had a (40-man roster plus benefits) payroll of $117 million and paid out $26.5 million in revenue sharing.

By contrast, the Twins, who are owned by the billionaire Pohlad and are being targeted as one of the two teams to be bought out by MLB in contraction, received $19 million in revenue sharing but still had a major league-low team payroll of $30.4 million. The Royals got $16 million in revenue sharing and had a payroll of $42.7 million and were actually one of the five teams reported to have made a profit.

The point is, yes, the Yankees make more money than any other team in baseball, but Steinbrenner also puts it back into his ballclub. This is one of the primary flaws of Selig's Blue Ribbon Panel report in that, for all the increased revenue sharing it calls for, it still allows for owners like Glass and Pohlad to continue to pocket it for themselves. The report "encourages" minimum payrolls of $40 million but that includes benefits. So what you're really talking about is a $32 million payroll, or slightly more than Steinbrenner himself is required to pay in revenue sharing alone. A joke.
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post #4 of 33
I hope the Yanks lose again too. And my Mets will be the team that'll beat them. Piazza, Alomar, Alfonzo, Cedeño, if Zeile is healthy then Zeile, Shinjo, and if Justice is around then Justice. The pitching could be better but we'll see how things go and maybe we'll get another pitcher. It's time for the Mets to be NY's team.

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post #5 of 33
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>so I guess you just added last years total salaray and giambi's salary and came up with that huh.

only problem si you didn't take off knoblauch, ONeil, Brosius, Wholers, T. Martinez, difference between Ventura andJustice, etc.

and I'm tired of you dumb banter about the payroll anyway.

I'd be interested in what you have to say about this:

from Sunday's NY Daily News:
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hey smartguy, i didnt come up w/ that number...
go to espn.com and see for yerself...
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post #6 of 33
it's nice to see they don't back that number up at all.

and its interesting how you had no comment on the article I quoted.
post #7 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>I hope the Yanks lose again too. And my Mets will be the team that'll beat them. Piazza, Alomar, Alfonzo, Cedeño, if Zeile is healthy then Zeile, Shinjo, and if Justice is around then Justice. The pitching could be better but we'll see how things go and maybe we'll get another pitcher. It's time for the Mets to be NY's team.

[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

lol. On Steve Philips would make a trade for a DH in the national league

post #8 of 33
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hey dumass, since u obviously think u know so much, take a look at this, courtesy of espn.com:

"Salary glut
Listed below are the average annual value of contracts for each player or estimated salary for the 2002 season. Note that actual salaries for some players may be less (or more) than listed. For instance, Derek Jeter will make $17 million in 2002 ($15 million, $2 million bonus).

Derek Jeter, $18.9 million
Jason Giambi, $17.0 mil.
Roger Clemens, $15.4 mil.#
Mike Mussina, $14.8 mil.
Bernie Williams, $12.5 mil.
Mariano Rivera, $9.9 mil.
Andy Pettitte, $8.5 mil.
Robin Ventura, $8 mil.
Jorge Posada, $8 mil.*
Sterling Hitchcock, $6 mil.
Steve Karsay, $5.75 mil.
Rondell White, $5 mil.
Orlando Hernandez, $4 mil.*
Drew Henson, $2.83 mil.
Mike Stanton, $2.58 mil.
Ramiro Mendoza, $2.5 mil.*
John Vander Wal, $1.92 mil.
Alfonso Soriano,\t$1 mil.*
Shane Spencer, $1 mil.*
Adrian Hernandez, $1 mil.
Nick Johnson, $500,000*

Total: $147.08 million
*projected salaries
# The Yankees value Clemens' contract at $10.3 million per year; the MLBPA considers the average value $15.45M due to a buyout/option year clause.
--Darren Rovell


It may seem like the same old story for those that compete against the Yankees. For yet another season, Yankees boss George Steinbrenner is busy writing more checks to pay off the best talent available. After all, Steinbrenner will spend more for the 2002 season on the four free agents he signed within the past week -- Jason Giambi, Steve Karsay, Rondell White and Sterling Hitchcock -- than Twins owner Carl Pohlad committed for his entire 2001 team.

But it's not the same old story. The Yankees' domination of the payroll charts and free agent markets will not only likely continue, but could grow even more pronounced in upcoming years if baseball doesn't change its revenue-sharing plans.

While the Yankees opened the 2001 season with a payroll of $109.8 million, just a notch above Boston's $109.6 million and Los Angeles' 109 million, as they soar past $130 million in 2002 it's unlikely the Red Sox or Dodgers -- or any other team -- will come close to that total this year.

"The Yankees are playing in a different league," said John Hart, general manager of the Texas Rangers. "I'm not trying to be critical of the decisions they make, but the fact is that they have larger revenues than every other team and that will continue to be the case."

Those revenues should grow substantially over the next couple of years. The Yankees earned more than double ($98 million) the major-league average in gate revenue last season, but it's a new television deal that has the capacity to grow the Yankees' revenues quicker than raising ticket prices can.

For the 2001 season, the Yankees made $56.75 million in local broadcasting revenue, according to the numbers released by Major League Baseball last Thursday for its hearings in front of the House Judiciary Committee. That's 2.5 times more than the major-league average for local broadcasting revenues.

Over the last 13 years with the Madison Square Garden Network, the Yankees averaged $41.7 million in local broadcasting rights fees. But with YankeeNets, the conglomerate that manages the Yankees, New Jersey Nets and New Jersey Devils, starting up its own cable channel next season, Yankees Entertainment and Sports (YES, a joint venture between YankeeNets and the investment bank Goldman Sachs), the team figures to earn at least $52 million in 2002. More importantly, that figure should be much higher in future years."

if u want to read the rest, go to <a href="http://www.espn.com" target="_blank">www.espn.com</a> and read for yerself and stop acting like none of this is happening...
open yer eyes and wake up
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post #9 of 33
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>it's nice to see they don't back that number up at all.
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hey sherlock, did u even go there and read it?? i didnt even see those other players u were referring to on that list...which means theyve already been cut out...so yet again, u have no argument...
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post #10 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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lol. On Steve Philips would make a trade for a DH in the national league

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The only reason why Phillips made that trade for Justice is so that he had flexability. If it wasn't for that trade the Mets would never have gotten Alomar because there wouldn't have been any place for Alfonzo. Phillips has to keep trying to get rid of Justice. I have no doubt that his hitting skills will be back but he can't play the outfield for his life.
post #11 of 33
I just realized something. This looks like another baseball thread in which the two of you are gunna argue throughout the whole thing. What a surprise
post #12 of 33
[quote]hey dumass, since u obviously think u know so much, take a look at this, courtesy of espn.com:<hr></blockquote>

thank you. must have missed that link. didn't see it.

seems like a lot of the players have increased salaries over last year if those numbers are true.

[quote]It may seem like the same old story for those that compete against the Yankees. For yet another season, Yankees boss George Steinbrenner is busy writing more checks to pay off the best talent available. After all, Steinbrenner will spend more for the 2002 season on the four free agents he signed within the past week -- Jason Giambi, Steve Karsay, Rondell White and Sterling Hitchcock -- than Twins owner Carl Pohlad committed for his entire 2001 team.<hr></blockquote>

ad who's fault is this? Steinbrenner's? give me a break. Pohland is a cheap piece of shit who could care less about the twins and just pockets all the revenue sharing he gets.


[quote]
But it's not the same old story. The Yankees' domination of the payroll charts and free agent markets will not only likely continue, but could grow even more pronounced in upcoming years if baseball doesn't change its revenue-sharing plans.<hr></blockquote>

change em?! they are already paying out 27 million a year in revenue sharing.

[quote]
"The Yankees are playing in a different league," said John Hart, general manager of the Texas Rangers. "I'm not trying to be critical of the decisions they make, but the fact is that they have larger revenues than every other team and that will continue to be the case."<hr></blockquote>
that ass should talk. he's one of the reason's for the skyhigh payrolls. 254 million for Arod. He should not talk.

[quote]Those revenues should grow substantially over the next couple of years. The Yankees earned more than double ($98 million) the major-league average in gate revenue last season, but it's a new television deal that has the capacity to grow the Yankees' revenues quicker than raising ticket prices can.

For the 2001 season, the Yankees made $56.75 million in local broadcasting revenue, according to the numbers released by Major League Baseball last Thursday for its hearings in front of the House Judiciary Committee. That's 2.5 times more than the major-league average for local broadcasting revenues.

Over the last 13 years with the Madison Square Garden Network, the Yankees averaged $41.7 million in local broadcasting rights fees. But with YankeeNets, the conglomerate that manages the Yankees, New Jersey Nets and New Jersey Devils, starting up its own cable channel next season, Yankees Entertainment and Sports (YES, a joint venture between YankeeNets and the investment bank Goldman Sachs), the team figures to earn at least $52 million in 2002. More importantly, that figure should be much higher in future years."<hr></blockquote>

so in otherwords Steinbrenner is running an extremely successful business in which he puts the profits back into the business and he gets criticized for that like there is something wrong with it.
post #13 of 33
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[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>I just realized something. This looks like another baseball thread in which the two of you are gunna argue throughout the whole thing. What a surprise </strong><hr></blockquote>

damn straight!
i just love being right...

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post #14 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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The only reason why Phillips made that trade for Justice is so that he had flexability. If it wasn't for that trade the Mets would never have gotten Alomar because there wouldn't have been any place for Alfonzo. Phillips has to keep trying to get rid of Justice. I have no doubt that his hitting skills will be back but he can't play the outfield for his life.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yea, that's great but maybe he should have made sure he could get rid of him first.

and I think fielding ability is the least of your worries based on his amazing K stream of this past post season
post #15 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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damn straight!
i just love being right...

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not really, you just love saying that the Yankees have the highest payroll in the majors and not considering anything else. If that in your book means being right all the time congratulations, you have low standards
post #16 of 33
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no, the reason the yankees are criticized is because money doesnt mean anything to them. they throw it around as if its nothing. other teams, though, have to actually think before throwing it around at anyone they want. if they yankees want 2 players, they get both of them. for any other team, they have to choose one or the other, cause they usually cant afford to get both of them. as long as the yankees keep this up, the low market teams cant compete, and baseball will be hurt as a result...
the reason the yankees have so much money to work w/ depends only on the location--there is just so much money in NY...thats as simple as it gets. other teams really cant change that, so dont say that other teams cant control how much money they have to work w/...thats just stupid.

i think baseball really needs a salary cap--it works in the NFL and NBA. until that happens, the salarys will keep rising and rising until only 2 or 3 teams will be able to keep pace enough to compete. the rest will fade away, and the game will turn into even more of a joke.

i love baseball, and just wish that players would play for the game instead of purely for the money...
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post #17 of 33
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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not really, you just love saying that the Yankees have the highest payroll in the majors and not considering anything else. If that in your book means being right all the time congratulations, you have low standards</strong><hr></blockquote>

i wish u would open yer eyes and actually realize that the rest of the league doesnt have as much to work w/ as the yankees...

oh btw, good insult...it almost made sense and actually worked in the context of the conversation...
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post #18 of 33
[quote]no, the reason the yankees are criticized is because money doesnt mean anything to them. they throw it around as if its nothing. other teams, though, have to actually think before throwing it around at anyone they want.<hr></blockquote>

the Yankees don't think? they don't give players more than what their "worth". look at Nelson. Rivera several years ago. Williams several years ago. they don't waste money and "throw it around". they spend it wisely. they just spend a lot of it

[quote]for any other team, they have to choose one or the other, cause they usually cant afford to get both of them. <hr></blockquote>

no, the owner doesn't want to spend the cash. don't tell me the A's could not have gone for Giambi. You know damn well they could have.

[quote]as long as the yankees keep this up, the low market teams cant compete, and baseball will be hurt as a result...<hr></blockquote>

it's been the same for 40 years. it's gonna chnage and ruin baseball now?

[quote]the reason the yankees have so much money to work w/ depends only on the location--there is just so much money in NY...thats as simple as it gets. other teams really cant change that, so dont say that other teams cant control how much money they have to work w/...thats just stupid. <hr></blockquote>

other teams can spend more than they do. You always use the Twins for an example. They are the cheapest team in the league. it's not that they don't have the money, the guys a billionaire. they don't spend it. they get a ton from revenue sharing. they keep it and don't spend it.

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i think baseball really needs a salary cap--it works in the NFL and NBA. until that happens, the salarys will keep rising and rising until only 2 or 3 teams will be able to keep pace enough to compete. the rest will fade away, and the game will turn into even more of a joke. <hr></blockquote>

unfortunately the players union would never agree to a salary cap.

[quote[i love baseball, and just wish that players would play for the game instead of purely for the money...

I guess its easier for you to say than the players.

[quote]i wish u would open yer eyes and actually realize that the rest of the league doesnt have as much to work w/ as the yankees...

oh btw, good insult...it almost made sense and actually worked in the context of the conversation...
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this coming from the guy who resorted to name calling to try and prove his weak point.

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post #19 of 33
I just think it's funny they couldn't buy the world series again.

Of course Steinbrenner should spend on his team, I don't really see how it makes it wrong to make fun of him for it.
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post #20 of 33
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yes, the As could have and did try for Giambi, but they were outbid by the yanks...seems easy enuff, eh? they just dont have as much to work w/...cause THEY ARE A LOW MARKET TEAM. get it???

yes, the money thing has been around for awhile...
however, the insane prices of players and exponential increase in salarys is a more recent development. seems that each year, the big free agents get a bigger and more insane contract from the yanks, dogs, ranger, or orioles (yes, the yanks are the only of this group thats successful...good for them)

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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this coming from the guy who resorted to name calling to try and prove his weak point.

[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: applenut ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

right...so u admit that uv used namecalling whenever uv lost yer point?? cause i remember u calling me stupid or dumb on numerous occasions as a result of u lacking an argument...

and btw, yes i can say that i love the game, cause ive been around the game all my life. whats yer point?? ive met many players, and every now and then i find some that love the game as much as i do--enuff to play for less because of loyalty. but many players follow the money, regardless of who they play for. and the highest bidder always seems to be the yankees these days...
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post #21 of 33
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I just think it's funny they couldn't buy the world series again.

Of course Steinbrenner should spend on his team, I don't really see how it makes it wrong to make fun of him for it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

whos making fun of him?? yes, hes a great businessman. thats not my point. my point is that w/ all the money hes spending, he takes away competition from just about every other team out there. ill always root for the underdog, cause theyve got less to work w/ and for them to win, it shows true desire and strength of a good organization.
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post #22 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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not really, you just love saying that the Yankees have the highest payroll in the majors and not considering anything else. If that in your book means being right all the time congratulations, you have low standards</strong><hr></blockquote>

Many more teams would take Justice rather than take Ventura. Phillips knew that and that's why it was a good deal.
post #23 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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Many more teams would take Justice rather than take Ventura. Phillips knew that and that's why it was a good deal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

sure about that? I don't know. Either way they had to get rid of Ventura so I guess it'll workout somehow.

[quote]whos making fun of him?? yes, hes a great businessman. thats not my point. my point is that w/ all the money hes spending, he takes away competition from just about every other team out there. ill always root for the underdog, cause theyve got less to work w/ and for them to win, it shows true desire and strength of a good organization. <hr></blockquote>

it's called a business.

[quote]yes, the As could have and did try for Giambi, but they were outbid by the yanks...seems easy enuff, eh? they just dont have as much to work w/...cause THEY ARE A LOW MARKET TEAM. get it???<hr></blockquote>

forgive me. I did not now the city of Oakland was now classified as low market.

outbid. they don't shell out money for ANYONE. you think they would have made an exception. if they weren't so damn naive last year he would have been an A.

[quote]right...so u admit that uv used namecalling whenever uv lost yer point?? cause i remember u calling me stupid or dumb on numerous occasions as a result of u lacking an argument...<hr></blockquote>

no, anytime I called you dumb or stupid was because you were either dumb or stupid.

[quote]
and btw, yes i can say that i love the game, cause ive been around the game all my life. whats yer point?? ive met many players, and every now and then i find some that love the game as much as i do--enuff to play for less because of loyalty. but many players follow the money, regardless of who they play for. and the highest bidder always seems to be the yankees these days... <hr></blockquote>

yea alright. the Yankees were the highest bidders for Arod, Ramirez, Gonzolaz, Brown, and those relievers the Phillies got (can't remember who). You blame the Yankees yet they are paying market prices for these guys. it's others who drive the price up.
post #24 of 33
[quote]it's others who drive the price up.<hr></blockquote>



hahahahahaha

Oh man that's rich.
The team with the highest salary in baseball is the real victim, eh?



They make big money because they are New York's team. They spend big money on big players. I don't consider that a real baseball team. **** business.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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hahahahahaha

Oh man that's rich.
The team with the highest salary in baseball is the real victim, eh?



They make big money because they are New York's team. They spend big money on big players. I don't consider that a real baseball team. **** business.</strong><hr></blockquote>

for once i agree w/ ol grover.
ty grover, well said m8

and applenut, yer the naive one here, but im in too good of a mood to argue w/ u tonight. maybe tomorrow...
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post #26 of 33
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oh btw, but this was just bugging me too much, so i had to throw it in.

how the f**k is Oakland NOT a small market??????
its is one of the lowest budget teams there is. maybe if u ever realized that not every team gets sold out games ud understand that not every team has the money to spend.
first of all, oakland is not exactly a rich area, so they dont have alot of big spenders in terms of fans to support them. second, the stadium is a piece of crap, so noone likes going there. third, ticket prices there are dirt cheap, so not much money to be made off there. fourth, noone goes to games. the stadium rarely fills past half-full. i used to live in the bay area. did u?????? so dont tell me how things are outside of NY, cause frankly u dont know sh*t.

oh, i fergot that the As DONT have the $55 million tv contract that the yanks have to work w/, among other media relating revenue inducers.

so please spare me yer lil spewing of how the playing fields are even for all teams, cause frankly thats bullsh*t. understand this: not all teams can afford to keep players like giambi--but the yanks dont fit in that category. i have alot of respect for the As, as they have survived and thrived despite having limited resources. they dont have the money to buy free agents, and cant afford to keep their own players (big mac, giambi, etc). so yes, they are a low market team. if u ever say otherwise again, i will know that u are as ignorant as u sound and i will refuse to respond on the grounds that there is no point arguing...u are beyond rejoining the real world...

g'day sir

ill be w/ the real world, where world series' arent served on a silver platter every year.
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post #27 of 33
The Yankees and Bud Selig are ruining baseball. PERIOD.

There are 200+ million non-New Yorkers in this country who are fed-up with teams like the Yankees that very nearly 4-peat the World Series. The only reason why I haven't given up on baseball altogether is the fact that the Diamondbacks pulled a miracle win in the 9th of game 7. Bless them, every single one of them.

It is not fair to teams like the As, Giants, Diamondbacks, etc. if they want to build World Series caliber teams, they have to build one-off teams. You don't hear from these teams again for years. The Yankees always come back, and the fans, I guarantee you, will not.

People hated the 49er dynasty in the NFL...even though it was much less apparent than the Yankee dynasty. The Niners bit the bullet eventually and suffered some serious salary cap setbacks. They're back after a 2 year drought with great player trades and draft choices...and also a great helping of luck. It's elbow grease like this that makes me a fan.

Much like CART and Roger Penske...Penske's racing teams is a top dollar outfit, but he helped ruin the sport by treating it like business rather than using finesse. I have greater respect for teams like PacWest and Rahal/Letterman...they finesse more than brute force with cash.

Pro sports do require a heavy budget, but they also need meanigful salary caps.
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post #28 of 33
You guys are crazy. It's the Red Sox that will win next year.

Pedro and Nomar own you.
post #29 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>that ass should talk. he's one of the reason's for the skyhigh payrolls. 254 million for Arod. He should not talk.</strong><hr></blockquote>

John Hart was GM of the Indians when the Rangers signed Alex Rodriguez.
post #30 of 33
I don;t know what is worse:
250 mil for gay rod
or
10 mil for derek bell?
post #31 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by Horned_Frog:
<strong>I don;t know what is worse:
250 mil for gay rod
or
10 mil for derek bell?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't know Derek Bell got 10 mil. There's n way in heel he deserves anywhere near half of that.
post #32 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>

I didn't know Derek Bell got 10 mil. There's n way in heel he deserves anywhere near half of that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yup...the geniuses that are the Pittsburgh Pirates. (my favorite team )

Just look at the top 6 salaries for their players at the statt of 2001:
Brian Giles\t$7,333,333
Kevin Young\t$6,125,000
Derek Bell\t$5,000,000
Omar Olivares\t$4,000,000
Francisco Cordova\t$3,850,000
Pat Meares\t$3,790,000


Giles is BY FAR the only one to earn his money:
Giles .309, 37 HRs, 95 RBI
Young .232 16 HRs 65 RBI
Bell .173 5 HRs 13 RBI :eek:
Olivares 6.55 ERA 6W 9L
Cordova DNP
Meares .211, 4HRS, 25 RBI

And people wonder why the Pirates are the WORST organization in baseball... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
post #33 of 33
A-Rod is the best player in baseball. Worth $25mil? Probably not.

But let's not start comparing him to Derek Bell.

Mmkay? Thanks.
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