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Apple this week supplied supplied developers with the latest build of the first upgrade to Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6.1, which includes fixes for the new Cocoa Finder.

Build 10B504 was seeded to the Apple Developer Connection community on Tuesday in the form of a 71.4MB delta update. One of two areas of change new to the seed, according to people familiar with the software, resolves crashes with Desktop Services in Finder.

Finder was given a massive rewrite for Snow Leopard, being rebuilt in Cocoa, an upgrade from the previous Carbon-based application programming interface. Prior to Snow Leopard, Finder was one of the oldest Carbon applications in the Mac OS.

The latest build also reportedly addresses a problem where developers would see a large number of "dyld shared cache" messages in the system log.

Also seeded this week was the 10B504 build of Mac OS X Server 10.6.1. The new build, sources familiar with the software said, focuses on directory services and the serial number framework. The latest update fixes a problem with serial number registration on the server side, in addition to the aforementioned client-side fixes, which could have an impact on the server.

Both the client and server upgrades reportedly have no known issues.

Last week, Apple supplied developers with Mac OS X 10.6.1 build 10B503, the first maintenance release for Snow Leopard. While it did not include any sweeping changes, the update did address problem areas in Bluetooth, the Dock, Mail, printing services, Software Update and System Preferences.

The build, sources said, also included a number of printer-related enhancements, including auto-connection to Bluetooth printers on Mac startup, and printer drivers for both Bonjour and USB printers delivered over Software Update.

In all, 13 specific client-side issues have been addressed through two builds of Mac OS X 10.6.1.
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yeah I know what you mean......FIRST
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I have problem with Mail on one of my accounts. It keeps using resources, a lot of CPU and memory, until my Mac becomes unresponsive, because there isn't any unused memory (Mail uses more than 1.5GB after a while).

It seems to be Spotlight related, because MDWorker is using a lot of CPU cycles, but it doesn't use a lot of memory.
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It seems like a sub-major upgrade. Does it really deserve a 'point one' upgrade title? 10.6.0.1 would have been better?
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It seems like a sub-major upgrade. Does it really deserve a 'point one' upgrade title? 10.6.0.1 would have been better?

Would you rather 10.6 had a bunch of bugs that 10.6.1 needed to fix?
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It seems like a sub-major upgrade. Does it really deserve a 'point one' upgrade title? 10.6.0.1 would have been better?

Maybe so... but in the entire 25 year history of the MacOS... since 1984 with System 1.0 & Finder 1.0... there has never been a three decimal point version. Why start now?
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Maybe so... but in the entire 25 year history of the MacOS... since 1984 with System 1.0 & Finder 1.0... there has never been a three decimal point version. Why start now?



I don't mean to take on the role of Mr. Smarty-Pants here, but I am 22 years old and have been using the Mac OS since 8.1. I remember when I upgraded to Mac OS 8.5, an 8.5.1 update followed shortly thereafter. I believe it was a firmware related update, but it was a 'hundredth' OS point release nonetheless.
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It seems like a sub-major upgrade. Does it really deserve a 'point one' upgrade title? 10.6.0.1 would have been better?

Who cares what the number is? Just give me the update. 10.6.1 seems fine to me. I consider the Finder fairly important and am glad they have finally updated the Finder so I don't see anymore FTFF posts.
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I don't mean to take on the role of Mr. Smarty-Pants here, but I am 22 years old and have been using the Mac OS since 8.1. I remember when I upgraded to Mac OS 8.5, an 8.5.1 update followed shortly thereafter. I believe it was a firmware related update, but it was a 'hundredth' OS point release nonetheless.

Yup. It's not unusually for Apple to release a minor update shortly after a major release. Sometimes just a few weeks after! It's pretty common actually. But they have never used three 'points'... i.e. x.x.x.x. Not as far as I know.
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Who cares what the number is? Just give me the update. 10.6.1 seems fine to me. I consider the Finder fairly important and am glad they have finally updated the Finder so I don't see anymore FTFF posts.

Ya. The 10.6 Finder is awesome. Takes me back to my System 7 days LOL. I think the Mac OS X Finder is finally as fast as the old Classic Finder. I remember installing Mac OS X 10.0 and it was BRUTAL!! It was so slow it was almost unusable. The Finder got better with each new "cat"... but it was never as fast as the original Finder from '84-'01. I think it is now. Which is pretty sweet.
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Ya. The 10.6 Finder is awesome. Takes me back to my System 7 days LOL. I think the Mac OS X Finder is finally as fast as the old Classic Finder. I remember installing Mac OS X 10.0 and it was BRUTAL!! It was so slow it was almost unusable. The Finder got better with each new "cat"... but it was never as fast as the original Finder from '84-'01. I think it is now. Which is pretty sweet.

… and pretty sad at the same time considering it took 10 years and we now have computers that are (at least) 10 times faster.

Of course I am happy to see a Finder that is finally fast and responsive and, even more important, a Finder that finally remembers the location and settings of my various windows !

Don’t get me wrong : Snow Leopard is more than a worthy upgrade. But I guess some people at Apple finally came to realize that some parts of the OS were becoming ludicrously painful to use, and I’m happy they’ve addressed the issue.
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So nothing on Open GL performance problem and new video drivers to fix it ?

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Apple this week supplied supplied developers with the latest build of the first upgrade to Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6.1, which includes fixes for the new Cocoa Finder ...

I haven't had any absolute crashes yet, but I've had to reboot the finder a few times for freezing, especially on previews of video files. I'm not really sure if this isn't Quicktime X's fault though things seem a bit clunky on the Quicktime front right now. There is also some functionality that has fallen in the crack between Quicktime 7 and Quicktime X.
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Too bad it doesn't address the half dozen different interface styles all mixed together in a hodge podge that seems to increase with each new release.
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So nothing on Open GL performance problem and new video drivers to fix it ?

Mario-

You beat me to the proverbial punch.

I ran the Cinebench R10's OpenGL test on my Snow Leoparded MBP3,1 yesterday- the MS XP side of the Bootcamped laptop gave me a score of 3055, and the OSX side gave me a score of 1809.

FWIW, on my SLed iMac9,1 w/ Radeon HD 4850 (no Bootcamp) in K32 mode I get an OpenGL score of 6937, and in K64 mode I get 6983.
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and pretty sad at the same time considering it took 10 years and we now have computers that are (at least) 10 times faster.

Maybe one should realize that todays finder (as the mac in large) does a lot more than any classic mac finders did. Both visually and in the background. And when running Multi Finder back in those days ... well fast may not be my first description. But we maybe thought of it like that.



Those were the day. Mac Plus with 20 Mbyte external hard drive + internal floppy + external floppy. Boy did I have room on that hard drive!
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Ya. The 10.6 Finder is awesome. Takes me back to my System 7 days LOL. I think the Mac OS X Finder is finally as fast as the old Classic Finder. I remember installing Mac OS X 10.0 and it was BRUTAL!! It was so slow it was almost unusable. The Finder got better with each new "cat"... but it was never as fast as the original Finder from '84-'01. I think it is now. Which is pretty sweet.

so true. after almost ten years, there are still things i miss from the old finder. why does the zoom button still not do what i expect it to do? i guess i'm slow to adjust...
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Too bad it doesn't address the half dozen different interface styles all mixed together in a hodge podge that seems to increase with each new release.

i guess a 'under the hood' upgrade wasn't the place for it. i look forward to it as well. 10.7?
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I don't care what the number is. When do we get it? When?
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Maybe so... but in the entire 25 year history of the MacOS... since 1984 with System 1.0 & Finder 1.0... there has never been a three decimal point version. Why start now?

You're right.
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"Dont get me wrong : Snow Leopard is more than a worthy upgrade. But I guess some people at Apple finally came to realize that some parts of the OS were becoming ludicrously painful to use, and Im happy theyve addressed the issue."

The important part about Snow Leopard is the future; the opportunities which it can provide. It finally takes advantage of the 64 bit hardware in the Intel Core 2 processors. The Mac will be leaving Wintel in the dust. The Cocoa API's are mature enough that Apple can devote it's efforts on improvements, not correcting past mistakes. 10.7 should be impressive in about 12 to 18 months. Apple has been putting off new features until its foundations were reworked.

" and pretty sad at the same time considering it took 10 years and we now have computers that are (at least) 10 times faster."

It was impossible, 1997, to get Adobe and Microsoft to re-write their applications in Cocoa. Apple was forced to invent a bridge, Carbon, to take the Mac OS to Cocoa.

Now, we can began to put away the 32 bit Carbon applications, this year, as developers upgrade their code to 64 bit, Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL. We will be seeing some impressive speed boosts from that.

NeXTstep was the best OS in the world in 1996, but it had few developers and users. Now, Mac OSX is NeXTstep with a Mac like GUI on top. Most of the sharp edges have been worn away. The future looks bright.

Microsoft will be taking a long, painful migration to 64 bit code. It's weak foundations cause it to be very difficult to secure. Windows malware is not going away.
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and pretty sad at the same time considering it took 10 years and we now have computers that are (at least) 10 times faster.

Of course I am happy to see a Finder that is finally fast and responsive and, even more important, a Finder that finally remembers the location and settings of my various windows !

Dont get me wrong : Snow Leopard is more than a worthy upgrade. But I guess some people at Apple finally came to realize that some parts of the OS were becoming ludicrously painful to use, and Im happy theyve addressed the issue.

i wish those people at apple would have found it in themselves to fix those things for all mac users though. as somebody that still has the odd powerpc macs kicking around, i'm somewhat underwhelmed by the fact that some of my computers don't get those 'bug fixes'.

... and yeah, the 'windows settings' fix took so long, i didn't care about it anymore.
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I don't mean to take on the role of Mr. Smarty-Pants here, but I am 22 years old and have been using the Mac OS since 8.1. I remember when I upgraded to Mac OS 8.5, an 8.5.1 update followed shortly thereafter. I believe it was a firmware related update, but it was a 'hundredth' OS point release nonetheless.

Actually, in your zest to be a 'Mr. Smarty pants' you failed to read the OP comment correctly. He said why start using a 3 decimal point system now and you referenced a two decimal point release as proof that they used a 3 point release number.
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I just ordered Snow Leopard from Amazon and haven't even gotten it yet. I wonder if I should just hold off on installing it until 10.6.1 comes out!
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How about automatically remembering view settings for each Finder window instead of forcing all windows to use the same settings as the last opened window?
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"Don’t get me wrong : Snow Leopard is more than a worthy upgrade. But I guess some people at Apple finally came to realize that some parts of the OS were becoming ludicrously painful to use, and I’m happy they’ve addressed the issue."

The important part about Snow Leopard is the future; the opportunities which it can provide. It finally takes advantage of the 64 bit hardware in the Intel Core 2 processors. The Mac will be leaving Wintel in the dust. The Cocoa API's are mature enough that Apple can devote it's efforts on improvements, not correcting past mistakes. 10.7 should be impressive in about 12 to 18 months. Apple has been putting off new features until its foundations were reworked.

"… and pretty sad at the same time considering it took 10 years and we now have computers that are (at least) 10 times faster."

It was impossible, 1997, to get Adobe and Microsoft to re-write their applications in Cocoa. Apple was forced to invent a bridge, Carbon, to take the Mac OS to Cocoa.

Now, we can began to put away the 32 bit Carbon applications, this year, as developers upgrade their code to 64 bit, Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL. We will be seeing some impressive speed boosts from that.

NeXTstep was the best OS in the world in 1996, but it had few developers and users. Now, Mac OSX is NeXTstep with a Mac like GUI on top. Most of the sharp edges have been worn away. The future looks bright.

Microsoft will be taking a long, painful migration to 64 bit code. It's weak foundations cause it to be very difficult to secure. Windows malware is not going away.

Exactly.
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It seems like a sub-major upgrade. Does it really deserve a 'point one' upgrade title? 10.6.0.1 would have been better?

That is retarded.
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Originally Posted by Jdanek630 View Post

I don't mean to take on the role of Mr. Smarty-Pants here, but I am 22 years old and have been using the Mac OS since 8.1. I remember when I upgraded to Mac OS 8.5, an 8.5.1 update followed shortly thereafter. I believe it was a firmware related update, but it was a 'hundredth' OS point release nonetheless.

He is talking about the prior post in which the guy claims the upgrade should be 10.6.0.1, hence three decimal places, which is retarded!
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Ya. The 10.6 Finder is awesome. Takes me back to my System 7 days LOL. I think the Mac OS X Finder is finally as fast as the old Classic Finder.

Well it sure does crash as much as the System 7 Finder! The System 7 finder was just like the 10.0 Finder...it was considerably slower than the System 6 Finder.

The Finder has plenty of bugs in it, one of the major ones is the painfully slow iDisk access. If you have a lot of items in a folder, it will crash the Finder. iDisk on the web is very fast, but the Finder access is horrible.

The Snow Leopard Finder is faster than Leopard, but there are problems. They removed the preference hack to disable the lame-ass stripe views in the lists. The other flaw is that now you must have Recent Documents enabled in order for TextEdit to remember Recent Documents. I don't care for recent documents in the finder for everything I open, just want it in particular applications for those documents only.
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Maybe so... but in the entire 25 year history of the MacOS... since 1984 with System 1.0 & Finder 1.0... there has never been a three decimal point version. Why start now?

System 7.5.3r2.

'Nuff said.
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Actually, in your zest to be a 'Mr. Smarty pants' you failed to read the OP comment correctly. He said why start using a 3 decimal point system now and you referenced a two decimal point release as proof that they used a 3 point release number.


I stand corrected. I did not think my point through (my apologies). I'm not actually sure why I thought I had made a point there... I will now proceed to take my walk of shame. I think working the third shift zapped a few of my brain cells that morning.

Anyways, I look forward to the update. Does anyone happen to know if it will include extended support for HP printers? My HP Deskjet F2200 is unusable under SL. I'm not counting on HP to provide a compatability update.

Edit: 10.6.1 has just been released AS I was typing this.... so disregard my question. HP also recently released an update for my printer, yielding a state of utter shock for me: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/s...os=219&lang=en
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