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Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post

It isn't a new model like the 32 GB and 64 GB versions. The are keeping the 2nd gen iPod touch around at a reduced price just like the 8 GB iPhone 3G.

I don't understand how the 32 and 64 GB units are "New" models then. What's new? There was a huge difference between the old iPhone 3G and the new 3G s
post #122 of 259
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Originally Posted by mcmlxix View Post

Doesn't Apple typically have a refresh in October too? If so, which product family does it usually pertain to?

In 2005, they had two iPod announcements - Sep and Oct. Sep was a nano bump, while Oct had the new iPod video. Before 2005, they had one iPod announcement in Oct. In 2006 and 2008, they had Mac announcements in Oct.
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Jeff, be careful what you say dude. Seriously. You did your job, you edited the posts....now don't say a word more to me.

EDIT: I decided to edit my post at the last second before you responded. Seriously, drop it.

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post #124 of 259
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I don't understand how the 32 and 64 GB units are "New" models then. What's new? There was a huge difference between the old iPhone 3G and the new 3G s

At a minimum, Apple said the new ones have faster processors. We'll need to await the tear-down folks to tell us what else.
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post #125 of 259
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I don't understand how the 32 and 64 GB units are "New" models then. What's new? There was a huge difference between the old iPhone 3G and the new 3G s

The main internals seem to be the same as the iPhone 3GS. Id wager that well find a Cortex A8 and PowerVR GPU with 256MB RAM, and it may even be at a higher clock than the 3GS, which will make it a better gaming device.
post #126 of 259
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Originally Posted by iCarbon View Post

crazy, those technical issues must have been horrible...

I wonder what went wrong?

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Shocking as it may seem, it looks like video on the touch is a no-go...

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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

And video? Does the new touch have video, just like the nano?

Ha ha! This rumor site was wrong...the iPod Touch never got a camera, but you ate it up and believed it! Amazing how gullible people can be. They were also wrong about iTunes too (Blu Ray and DVD-ripping...how stupid can some people be?)
post #127 of 259
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

what is the point of 802.11n when most people don't have broadband that fast?

The only reason I can see is that using the iPod touch on your home 802.11n network drops it to g speeds.

On the flip side, I believe the 802.11n chips still draw more power than the 802.11g ones, so keeping the touch at g gives it longer battery life.
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post #128 of 259
I'll pass on reaching for the credit card on a new iPod touch.

My wife has a 3 month old touch, but I would have replaced it if there was a camera and video added. As it is there is no reason to spend the money.

Maybe next year. I'll look for a camera on the front (for iChat) as well as one on the back for photos and movies. Would buy a new iPhone for myself if that happened.

Now all I'm waiting for is the new i7 processor for Intel on an iMac.
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post #129 of 259
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Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post

The rumor world isn't representative of the real world. Most people don't know about the camera rumor, nor do they know about the ZuneHD, but they do know about the iPod Touch. A larger update would have brought in more ipod touch upgrades, that's true, but we have no idea why Apple left the camera out, so I wouldn't jump to call it a mistake.

Actually, it was more than just a "rumor", as there were countless news articles during the course of a few weeks on Google that speculated a Ipod touch with a camera, many of them written by Finance reporters as well as Tech reporters. It wasn't just an Mac fanboy insider rumor. For most people, this upgrade would be expected and logically, a "no brainer". The Iphone and the Ipod touch are nearly identical (with the exceptional of the phone portion), and since the Iphone now has a built in camera/video camera, it would have been the natural evolutionary update for the Ipod touch. But that was not to happen. How difficult would it have been to put a camera on a device that you already have it in in a nearly identical device? This new "update" of more speed gives no tangible reason for current Ipod touch owners to upgrade. It just doesn't make sense. For that, it was indeed a MISTAKE; who ever decided to not include the camera on the Touch did a piss poor job of decision making from a marketing standpoint. Horrendous mistake, Apple.
post #130 of 259
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Originally Posted by kenaustus View Post

Now all I'm waiting for is the new i7 processor for Intel on an iMac.

Is the TDP of the i7s anywhere close to the TDP of the C2Ds used in the current iMacs?
post #131 of 259
I am as surprised as I am amused over all these teed-off reactions.
First off, though, I have a question: What's the bluetooth for?
I think it'd be nice if they made automatic syncing over it an option.

More on topic, I'd like to share that I'm extremely HAPPY that the Touch does NOT have a camera. Yes, I made a little dance around the room upon this pleasant shocker. I too bought into the rumours and speculations, so imagine my relief.
All I wanted was the 64 gigs, and I got a little processor boost on top of it. Regarding GPS, I'm anxious to see the upcoming TomTom hardware - 'cause if not for navigating in the car, I see no use for GPS on any mobile device. I can actually remember, for instance, the countries in which I take my photos - (using a neat little device called a camera).

Most of the "loyal to Apple" gadget geeks crying wolf, will very likely own a non-Apple phone that includes a camera with better specs than anything Mac have to offer. Personally, I'd like to consider the Touch a semi-'serious' device for its above-decent organizer, e-mail and web apps. To have all that on the world's "funnest" and most user-friendly portable media player, is already quite amazing.
A camera would actually spoil it for me, as do a lot of the apps that I'd never download, because to me they take a bit off the Touch's classiness. The decision to put the instant YouTube clip maker on the Nano, is an excellent one. Let them young 'uns fool around with those - that's why the Nano comes in silly colors, right?

Still, please y'all keep up the whining. It makes the real world seem so bubbly.
post #132 of 259
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Originally Posted by Jo.han View Post

I am as surprised as I am amused over all these teed-off reactions.
First off, though, I have a question: What's the bluetooth for?
I think it'd be nice if they made automatic syncing over it an option.

Do you have any idea how long it would take to sync 64GB over BT?
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Do you have any idea how long it would take to sync 64GB over BT?

Of course I do,
but A. does anyone change 64GB between syncs or do we just tweak?
and B. I was mainly thinking about calendar and contacts and such.
post #134 of 259
I'm in near tears because Yoko wasn't there. Even worse, no camera on the iPod touch.

64 GB and a camera with a slightly faster processor would have sucked the credit card right out of my wallet.

At least I won't have to TIVO Obama's big speech to watch Apple's event.....

This will cause a blip in the upgrade cycle. But Apple will make up for it in the next upgrade.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Wow, such off-the charts hyperventilation over a rumor that did not come to pass!?

And, thank you, Apple, for keeping the Classic and bumping up its specs for the same price!

I'll second the praise for the Classic.

However, Apple has put themselves into a mind boggling position. In order to convince a nano customer to spend more money they not only have to prove the value of the app store, they have to convince the customer that the radio, camera and pedometer in the nano are of no value. It's possible that those are the very features that attracted her in the first place.

Why would any company put itself in a position where it has to denigrate its own product to sell a more expensive one?
Why would any company put itself in a position where it must insult the intelligence of a potential customer?

I'd be amazed if AAPL shareholders aren't more outraged by such insanity than the posters on this forum. I simply cannot believe Steve Jobs or anyone else with an IQ greater than his shoe size approved this new iPod lineup.
post #136 of 259
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Originally Posted by skottichan View Post

I'm sorry, but really, why is everyone in full on geek rage over an unsubstantiated rumor not coming to fruition?

Bingo! Apple never promised anything. Sites like this add fuel to the fire, but many times do hit on the mark.

I really can't see an overwhelming use for a camera, myself. I'd loved the GPS, though, and that would have made the difference for me. I'm leaning toward the Nano, as is, and waiting on the Verizon iPhone rumors to either come to fruition or not. I'm active, so a Nano is looking good, but I won't use the camera on that, either, probably.
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Originally Posted by Jo.han View Post

Of course I do,
but A. does anyone change 64GB between syncs or do we just tweak?
and B. I was mainly thinking about calendar and contacts and such.

Id think WiFi would be better for that since it has a larger area of use and is faster. On top of that, most people liekly dont keep BT on as it drains power just from being turned on, even if there is no data being sent, and do Touch users really need to have contacts and calendars updated instantly like a phone can easily do since it, by design, is in an always on state. It would be great, but there are just too many negatives and very few pros that would appeal to very few people.
post #138 of 259
My son was saving for a Touch with video camera and when he heard it was only in the Nano, he suggested he order the Touch from the online Apple Store and have it engraved with 'Insert camera here'... He may 'settle' for the Nano...and that's a real feeling...'settling'. I told him to wait until the day after the Zune HD announcement...something's just weird about no 16GB Touch...
post #139 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Id think WiFi would be better for that since it has a larger area of use and is faster. On top of that, most people liekly dont keep BT on as it drains power just from being turned on, even if there is no data being sent, and do Touch users really need to have contacts and calendars updated instantly like a phone can easily do since it, by design, is in an always on state. It would be great, but there are just too many negatives and very few pros that would appeal to very few people.

Agreed, though I'd be o.k. with automatic wireless non-MobileMe syncing.

What is the BT for then? Headset? GPS receiver pairing? Remotely blending smoothies?
post #140 of 259
People


Remember Apple gets money back from the cell carriers and the iPhone costs $600 on top of that. (integrated in the monthly price naturally)



One can't expect nearly all the features of the iPhone to be in the iPod Touch (minus the phone circuitry) for a price people are willing to pay all cash up front for.

$199 is the magic number, meaning it's the price point most people are willing to pay and Apple makes the most overall profit. Just like 99¢ is a magic number and the reason the price isn't rounded up is because $199 sounds cheaper than $200, all marketing tricks.

Suppose a price of $549 for a 'iPhone stripped of the phone' isn't what people are willing to pay in any volume worth the trouble for Apple which has to think about making the MOST MONEY overall. So it's a combination of the 'most sales' with the 'most margins' to equal the most money.

It's possible the numbers and the experience of previous sales Apple has had led them to believe it wasn't a good decision to try to sell a $549 iPod Touch with GPS, 64GB of storage, 5 megapixel video camera etc. etc.



Geeks want a device that has everything, but they sure not many will pay $549 for it. I'm sure the sales of the $399 devices are not great.
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post #141 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Do you have any idea how long it would take to sync 64GB over BT?

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Originally Posted by Jo.han View Post

Of course I do,
but A. does anyone change 64GB between syncs or do we just tweak?
and B. I was mainly thinking about calendar and contacts and such.

Right, calendar & contacts are about all BT can do unless you just let it sit there. For me, I might have 100MB of tracks that get shuffled around on every sync. It looks like it would be a 13 minute sync, assuming 1Mbps.
post #142 of 259
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Originally Posted by UltimateKylie View Post

Shows Zune HD with a games menu. Microsoft has also confirmed there will be games. Will there be as many good games as the iPod Touch, will they be better or worse quality? Only time will tell.

The least Apple could have done is brought FM Radio to its entire lineup.

Maybe Apple didn't update the Touch today because they don't have to.

Maybe they are going to wait unti MS releases the Zune and then squish it with "one more thing" like they did with the original Zune when they released the touch.

Would be fun to watch if nothing else
post #143 of 259
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Originally Posted by Jo.han View Post

Agreed, though I'd be o.k. with automatic wireless non-MobileMe syncing.

What is the BT for then? Headset? GPS receiver pairing? Remotely blending smoothies?

I believe the main reason for the add is for wireless BT headsets using the A2DP that was included with v3.0. I personally would use this if the power efficiency and sound quality was better, but its not good enough to warrant the expense at this time for me.

PS: Before someone says it, Nike+ apparently uses a variant of 802.11 like WiFi, not BT for receiving from the shoe accelerometer.
post #144 of 259
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Right, calendar & contacts are about all BT can do unless you just let it sit there. For me, I might have 100MB of tracks that get shuffled around on every sync. It looks like it would be a 13 minute sync, assuming 1Mbps.

Assuming you can get BT to work reliably.

It still boggles me that I can't sync over WiFi
post #145 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

I believe the main reason for the add is for wireless BT headsets using the A2DP that was included with v3.0. I personally would use this if the power efficiency and sound quality was better, but its not good enough to warrant the expense at this time for me.


The only use for Bluetooth does seem to be for A2DP, as well as a wireless device interface for hardware add-ons.

I'm surprised that more people aren't bothered by headphone cords. It does take power, but not too terribly bad, and the sound quality seems to be good enough for outdoor use.
post #146 of 259
Apple completely dropped the ball on the new ipod touch. Seriously, what a let down. I have been holding out for months waiting for the new camera/mic equipped units that not only were rumored, but were the only logical next step. So what does Apple do? They give the NANO a video camera and do hardly anything for the Touch. What a miserable fail on Apple's part. I hope the stock goes into the ground. They tout the Touch as some great gaming device. Fine. But it could be that one gadget that you need that can take care of all your multi-media & computing needs on the go without the insane data package price and atrocious "service" from AT&T (a company that everyone is beginning to realize sucks to the core, don't get me started on that one...), but no. Now you still have to carry your camera and/or camcorder along with your music/gaming device. They definitely didn't make the Touch a must-have by any means. What a pathetic joke. Apple: this just might be the beginning of the end for you, you sad, sad fools. I hope you sell no more than 27 new units and make a public apology for not delivering what you KNEW the consumers wanted.
post #147 of 259
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Maybe Apple didn't update the Touch today because they don't have to.
Maybe they are going to wait unti MS releases the Zune and then squish it with "one more thing".

Would be fun to watch if nothing else

That's the spirit!
Microsoft are hilarious with their anti-Mac ads and most recently their "education" of PC sales personnel
(and people in this thread are accusing Apple of treating us like we're stoopid).

I'll pack some sandwiches and bring my folding chair.
post #148 of 259
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It still boggles me that I can't sync over WiFi

Exactly. That's why i asked about bluetooth.
I have a MobileMe account, but the point of that eludes me when all affected devices are in the house.
Besides that, loads of people do not have MobileMe and need to plug into USB each and every time.
post #149 of 259
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Apple completely dropped the ball on the new ipod touch.

No new iPod touch for me. No iPhone either (ridiculous data/phone plan prices)

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post #150 of 259
Today fell short of expectations on the iPod Touch. In the next few days Apple leadership is going to realize that it dropped a dud. True, we're getting 64GB which is something I looked forward to since i'm out of headroom on my current 32GB. But no camera and still priced at $399? At that price I'll take a 64GB with HD video. Anything less isn't worth it. Great gaming experience? Maybe for obsessives, but I could care less. Instead, let me download and see videos in formats that Apple currently bans.

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post #151 of 259
Given the discrepancy in features, it looks like Apple's trying to give people a reason to own multiple iPods.
post #152 of 259
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Originally Posted by Kibitzer View Post

Today fell short of expectations on the iPod Touch. In the next few days Apple leadership is going to realize that it dropped a dud. True, we're getting 64GB which is something I looked forward to since i'm out of headroom on my current 32GB. But no camera and still priced at $399? At that price I'll take a 64GB with HD video. Anything less isn't worth it. Great gaming experience? Maybe for obsessives, but I could care less. Instead, let me download and see videos in formats that Apple currently bans.

They didn't raise the price, did they? It's double the capacity for the same price and much more powerful chips inside too. I can see a video camera being a reasonable upgrade expectation, but HD seems to be a bit much, even the regular iPhone doesn't have HD video recording.
post #153 of 259
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People

Remember Apple gets money back from the cell carriers and the iPhone costs $600 on top of that. (integrated in the monthly price naturally)

One can't expect nearly all the features of the iPhone to be in the iPod Touch (minus the phone circuitry) for a price people are willing to pay all cash up front for.

The iPod touch likely has the lowest margin of Apple's products (whereas the iPhone has the highest margin). The 8GB iPhone 3G gets about $400-450 from AT&T, while Apple now sells the 8GB iPod touch for $199. All the iPhone extras, such as the phone circuitry, camera, and GPS, don't add up to even $100 in parts and labor. Apple was aiming for the $199 price point, and likely couldn't reach its acceptable margin if they were to add anything else to it.

(Which of course, leads to the question of how Microsoft is going to sell its 16GB OLED Zune HD for $219? Is it breaking even or losing money on each device sold in order to establish a market presence?)

Some may ask why can't Apple just add the camera to the 32GB and 64GB iPod touch models, which gain some margin by marking up the flash RAM. I think Apple was intending to but couldn't get the quality they wanted due to "technical" problems. (Note the camera on the iPod touch would be either 2MP or 3MP, not VGA like on the nano. And the iPod touch is thinner than the iPhone.) Steve Jobs may have been the one to kill the upgrade when he returned to work.
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post #154 of 259
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No new iPod touch for me. No iPhone either (ridiculous data/phone plan prices)

BOOOORRRRRRIIIINNNGGGG



The iPhone monthly charges are the same as what verizon charges and less than the blackberry tour
post #155 of 259
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Assuming you can get BT to work reliably.

It still boggles me that I can't sync over WiFi



Then apple would have to license smb from Microsoft as well and unless you have vista sp2 or windows 7 it's going to take a very long time. Hours and hours
post #156 of 259
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I'm sorry, but really, why is everyone in full on geek rage over an unsubstantiated rumor not coming to fruition?

you are so absolutely right - instead of berating Apple for keeping something back for a year why don't we just raise a slight eyebrow at all those who suggested that a camera was in the wings: how many hours before the event was John Gruber describing cameras as "sure thing bets". Hmmm. Thanks to those numpties who've been banging on about this for weeks publishing photos of Touch cases with a hole drilled in them and merrily popping up photos of camera-clad Touch breakdowns.

I've just wasted forty pounds selling off my 2g touch on ebay last week only to find that the new one is, er, a 2g.

May a fly come down and land in the ear of everyone who's lead me up the garden path. And may it stick there for many a year.
post #157 of 259
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Originally Posted by Jo.han View Post

Regarding GPS, I'm anxious to see the upcoming TomTom hardware - 'cause if not for navigating in the car, I see no use for GPS on any mobile device.

Clearly you have no interest in golf, hunting, or hiking.
post #158 of 259
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Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

I think Apple will be discontinuing the iPod Touch line, and they left out the camera for this reason. The iPod Touch will be reborn as the entry level Apple Tablet device which will include the camera, and a host of other new features. It will be available alongside it's 7" or 9" (or whatever) sibling

Egad, I hope not. I don't want this version to get too much larger, just more capable... like the nano.

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post #159 of 259
Here is come compelling information as to why the Touch didnt get a camera, but take it with a grain of salt.


Q You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A Originally, we werent exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, You dont know what youve got here its a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is its the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We dont need to add new stuff we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...wt=nytimesbits
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Apple completely dropped the ball on the new ipod touch. Seriously, what a let down. I have been holding out for months waiting for the new camera/mic equipped units that not only were rumored, but were the only logical next step. So what does Apple do? They give the NANO a video camera and do hardly anything for the Touch. What a miserable fail on Apple's part. I hope the stock goes into the ground. They tout the Touch as some great gaming device. Fine. But it could be that one gadget that you need that can take care of all your multi-media & computing needs on the go without the insane data package price and atrocious "service" from AT&T (a company that everyone is beginning to realize sucks to the core, don't get me started on that one...), but no. Now you still have to carry your camera and/or camcorder along with your music/gaming device. They definitely didn't make the Touch a must-have by any means. What a pathetic joke. Apple: this just might be the beginning of the end for you, you sad, sad fools. I hope you sell no more than 27 new units and make a public apology for not delivering what you KNEW the consumers wanted.

Today's lesson: Don't buy into rumors, unless they're no longer rumors.

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