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Today's lesson: Don't buy into rumors, unless they're no longer rumors.

So the Dont buy into rumors, unless OMG I want to be true because it would be like the coolest thing ever I love unicorns is not the way to go?
post #162 of 259
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

And having Apple ship the iPod touch with a known defective camera would be what?! FTW???

Dave

Obviously, I haven't read all the posts at this point.

I, too, think it is odd that the Touch doesn't have a camera at least the equivalent of the corresponding iPhone models.

And, I agree that, No Way, would Apple ship a product with a known, highly visible, defect-- that's called "Pissing in the Soup"

They could have (rather easily, IMO), announced a Touch with a camera with availability a month (or 2 out) and/or constrained supply... maybe with some incentive to compensate for the delay & inconvenience. That would be the kind of "good marketing" we expect from Apple.

So there could be a availability constraint on a specific component for the camera (sensor, lens, flash, etc).

Or maybe they tried to include a, relatively high-quality, camera with a physically adjustable lens... and missed.

Or, there could be something else in play, altogether.

They could be avoiding a perceived market segment, because they have another device waiting in the wings.

This whole show may have been an off-Broadway introduction of the play to come!

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post #163 of 259
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Egad, I hope not. I don't want this version to get too much larger, just more capable... like the nano.

No. That's exactly what I mean. Just like the MacBooks, the tablet will come in "small" and "large" version (and maybe a "medium"). The small version will be the iPod Touch (with enhanced feature set, including camera etc.)
post #164 of 259
Too bad, I was ready to buy. I hope I do not have to wait another year.

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The lack of a camera on the new iPod touch is surprising
post #165 of 259
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

What, did we just return to 1982?

The Nano has the FM tuner.

Actually, I have an iPod shuffle I use at the gym except when I am jogging on the treadmills, because I watch the TVs there where each one is on its own low power FM signal. I was hoping that the new Touch's would have FM radio so I can merge these together. Instead, I guess I need to go with a Nano...WTF?
post #166 of 259
All the whining about cameras really surprises me; the mic is a bigger disappointment to me hands-down! The mic lets you use it as a Skype/VOIP phone with wifi, and wouldn't impact margins. Likewise, bluetooth networking would let you use whichever phone network you like...

People would have been pissed over a 2MP, fixed-focus camera as well.

For me, it is a non-sale due to the mic, but the mass market won't care.
post #167 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Here is come compelling information as to why the Touch didnt get a camera, but take it with a grain of salt.


Q You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A Originally, we werent exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, You dont know what youve got here its a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is its the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We dont need to add new stuff we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...wt=nytimesbits


Its a pathetic games machine, and the cost is irrelevant when they provide nothing of interest for peopel to part with their cash.
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post #168 of 259
Now that I think about it the current refresh makes sense sort of. First, Apple usually only does an incremental upgrade to it's higher end iPods before Christmas. It focuses on lower end lines like the Nano and Shuffle before the Holidays knowing that people usually are buying for other people and spend less money doing so. After the Holidays people have holiday money and buy for themselves and are willing to spend more. I suspect Apple will do a more significant iPod Touch upgrade in January.
post #169 of 259
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Originally Posted by skottichan View Post

I'm sorry, but really, why is everyone in full on geek rage over an unsubstantiated rumor not coming to fruition?

Because I've been wanting the camera for years. I'm disappointed that Apple didn't give me a real reason to buy a new iPod Touch. I have a 1G iPod Touch (16 gb). I'm not paying $299 for an extra 16gb of storage.

Camera, GPS, etc would have given me a reason to purchase now. 'Tis a pity.
post #170 of 259
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Well, it fell all of 1% (on a day that the NASDAQ fell by 0.64%). I suppose that is, technically, a decline....

Sorry to burst your bubble
but NASDAQ finished +22.62, AAPL -1.79
post #171 of 259
i'm usually pretty wordy about new product postings, but really Apple...

FAIL!!!

now for the verbose part...
So no camera and no FM tuner (FM tuner? why not HD radio Tuner?)
What the hell were they thinking? Oh, yeah, right, they're loosing sales on the Nano so let's beef that up and milk the touch by lowering price and offering more memory. Sounds like a by-year for the touch. I could care less considering i have the iPhone, 3g but i could care less about GPS.

Then, no camera and no tuner on the iPod classic. My girlfriend just had a pretty crappy birthday because her thoughtful boyfriend was going to wait to purchase that 160 GB classic because it might offer a camera and Tuner. Fail times 2!!!

we're of the crowd that likes our entire library on our iPod. Why bother if it doesn't IMHO? Not even 64 GB is going to cut the proverbial mustard.
post #172 of 259
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Originally Posted by moose07 View Post

Apple completely dropped the ball on the new ipod touch. Seriously, what a let down. I have been holding out for months waiting for the new camera/mic equipped units that not only were rumored, but were the only logical next step. So what does Apple do? They give the NANO a video camera and do hardly anything for the Touch. What a miserable fail on Apple's part. I hope the stock goes into the ground. They tout the Touch as some great gaming device. Fine. But it could be that one gadget that you need that can take care of all your multi-media & computing needs on the go without the insane data package price and atrocious "service" from AT&T (a company that everyone is beginning to realize sucks to the core, don't get me started on that one...), but no. Now you still have to carry your camera and/or camcorder along with your music/gaming device. They definitely didn't make the Touch a must-have by any means. What a pathetic joke. Apple: this just might be the beginning of the end for you, you sad, sad fools. I hope you sell no more than 27 new units and make a public apology for not delivering what you KNEW the consumers wanted.

Give me a break. You are the moron for believing the rumor sites! They don't want the Touch to tap into iPhone sales. If you want a camera in the iPod Touch, buy an iPhone. Since you don't have an iPhone, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You are reading posts on a message board. I have no problem with AT&T and I get great service in Los Angeles. All my friends with iPhones have great service too, both originals and 3G's. Apple did not drop the ball, you were the idiot that believed the rumors would be true!
post #173 of 259
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

i'm usually pretty wordy about new product postings, but really Apple...

FAIL!!!

now for the verbose part...
So no camera and no FM tuner (FM tuner? why not HD radio Tuner?)
What the hell were they thinking? Oh, yeah, right, they're loosing sales on the Nano so let's beef that up and milk the touch by lowering price and offering more memory. Sounds like a by-year for the touch. I could care less considering i have the iPhone, 3g but i could care less about GPS.

Then, no camera and no tuner on the iPod classic. My girlfriend just had a pretty crappy birthday because her thoughtful boyfriend was going to wait to purchase that 160 GB classic because it might offer a camera and Tuner. Fail times 2!!!

we're of the crowd that likes our entire library on our iPod. Why bother if it doesn't IMHO? Not even 64 GB is going to cut the proverbial mustard.

The bullshit rumors never said the Classic would get a camera! Who the hell listens to FM? Can't believe you fell for a rumor that never existed!
post #174 of 259
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

The iPhone monthly charges are the same as what verizon charges and less than the blackberry tour

I want it as a go-phone. I don't use the phone part. I'd love the data plan.
post #175 of 259
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Originally Posted by rearden View Post

I am disappointed. I wanted to get an ipod touch but there is little difference between 2nd and 3rd generation.

No internal mic.
No GPS.
No camera.
No 802.11n.

I will not be making a purchase.
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faster gaming gpu
that is a lot
as time goes on all the pods will get a lot of what we all want
Yet some pods may never get certain things /



MIFI may also be coming to the ipod touch
the fat nano may return stripped down and cheap for china india markets


also for china india and the world an IPOD NANO PHONE
which for all who don't wanna surf may want this .
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post #176 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Here is come compelling information as to why the Touch didnt get a camera, but take it with a grain of salt.


Q You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A Originally, we werent exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, You dont know what youve got here its a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is its the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We dont need to add new stuff we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...wt=nytimesbits

why ???
the touch is a world record device for sales
to freeze the touch where it is <<<sweet spot > and maybe add faster gpu and more gig's for the gamers and surfer's. Seems like what APPLE AND STEVE have done and will do .
What the touch will have soon is a MIFI
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post #178 of 259
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

nothing went wrong, you have to consider Apple and their margins

And you know this to be a fact?...
post #179 of 259
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

Its a pathetic games machine, and the cost is irrelevant when they provide nothing of interest for peopel to part with their cash.

You're absolutely right, that's why they've sold 20 million of them...
post #180 of 259
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Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

No. That's exactly what I mean. Just like the MacBooks, the tablet will come in "small" and "large" version (and maybe a "medium"). The small version will be the iPod Touch (with enhanced feature set, including camera etc.)

Spot on, this comment.

If it's not a technical/manufacturing issue with the camera it's simply Apple waiting for a few months so that some of the tablet technology (processor etc) can trickle down into a totally new and revamped/redesigned iPod touch line in January (or later, whenever).

That's when the "small" version of the tablet/touch gets the camera, not now. No need to rush the camera into the last hurrah of the iPod touch when there will be totally new, very droolworthy, and fantastic next-gen hardware just months from now*. Makes perfect sense to me ... why equip it with x camera when y camera (a slightly better one) will be in production shortly. Just finish up the current touch with a little speed upgrade and then boom! One more thing in January.

* And yes, I do think that anyone buying the touch today (and I had my wallet ready for a camera equipped one today to replace my 1st gen 8GB one, but no more, I'm waiting) will be kicking themselves four months from now when the real new iPod touch line (including tablet, and camera) debuts. This is Apple after all, always thinking forward.
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post #181 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Here is come compelling information as to why the Touch didnt get a camera, but take it with a grain of salt.


Q You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A Originally, we werent exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, You dont know what youve got here its a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is its the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We dont need to add new stuff we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...wt=nytimesbits

They could've done an iPhone 3G/3Gs and kept the iPod Touch (at $199) and had an "iPod Touch S" with a camera.
post #182 of 259
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Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

I think Apple will be discontinuing the iPod Touch line, and they left out the camera for this reason. The iPod Touch will be reborn as the entry level Apple Tablet device which will include the camera, and a host of other new features. It will be available alongside it's 7" or 9" (or whatever) sibling

I was thinking about this too. I suppose this is a possibility. But no, I don't think it will happen. If anything, the new tablet device would be compared to the iphone because I'm sure it will have a built in 3G radio. Or maybe not.
post #183 of 259
Didn't the 8GB 2g touch have a volume control? Apparently it's gone today along with the remote.
post #184 of 259
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Originally Posted by skottichan View Post

I'm sorry, but really, why is everyone in full on geek rage over an unsubstantiated rumor not coming to fruition?

Because it was way wayyy more than a rumor. It was just about a done deal. We're all amateur tech analysts here and it was common knowledge by now that it was indeed going to have a camera. It was a behind the scenes MAJOR FOULUP that caused the new ipod touch not to have a camera.
post #185 of 259
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Originally Posted by Dueces View Post

Dude shut up seriously.

If he don't ban you he is a punk.

Either way you are a punk.

Dude, why are you trying to start something? Are you a punk? I calmed myself down and told him to drop it because I saw it was going to needlessly escalate. What are you a high schooler? Get back on topic.
post #186 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Here is come compelling information as to why the Touch didnt get a camera, but take it with a grain of salt.


Q You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A Originally, we werent exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, You dont know what youve got here its a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is its the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We dont need to add new stuff we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...wt=nytimesbits

I thought that answer by Jobs was completely insulting to his customer base. He obviously thinks we are all retarded. Who exactly is the punk? I'll tell you. We all are the punks!
post #187 of 259
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Originally Posted by UltimateKylie View Post

So no FM Radio (yet they can in the Nano)? No details on the CPU?

The ZuneHD is cheaper and has:
FM Radio & HD Radio
OLED Screen
1GHZ NVIDIA TEGRA.

I saw that Apple was really pushing the Gaming experience. But the Zune will be having gaming, its GPU and CPU can do more and Microsoft has shown with the Xbox that it can take games from the leader (Sony) and bring them to its platform.

Now, I know this is an Apple fansite but from what I see out in the rest of the world... the ZuneHD really does have a chance. What are your thoughts... people really expected more.

The Zune, technically speaking, is a better device (outputs 720p video so hooking it up to your HD flat panel and watching the movies you downloaded/rented is sweet) and the games will be a bit better with the powerful GPU included in the Tegra BUT, and with a lot of "been there before feeling", can the Zune really make it in the market. Before succumbing to the iPod world, I had a 1st gen Zune and was the only idiot around searching for other Zunester's to network with. Who knows how this will pan out. Apple still holds 75% market share so it will be tough for MS. And you can stream all the FM/HD radio stations anyway on the iPhone/Touch via one of the internet radio aggregation services such as vTuner or WunderRadio. Check out iHeart radio app which has a new artist streams from Weezer.
post #188 of 259
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Originally Posted by Undo Redo View Post

Didn't the 8GB 2g touch have a volume control? Apparently it's gone today along with the remote.

?? Please explain.
post #189 of 259
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Originally Posted by Olternaut View Post

It can't be the thinness. Because they added a video camera to the nano didn't they? Which is a surprise to me by the way....I thought it was only going to be a still camera for the nano. On a side note, this new nano should really put a dent into the Flip sales.

Except it's only a 640x480 video-only camera. It can't even take still photos based on Apple's web pages (and who'd want that at that low resolution anyway). Adding a low-res camera in something as thin as the nano is probably no big deal. But a higher quality, higher resolution camera is likely a bit bigger module (little bit bigger sensor and bigger lens needing more distance between the lens and the sensor to focus properly = thicker case). So it is possible that thinness was an issue for the touch.
post #190 of 259
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

Except it's only a 640x480 video-only camera. It can't even take still photos based on Apple's web pages (and who'd want that at that low resolution anyway). Adding a low-res camera in something as thin as the nano is probably no big deal. But a higher quality, higher resolution camera is likely a bit bigger module (little bit bigger sensor and bigger lens needing more distance between the lens and the sensor to focus properly = thicker case). So it is possible that thinness was an issue for the touch.

Yes I've just recently learned this after I made that post. I'm STILL shaking my head over that one. But according to Mr. Jobs in the Pogue interview, the reason for the nano not being able to take pictures was indeed because the sensor needed for taking auto-focused pictures would be too thick to fit into the nano casing.

Whatever. Would it have killed Jobs to have an ipod touch that was just a tad thicker? I be we're talking millimeters aren't we?
post #191 of 259
I wanted to buy a touch today but this product feels like a stop gap to the real touch that will come out with the next iteration.

Either lies about the real reason or just disdain for their customers. I am a devoted Apple fan but I think they are just holding out on users and hope they get some real competition to force them to treat their customers with a little respect. This update is simply an insult.

There was a real opportunity to have everyone going into the holiday season with a sense of excitement, now all they have created is a big sense of disappointment. Kind of a shame.
post #192 of 259
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Originally Posted by Olternaut View Post

?? Please explain.

Could be my misunderstanding. When you look at the tech specs for the 8GB vs. 32/64GB touches, volume control isn't listed for the 8GB but is for the 32/64. Link
post #193 of 259
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Originally Posted by macnyc View Post

You're absolutely right, that's why they've sold 20 million of them...

I am sorry you do not have the cognitive function to understand what i was saying.
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post #194 of 259
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Originally Posted by thebg View Post

Without buttons this cannot be a successful "gaming" device. It will just be a device that plays games.

Right...and there is no way that a phone without a physical keyboard could possibly be successful...oh...wait...

I understand the frustration with the iPod Touch not getting a camera. On this forum (and probably many of the people we're connected with) it is a big deal. However, I would guess that the Nano has a much larger user base and a larger possibility for additional income during the holiday season. I would tend to agree with others who are conjecturing that the "new" iPod Touch will be related to whatever the touch line will be.

We all need to remember that the people on this forum represent a very SMALL percentage of the millions of iPod users on the planet and we have limited insight into Apple's marketing research. I think the stock price speaks volumes considering our current world economic situation.
post #195 of 259
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

The bullshit rumors never said the Classic would get a camera! Who the hell listens to FM? Can't believe you fell for a rumor that never existed!

I cant believe you have scorned somebody for believing in a false rumor without even doing a cursory check about the rumors.

Lets try

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/08/27/rumor...-get-a-camera/

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/08...-get-a-camera/

http://topnews.us/content/26772-digi...g-ipod-classic

Perhaps a Google 101 course is in order?
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post #196 of 259
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Give me a break. You are the moron for believing the rumor sites! They don't want the Touch to tap into iPhone sales. If you want a camera in the iPod Touch, buy an iPhone. Since you don't have an iPhone, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You are reading posts on a message board. I have no problem with AT&T and I get great service in Los Angeles. All my friends with iPhones have great service too, both originals and 3G's. Apple did not drop the ball, you were the idiot that believed the rumors would be true!

Let's see, the 32GB iPhone 3GS is 2.6 times more expensive than 32GB iPod touch, if they don't want it to 'tap' into sales, don't you think they would drop the price of the phone a little?
post #197 of 259
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Here is come compelling information as to why the Touch didnt get a camera, but take it with a grain of salt.


Q You put a camcorder on the iPod Nano. Why not on the iPod Touch?

A Originally, we werent exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine. Because a lot of the games were free on the store. Customers started to tell us, You dont know what youve got here its a great game machine, with the multitouch screen, the accelerometer, and so on.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is its the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We dont need to add new stuff we need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...wt=nytimesbits

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Originally Posted by Olternaut View Post

Yes I've just recently learned this after I made that post. I'm STILL shaking my head over that one. But according to Mr. Jobs in the Pogue interview, the reason for the nano not being able to take pictures was indeed because the sensor needed for taking auto-focused pictures would be too thick to fit into the nano casing.

Whatever. Would it have killed Jobs to have an ipod touch that was just a tad thicker? I be we're talking millimeters aren't we?

Just in cast folks didn't follow the link to the interview, here is the quote Olternaut is referring to in the Jobs/Pogue interview. Basically confirming my suspicion when the rumor of "technical problems" first came out:
Q. How come the Nano can now record video, but cant take stills?

A. The sensors for doing video are fairly thin. The sensors for doing a still camera, at much higher pixel resolution and wed really like to have autofocus they are just way too thick to ever fit inside the Nano. The touch is thicker than the nano, but not as thick as the iPhone, especially near the edges. Apple could have maybe put a camera in there, but perhaps not as high a resolution and not an autofocus camera like the iPhone. And we would have all probably cried foul if they put a lower-res, non-autofocus camera in the touch, complaining that it wasn't as good as the iPhone's.
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

I cant believe you have scorned somebody for believing in a false rumor without even doing a cursory check about the rumors.

Lets try

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/08/27/rumor...-get-a-camera/

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/08...-get-a-camera/

http://topnews.us/content/26772-digi...g-ipod-classic

Perhaps a Google 101 course is in order?

The problem is that people shouldn't be hanging so much hope on rumors. All the stories you linked had the word rumor in the link, in the headline and in the text. I think that should be enough of a hint that it might not be real.
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Originally Posted by macnyc View Post

You're absolutely right, that's why they've sold 20 million of them...

So there are 50 million iPhones, and iPod touchs, 1.8 billion downloads, does that mean on average that users of these devices have downloaded 36 applications each?
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

I am sorry you do not have the cognitive function to understand what i was saying.

I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to express yourself properly, based on the way you write, it would seem that english is not your first language.
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