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post #41 of 107
9/9/09 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

It takes photos and 640x480 videos. Kind of a half-baked solution to fend off camera phones and the new generation of tiny video cameras. Still, I think they'll convince many people to buy the nano instead of the touch now... analysts, start your downgrades.

Do you have any link that supports this? I'm really interested, thanks :P
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post #42 of 107
9/9/09 at 12:38pm
A pure toy- I'll pass. Sounds like something made in Taiwan from JVC in the 80's. Too many bells and whistles.
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post #43 of 107
9/9/09 at 12:38pm
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Ahem...not everybody listens to music on a Radio.

Would be nice to include a Sirius receiver, instead, complete with iTunes tagging and live pause. Now, THAT would be sweet and worth another $50.
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post #44 of 107
9/9/09 at 12:41pm
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Do you have any link that supports this? I'm really interested, thanks :P

Video is just 30 still frames a second. It wouldn’t be hard to grab a still frame, but at only 0.3Mbps it’s not very good by any measure for a still frame. Take the iPhone 3GS for example, it can do 3Mpx stills or 640x480 (0.3Mpx) video. I’d think that they would have told us if it can do still a decent still image.
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post #45 of 107
9/9/09 at 12:41pm
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Who cares about FM radio? The music on radio is awful. It's just the same songs being played everyday year after year. Now that you can buy used CDs for so little why bother with radio at all?

Maybe where you live. In my hometown (Seattle), we have several commercial-free stations playing great music. One of them (KEXP) has regular live in-studio sessions, many with artists passing through town for a series of shows. They're a fantastic source for finding out about new music I've never heard before (and would absolutely never hear on commercial radio) -- stuff that I'll often then buy so I can listen to it on my iPod.

Furthermore, an FM tuner would let me listen to the news (NPR) on my walk to work -- which is a lot easier than screwing around syncing my iPod before heading out the door so I can listen to already-outdated news podcasts.

Chill... an extra feature that a few of us will enjoy won't kill you.
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post #46 of 107
9/9/09 at 12:45pm
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Would be nice to include a Sirius receiver, instead, complete with iTunes tagging and live pause. Now, THAT would be sweet and worth another $50.

That would be great for me. Id buy it, but I dont think well be seeing it anytime soon. I think the technology is too large, too costly, too power inefficient, and there arent enough people who make the engineering worthwhile. Maybe a proper attachment that fits the Touch/iPhone as Apple only needs to sell them the license.
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post #47 of 107
9/9/09 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post

This is awesome - but I have a question.

I'm a grad student that happens to have a conflict in my class schedule; I have to leave a stats class 20 minutes early to get to a lecture I proctor. I was going to buy a Flip camera to record the missing part of the class I have to leave (Actually, I was going to record the entire thing. But the lecture is 1:20 long, and I want to record the whole thing, not just the last 20 minutes. I've worked this all out; a friend will bring the camera to me after class).

ANYWAY, my questions:

- What is the maximum length of a video recording? I want to let it roll for more than 80 minutes.

- Can it use an external microphone for better sound quality?

- Are there going to be tripod-like accessories? I would love one to prop this on a school desk as I take notes.

Jeepers.

Cant. Believe. This.

Either you're joking, or ... well I can't say that I guess.

You really expect tripod compatibility, and all that other stuff out of a $150 iPod the size of a box of matches? Get a clue.

Or re-set your ridiculous expectations or something.

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post #48 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Jeepers.

Cant. Believe. This.

Either you're joking, or ... well I can't say that I guess.

You really expect tripod compatibility, and all that other stuff out of a $150 iPod the size of a box of matches? Get a clue.

Or re-set your ridiculous expectations or something.

Umm... he said tripod like. His question is whether or not third party manufacturers will create a tripod for the nano, not whether or not it can be connected to existing tripods. My answer would be, they will if the demand is there. I don't think there will be much demand for that, so that accessory probably wont exist. You could create your own by fastening a dock connector to a tripod like device. The other questions about the maximum recording length and microphone compatibility are also valid.
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post #49 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:10pm
I've been looking for an FM recorder, would the Nano now have that capability?
I attend conferences which they transmit on local FM and I record for later review.
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post #50 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:20pm
Well that was an anticlimax.

The radio is FM because these things are sold world wide and I don't think Digiital or Sat based radio standards are universal.

I bet they identify the songs on the FM radio in a simmilar way Samsung do it on the S8000 jet phone

http://www.gracenote.com/business_so...s/mobileMusic/

Speaking of the Jet, this is where Apple should be with their video tech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqD6c39wBG4

Still nothing from Apple I want to buy.
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post #51 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:21pm
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I've been looking for an FM recorder, would the Nano now have that capability?
I attend conferences which they transmit on local FM and I record for later review.

Kind of, it has 15 minutes of live pause. I think that its only a time shift that cant be more than 15 minutes. You might have to buy a cable to have it output to a digital recorder. Not exactly an ideal scenario, but at least you wont get any background noise if you go from line out on the Nano to line in on the digital recorder.
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post #52 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:22pm
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I've been looking for an FM recorder, would the Nano now have that capability?
I attend conferences which they transmit on local FM and I record for later review.

Samsung S8000 jet phone will do that for you, has a nice AMOLED touch screen also.
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post #53 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:41pm
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The built-in pedometer alerts you to how close a pedophile is. Oh, and BTW - you don't need Nike shoes ... you just need to find your own way to attach the device to your shoes.

Funny how those two words are so close in appearance, but from different language origins and meanings.


Pedophile = from the British

Pedometer = from the French pédomètre, from Latin pes, ped- foot.



But a pedophile proximity detector in a iPod would make parents run and buy a iPod. Only thing is something has to be tagged to the pedophile, perhaps cramming a nike sensor up their left nostril?
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post #54 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:45pm
From Engadget Video: The FM Radio requires the headphones to be plugged in as they act as the antenna; also confirms no still pictures and no FM recording.
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post #55 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:46pm
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I've been looking for an FM recorder, would the Nano now have that capability?
I attend conferences which they transmit on local FM and I record for later review.

Just get a cable with two male stereo mini plugs and use any recorder you want from any FM device you want.

If the recorder only records in mono, you'll need a stereo mini mono adapter.
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post #56 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Funny how those two words are so close in appearance, but from different language origins and meanings.


Pedophile = from the British

Pedometer = from the French pédomètre, from Latin pes, ped- foot.

The British spelling would more usually be paedophile - from Greek pais, paid- child, boy.
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post #57 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Flip completely kills the Nano in any video capabilities, but there just isnt much you can do with such a thin device. Im sure they dont expect it to kill the Flip HDs that do 720p, but they liekly expect people to find a good enough solution since it also includes an iPod.

This comment is exactly on the money! Flickr was inundated with photos from the iPhone despite it being only 2Mp. This device is going to likewise revolutionize YouTube as well as family movies. Being able to whip out a tiny little thing that takes 640x480 video of the kid doing that cute thing is WAAAAY nicer than having to carry around another device just to get it up to 720p. The camera you have with you is always higher quality than the one you left behind.
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post #58 of 107
9/9/09 at 1:55pm
I wonder if the radio has a buy-this-song link into iTunes. Actually, I thought this was where genius was going to go next, with iTunes dropping in some free full-song tracks based on genius, that you could listen to once and click a button to add it to your downloads queue. I'm sure the labels would get enough buys to risk the free listens and it's much more active marketing than the genius sidebar. ( The same could work for podcasts, creating a radio experience, without the power/reception issues around radio, based on your library and genius database - custom radio ).

( Oh yeah - I just read on the Apple website how the radio lets you tag the songs to be reviewed in iTunes. Not bad. )

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post #59 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

This comment is exactly on the money! Flickr was inundated with photos from the iPhone despite it being only 2Mp. This device is going to likewise revolutionize YouTube as well as family movies. Being able to whip out a tiny little thing that takes 640x480 video of the kid doing that cute thing is WAAAAY nicer than having to carry around another device just to get it up to 720p. The camera you have with you is always higher quality than the one you left behind.

For those spur-of-the-moment photos and videos I think Apple should consider a quick start feature using the hardware buttons. Often I miss the moment fiddling with the button, then unlock, then swipe, then wait for the app to go active. I even missed taking an evidence photo of an accident because of this. Maybe the app could be in memory by default, start recording before you hit the button and have a hardware record button combo ( double click home to snap, triple click to record ).

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post #60 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:20pm
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Would be nice to include a Sirius receiver, instead, complete with iTunes tagging and live pause. Now, THAT would be sweet and worth another $50.

yeah. right. i can hear the whining already... waaaah... apple forces me to pay a monthly fee to sirius... waaaaah!
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post #61 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:21pm
can someone please explain me why i would want a cam on a device made to listen to music when every standard consumer mobile phone has one with better image capture?

i work at a automobile factory, a place with several security restrictions, among them NO CAMERAS! i can't take my usual mobile phone with me, i use a cheap old one instead. but i do carry with me my ipod nano to listen to music (no net radio streaming allowed either!). now, thanks to this no brain move, if i happen to loose my nano or damage it, i will have to buy what? a ipod touch?, an ipod classic which costs double the amount of the nano? or the useless ipod shuffle?

there's some sort of thought school that thinks that every device has to be multipurpose. why ? how many multipurpose devices do we need to have? i would guess one (the mobile phone wit cam, video, net connectivty and etc) and a couple of other specific , objective oriented and lean devices to what ever purpose we care for. i don't want a music listening device that takes pics, present recipes, connects to youtube, and etc etc . my mobile does those. i just want on to listen. like i won't want a e-ink reader with wifi, multitouch screen, and bla bla bla. i just want a device that allows me to read books with the least weight, most battery life, less cost and objective functioning.
can i have a nano without a camera now please?
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post #62 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Curious to see the quality of the pix and video, but those video specs are a little behind the curve considering all of the new tiny HD cameras that have been coming out from Sony, Kodak, et al, to compete with the Flip.

Nano is a media player first, I don't know if it's meant to compete against the Flip-type devices. Flip doesn't appear to offer anything that plays music. As it is, Nano was a pretty nice, very compact device, and a little video recorder is a nifty little bonus. The flips that I've seen seem pretty bulky compared to a nano. I wonder how many people would use the video recorder though.

I'm surprised people don't mind the fact that the flip-type devices doen't offer any zoom. It seems like there are point and shoot cameras in that range that offer high-def video too.

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I do like the fact they finally, FINALLY included a stinkin' FM radio. Scandalous.

Now we'll see if it's any good. I had an FM-capable media player at one time and its reception was sad at best.

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Also, why is the green nano a different size? The screen is smaller, and the height is different? Huh?

It is weird.
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post #63 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:36pm
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Also, why is the green nano a different size? The screen is smaller, and the height is different? Huh?

Looks like an old pic was kept by accident. They replaced the image not create a new image link when you open up each image separately. Notice the anodized colour and shading of the green iPod. If you click on the Select button you see the correct green colour and shading on the next page, though its showing the back. Just a mistake.
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post #64 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Is this the same camera as the iPhone? That's better than a Flip?

say good bye flip
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post #65 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by MissionGrey View Post

"They won't add a camera"

No, they add a video camera and FM radio!!!

And now for Microsoft reply.

Maybe they'd tell the idiot Apple fanboy that doesn't know what he's talking that the Zune has had a radio tuner since launch and that the next version has an HD Radio Tuner.
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post #66 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

A pure toy- I'll pass. Sounds like something made in Taiwan from JVC in the 80's. Too many bells and whistles.

dude its fun fun fun
thats all

while having a music player you can play fm radio maybe record some video ON THE SPUR while out with friends
OR when some one commits a crime or stupid act you are ready !!!

you buy the new nano as a great ipod
THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE SOME COOL EXTRAS

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post #67 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by macshark View Post

How do they do iTunes tagging with regular FM radio? If they are tuning into the HD signal to get the album/artist info but playing the regular FM signal, that would be lame...

Google FM RDS and all will be revieled....
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post #68 of 107
9/9/09 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by mavfan1 View Post

I don't think this is going to take any bite out of the flip market and I shake my head when Apple tries to compare prices. Not because I think Apple is overpriced, but because you can find everyone else's stuff for a nice discount off the MSRP. There's a 8 gb flip on amazon for $161 shipped that shoots 720p and has an HDMI out.

1) The Flip doesn't have an iPod built in
2) I'm far more likely to have an iPod (or iPhone) with me then a dedicated video recorder

Price, quality and everything else don't matter if I don't have it with me to actually use it....
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post #69 of 107
9/9/09 at 3:01pm
Am I the only person who would rather have AM radio than FM? AM is news and sports, FM is just music, and an iPod already has music.
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post #70 of 107
9/9/09 at 3:44pm
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dude its fun fun fun
thats all

while having a music player you can play fm radio maybe record some video ON THE SPUR while out with friends
OR when some one commits a crime or stupid act you are ready !!!

you buy the new nano as a great ipod
THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE SOME COOL EXTRAS

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Dude, but I already have a Touch- 'The funnest iPod evah"!
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post #71 of 107
9/9/09 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

say good bye flip

I have a hamburger joint down the street where I work called Flip. Great burgers - don't say that
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post #72 of 107
9/9/09 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

The built-in pedometer alerts you to how close a pedophile is. Oh, and BTW - you don't need Nike shoes ... you just need to find your own way to attach the device to your shoes.

No -you just attached the Nano to your shoes and shoot videos up dresses.
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post #73 of 107
9/9/09 at 4:22pm
It annoys me that Apple wont allow me to take video on my iphone 3g! Apple are obviously not worried about the quality or they would've not released the kind of camera in the nano.
Sad day for old Apple, showing the arrogance of a market leader.
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post #74 of 107
9/9/09 at 4:26pm
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It annoys me that Apple wont allow me take video on my iphone 3g! Apple are obviously not worried about the quality or they would not have released the kind of camera in the nano.
Sad day for old Apple, showing the arrogance of a market leader.

In what way? The Nano and 3GS both do 640x480 video. The 3G has been shown repeatedly that it cant do video at 30fps nor at a resolution that eve nears 640x480 despite having a 2Mpx camera. Is the 3G HW more powerful than the Nano? Absolutely, but the OS in the 3G is considerably more resource hungry which has a very real affect on what other HW can use.
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post #75 of 107
9/9/09 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

In what way? The Nano and 3GS both do 640x480 video. The 3G has been shown repeatedly that it cant do video at 30fps nor at a resolution that eve nears 640x480 despite having a 2Mpx camera. Is the 3G HW more powerful than the Nano? Absolutely, but the OS in the 3G is considerably more resource hungry which has a very real affect on what other HW can use.

Ahh excellent! I dont feel so cheated now you have satisfied my curiosity on the matter.
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post #76 of 107
9/9/09 at 4:44pm
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Ahh excellent! I dont feel so cheated now you have satisfied my curiosity on the matter.

To be more specific, Cycorder was the most poplar app that was available to jailbroken iPhones. Because it is technically possible to add a video camera in the loosest sense people thought Apple was screwing their customers. However, the resolution is 384x288 or 0.1Mpx and a maximum of 15fps in good lighting and as low as 6fps in bad lighting. That sucks in every way! I imagine Apple could have done better than that but 640x480 with 30fps is pretty much the minimum these days, but I think Cycorder also has to up the processing speed to achieve the weak results it gets. I do give them credit for their work, but it’s just not something the average consumer would be happy with. I think the real change came with hardware acceleration on the 3GS, and likely on the new Nano to allow for this recording in H.264. Heck, Apple just added video to the Nano and people are complaining that it doesn’t do stills and that it doesn’t do HD video.

— http://cydia.saurik.com/info/cycorder/
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9/9/09 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Looks like an old pic was kept by accident. They replaced the image not create a new image link when you open up each image separately. Notice the anodized colour and shading of the green iPod. If you click on the Select button you see the correct green colour and shading on the next page, though its showing the back. Just a mistake.

Yep, they finally changed it. Shoulda kept a screen cap for posterity.

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post #78 of 107
9/9/09 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Funny how those two words are so close in appearance, but from different language origins and meanings.


Pedophile = from the British

Pedometer = from the French pédomètre, from Latin pes, ped- foot.



But a pedophile proximity detector in a iPod would make parents run and buy a iPod. Only thing is something has to be tagged to the pedophile, perhaps cramming a nike sensor up their left nostril?

i had the same exact thought
pedo catcher
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9/9/09 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Dude, but I already have a Touch- 'The funnest iPod evah"!

but this is 3am sexy bar hop french girls in maids outfits fun
you whip out your nano and soothe them with your f m music and film them being french
fun
a tinie tiny toy that is the most dangerous device.ever .
in nyc we see all kinds of hideous crimes and odd acts of weirdness
and since nyc buys most of the nanos anyway we can now film the underside of gotham;s dark world
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9/9/09 at 5:09pm
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I have a hamburger joint down the street where I work called Flip. Great burgers - don't say that

sorry

best burger in nyc is by jane street
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