Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
Have you been to China? These seizures and reports are for foreigners to satisfy them that something is being done. Like I said before, China is the biggest shell game in the world. What one hand giveth, the other taketh away.
Originally Posted by Maestro64
No, I have not been to India, and personally I would not go there and for only one reason, because of the cast system that exist there, the poor will always stay poor and rich will do everything they can do to keep them poor. Do not tell me it does not happen my wife spent a month there on two occasions, once in Deli and the other in your home town and what she witness was horrible and she will never go back and she has traveled to many places enjoys learning about the culture and did spend time with locals learning about the culture it was the worse experience she had because the way people are treated
My personal opinion about India they will never be truly successful because of the cast system that exist. A country can not grow unless everyone in the country has the right to succeed the Indian cast system does not allow this.
Now back to the point here, Asian businesses steal ideals, products and content all the time and sell it as their own. I been to these country you mention and see it all the time people right out in the open selling knockoff or exact duplicate of products made by US and European companies as well an Japanese companies. I even seen where they are sell the US companies products and just remove the trade name. These are no knock off they are the exact product most like made in the exact factory the US company use to build their product and this factory makes extras and sells it themselves. They have no problem doing it, Yes the governments cracks down on it only is a jester to show the world they are trying to control it.
Also if China did not promote these activities why do they have a Mall in Shenzhen which is call the Fake Mall which I personally saw when I was there, it sell nothing but good which are exact knock off made by other companies in other countries. They sell products which are design in the US and the copied and manufacture in China.
I'll give you another good example of knocking of a design, look at the Hyundai Entourage minivan, it almost an exact knock off of the Ford Windstar, it actually uses some of the same designs of parts, and no Ford and Hyundai do not have deal. Hyundai just copied it. So yes Hyundai is becoming a successful car company not because they figured out how to design a better car they just took every other car companies ideas and used it as their own.
Again if you talk to the people from companies or countries they do not see a problem with this, they do not see a problem making money off other people's idea. This is fundamental cultural difference in these countries and the US.
I will give China some credit, they do allow US product to be sold in their country, I saw people driving around US design cars, can't say whether they were actually made in the US or not but people were driving them around. Also saw other real US products, which I know are manufactured in China, but they had the company name on them and were being used and sold at the US market price for those items.
I would not say people in the US do not pirate music and videos, but this is mostly limited to kids and a small population, but Apple has shown if you provide people a better model that will not copy electronic content, thus the reason they had 8.5B downloads. What you do not see in the US is wholesale copying of other companies ideas and selling and marketing them as their own. Yes might see a a few people on the streets of NYC selling a knock off purse, but you do not see US companies making knock off products and putting them into the market place.
So before you go off and tell me I have no idea what I am talking about or my facts are old, I have first hand knowledge and experience and just because you found some government propaganda saying these countries are doing everything they can to stop this you better open your eyes and look around. I would say start with your own country, Since i know that India was one of the largest user of Cracked iphones when only AT&T was selling them. My wife said she work with a number of people there who all had iphone, I wonder how they got them.
Originally Posted by Maestro64
Well this is true, a family friend from Germany works for UBS banking and investments and he deals with mainly Indian clients and he said it all secret and you never know who the client is they only deal through account numbers and such.
Again it is the rich doing what every they can to make sure the low cast can not get a leg up in the world.
Firstly stop your ranting because, I am not Indian and work as expat in India. So you ranting about look at my own country is completely off the chart. I love India because the poor and rich live together in harmony majority of the time. You can see this very prominently in Mumbai. I am not looked at in inferior way as I was when working in USA.
Secondly the cast system is practiced more in villages/country areas, then in Metro cities and not sure where your wife was but I have lived here for a year and the cast system is nothing like what it was 10 years, when I was working in India before. Th cast system is not stopping India from growing, since it shown better growth then USA and majority of 'developed' countries in the economic climate of late 2007 until now.
The cast system is dying out and people respect people if they are hard working and have ambition. I am not saying the cast system is non-existent, but it is being seen as negative thought by many people in India. The villages/countryside people keep it more, but ever the young in such areas are less focused on cast system.
As for cracked iphones, may people are proud of their possessions and you would not see a cracked iphones being sold in shops. If you are talking jailbreaked iphones, so your wife worked with group of say hundred or thousand people and that makes India largest place to found jailbreaked iphones, interesting argument.
Lastly I will take a bet with you that cast system will become non-existent in India faster than removal of racism from USA.
If you live in a Glass House, Do not throw stones!
I lived in USA for 5 years, I was in a senior position in TOP 5 Pharma company and my motto has always been to work hard and ignore racism, bitter people, but my experience in a 'developed country like USA was unbelievable.
Mittel Steel and Ambani brothers, you may want to look up their background, since they all came from very poor start.
When you have actually lived in a place for a LONG time, then you can make comments, but make sure you looking at your OWN country first!
P.S. Take a trip to SOUTH Alabama, but racism is more open there, since in NorthEast USA e.g. NY, PA, New Jersey and Maryland it is people hiding in closet being racist, which is worst.
I try take the best from every country, since there is no country in the world that does not have some major issues to resolve.